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Except in this case the correct metaphor would be; Bad Actor Figured out how to roll the odometer back then sends vehicle back to the auto company where they auto company performs the work of rolling it back. Thus a Civil suit against the Auto Company for gross negligence at the very least, could easily make it into a courtroom. Of course the Auto Industry is Regulated, Collectible grading is not, thus somewhat apples to oranges.

I could definitively see the following books for example taking hits unless they are in a Gen 1 or Gen 2 slab: ASM 238 All Newsstand versions ASM 252 All Newsstand versions ASM 300 All Newsstand versions Hulk 181 Regular and Mark Jewelers Hulk 340 All Newsstand versions New Mutants 98 All Newsstand versions Feel free to add to above list. Sadly folks like me who have clean self-submitted books on the list would be hurt as well in event we go to sell. CGC's parent company has less than zero care with aftermarket sales, unless it's book they can brag about on their Home page like Detective 27 or Amazing Fantasy 15. It's important to remember this is a pump and dump by Blackstone. IF profits trend down below what ever their already determined threshold they will simply sell off CGC.

While you are correct that it should occur, 1-6 ain't never happening. #5 IRS? The scammer is getting their paypouts from services that report, at least eBay and Paypal do, thus IRS could not care less how the income is made as long as they get every single cent of their money. As for 7, and as much as it pains for me to say this would not have occurred with their current slabs.

yeps, I've been saying pretty much that all thread. Next Fish-In-A-Barrel Prediction: Zero response from CGC this current week, the week of Dec 24, 2023

4 Decades of experience with Comic Dealers, Flippers and Speculators makes my tongue in cheek comment well within plausible range. The cries of "It's a Newsstand baby" from those folks tonight will drown out Santa...

They are trying to dump the books on rubes via Social Media. Likely at just below "FMV" and accepting Friends n Family only type payments. on a different note I do wonder if Borack is chuckling over this?

Agreed! Shareholders have the right to be very very pissed! Gunn needed to keep his big gob shut until early Jan 2024. Zaslov also to blame for not reigning him in. Shareholders and the board will now need pound or 2 of flesh...If Gunn fails to produce a HUGE revenue generator from the get-go seems like he's whom the TWD Board will target. They may very well be sharpening their axes... P.S. Reasons aside, fact is; Having been employed by TWD the entirety of this year, the only studio Gunn actually made money for in 2023 was Disney!

Sad to hear that you got taken in, but glad you are coming forth!

I like your thinking, however the chances of that are less than 0

Plot doth thicken..extending to the #2 career NFL passing touchdowns leader

Zero chance, It's actually a measured and ensured revenue stream for them. The eBay exec's who collect 7 and 8 figure bonus' however can and will strong-arm, threaten and haress any they have reason to believe will affect a single penny of those bonus'; https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex-ebay-exec-heading-prison-harassing-couple-behind-newsletter-2022-09-29/ Two former eBay Inc (EBAY.O) executives were sentenced to prison on Thursday for carrying out a campaign to harass and intimidate a Massachusetts couple through threats and disturbing home deliveries after their online newsletter drew the ire of eBay's then-CEO. Jim Baugh and David Harville were sentenced to 57 and 24 months in prison, respectively, for their roles in an extensive harassment campaign that involved sending the couple cockroaches, a funeral wreath and a bloody Halloween pig mask. U.S. District Judge Saris, who imposed the sentences during hearings in Boston, called it a "hard-to-imagine" scheme fueled by a "toxic culture" at the Silicon Valley e-commerce company.

Given there is ZERO QC totally agreed. Thats 2 times in 2 days, end of world is nigh... If the issue in this thread is ever even addressed by CGC, and I still thinking it won't be, the simplest solution that ultimately increases their revenue without additional expense is no more mutants re-holders, re-submissions only. IMHO logically we are barely in tip of the iceberg territory.

This was not from Vane's collection. Vane's was a Direct Sale. This one is a Newsstand. Love the Andru/Giordano art on the Villains on both front and back covers

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Sadly I know many people who think that's good rating

A CGC re-verification submission offering at same cost as regular subs. CGC win$ again eBay could enact same Verification Program as they do Trading Cards but that will only push the bad actors elsewhere. Stefan, seem you'll need to stay away from the common books used in the scam. IMHO the Day of DC Digests has now arrived

That brings up an interesting question @ThothAmon is it a crime, that you know of, if ultimately you sell a fraudulent item to yourself?

It's a 9.4 at absolute best. Certain books attract a certain "uneducated" in Comics crowd. Precisely the rubes the scammers target.

Correct or an inside person doing various sundry and possibly haphazard manipulations... Folks the single most important thing to recognize is that all the Gold Key/Western Comics in my current signature were submitted by me. To avoid them ever from falling into the hands of scammer. When the sad time comes they will all be cremated with me. Rest assured folks there will be no switcheroos with my Little Stooges books.

Cert numbers are in effect generated the day the submissions Electronic Form is filled out. I for one have done it as much as 2 months prior to a con in my prep for dropping books off. Example in 2021; I filled out the on-line forms in August but did not drop them off until Oct at NYCC. Those books had much lower cert numbers than the ones on forms I filled out early in Oct 2021. Not a stretch to think the the perp was merely lining all ducks in a row and filling out the paperwork in advance -- especially given the scam was a proven & predictable thing by then. Was it smart? Probably not, but their ilk becomes more and more brazen when they feel assured they will get away with their acts. Simply criminal and human nature.

Based on the Comics being ones continually targeted by Speculators and Flippers it's highly logical that they have. Probably impossible that it has not already occurred. Just a matter of digging up the bones.

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Seems CGC has just tested best way out of this mess without responding

Truly a sound idea! Although the lines might be hundreds or thousands long.

This is 100% correct. We are actually in full agreement. "Historic" first ? The scammer(s) identified the sweet spot of supply, demand, value threshold and those who primarily look at label/flip and not the book. You should have been playing the great game in your avatar (via MAME or the like), it would have been more productive.