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Highly suspect.

Random sampling of my NOT pressed Moderns from 2021, WW242 was a back issue purchase as it's from before my time. The exact Action #1 reprint pictured was one I had placed in 2 Four mil mylars (1 standard, 1 mag) and hung on the wall of my childhood basement "comic book room" from 1988-1996. The room had no windows. All these samples like most of the raw books I sought out have unblemished spines with flat glossy front covers. A perfect/near perfect spine always went a long way in my eyes...While all these have nice "wraps" that was something I really never was concerned with - still ain't. What is interesting is how many different way people collect a books regardless of technical grade Please note the bowing effect on the right edge is common for my scans of the newer CGC slabs, not sure why...

I keep careful notes of what I send to CGC that included my estimated grade In Mar-Sept 2021 I submitted 110 Modern Tier Books (most were 1979-1987) to CGC. I have thus far received 64 back. Of the 64, 54 were books I purchased raw myself when they were newly on-sale. None of the 64 books was pressed. Of the 64, 59 received CGC 9.8. To break down further; 4 book I felt were 9.6 received 9.8's , and 5 book's I thought would be 9.8's were lower 2 by a lot Of those 1 would have received higher if pressed due to a noted ripple. 1 was mention had a stain on back so pressing would not have helped. 2 had tiny rub's with some color loss that I can see in my before scans but somehow missed or i would not have submitted. 1 book was damaged during encapsulation by CGC These numbers were consistent with my past submissions except for the one CGC damaged. What this means to me is I appear to know pretty much what will get a 9.8 and what will not. Also that I tended to not purchase any book that was less than optimum condition. Sadly purchasing (new and back issues) only what i thought were perfect books I know prevented me from owning what today would be Bronze and Silver keys in 9.2-9.6... So point of my post is pressed or NOT pressed if the book merits it CGC does give out 9.8's. Unlike PSA who now depending on age of card only gives out 9's and 10's through census based quota's and pretty much only to their their largest customers. For average submitter 8 is the new 10 and 7 the new 9 and they simply attribute all to invisible "spider-wrinkles"

Sorry and sad to hear what happened to the OP. Situations like this are what grading/slabbing of comics was in effect created to prevent. What I don't think was envisioned when grading was being proposed in the late 90's was the slabbed book costing many multiples of raw. I seem to recall from back then the prevailing thought was a graded book would cost approx the raw price + the fees associated with the grading.

"Breakin' Rocks In The Hot Sun"

8.0/8.5 , not sure a C&P will help based on the defects I see. Of course that is based on the pics, so if you see things in hand it may that a C&P will be needed just to ensure the estimated grade based on the pics

As a child I was fan of the 1985 Series. A few months after 6 came out 7 had not appeared. I still recall the owner of my LCS telling me almost no one was buying it and he was stuck with boxes of the first 4 issues. He closed shop in 2019. Guess all those long boxes of "Fists of Konshu" went to the dealer who purchased the name of his business and inventory. Moon Knight probably has had more series' than most have had hot lunches

Folks Moon Knight "Fists of Khonshu" was NOT a limited/mini series. It was on-going and cancelled at issue 6 due to poor sales. Comics Shops had long boxes full of the title that they could not sell. It was supposed to be a "hot" book and simply was not. The first 3-4 issues were ordered heavily then when the shops saw they were barely selling for them cut back their orders to the minimum. Which I think then was 5 or 10 pieces aka low selling DC title numbers.

The back cover of Starslayer 2 is my favorite Stevens Rocketeer piece. When I pull mine out to display in my home office I keep the back facing front. I'd really like to send my slab to CGC for them them have the front of the book be the back of the slab!

Based on the books I sent in 2021 under Modern service level and received back (during Oct, Nov and Dec) all was "normal". There were quite a few of mine that as 9.8's were over $400 but all those were under 400 if 9.6 or lower. Not once did I receive an up-charge. Any book that if graded lower than 9.8W is under $400, should never be up-charged if it grades a 9.8W. Assuming a 9.8W is unrealistic, something I believe CGC has always recognized BTW to charge for a level of service not delivered is tantamount to fraud. CGC is/was smarter than that, is Blackstone?

you make a good point. Take 1977-1980 Marvel for example, I don't think those pages were truly white from the moment that cheap paper was manufactured. Still there must be a metric by publisher and era...?

Here's a question: There is Bronze Age book you you want and in 21 years of CGC only 1 is grade 9.8 and it has OW/W pages. There are several 9.6's with WP. Do you continue to wait (possible rest of your life) for a 9.8 WP or do you grab the 9.8 OW/W? I can tell you I go for the 9.8ow/w every time, but I have collector buddies who prefer to wait forever. I have one such example of the case I described in my current signature. I also do wonder if re-submitted would it get WP? Perhaps? In general I feel pre 2015 CGC was more strict on paper quality. IMHO CGC should sell same comparison strips (or whatever they are called) they use to measure page quality as well as mention what recommended type of lighting and wattage to use. That way remove some of the guessing for those submitting.

Want to hear about WP talk to Bob Storms, I think that guy would take a 8.5 WP over a 9.8OW Book in old school slab I picked raw for $2 in the late 1990's then self submitted. Book in modern slab cost me a lot more that When I view the top, bottom and side of the books through the slabs the pages on the older slab look just as if not more white. Given the older slabs are not as transparently clear as new I do think if I re-submitted the old it would get bump. Since mine encased in only 9.8 in in original CGC slab I'm not going to do that. I've soft spot for the old slab labels. BTW the reason I picked up the new slab is I wanted a copy with WP. P.S. Love the story and cover of this book. My favorite in the Godzilla run. Now if Disney and Toho could get the Avengers and Godzilla to square off in the same feature film I think many heads would explode due to Pop culture overload. My personal collecting rules - I've zero issues with 9.8 ow/w for Silver or Bronze. If book is 1981 or newer then must be WP. For 9.6 WP if book is post 1975, 70-72 OW/W is OK, 73-75 case by case basis, Silver 9.6 OW/W is still fine by me.

Cates may f-around and buy one at 1k. Then hurriedly run to return it after he's told it's not the original 1980's Eclipse printing. For those not in the know: Issue #1 brings my mind back to Aug 1985 every time I see it. Which is both good and bad. Although I have 9.8's just for the memories I probably will submit my childhood copy even though it's 9.4 at best.

Very Nice! I'm quite jelly...

Nitpicking on the 20 year estimate aside, I think most grasp the idea that when prices in general moved to a certain threshold it was a business.

Once art (like covers or splashes) moved from 3 Figure's to 4 Figures 20 years ago it no longer was hobby but a business. We are now in the days where an average non-action Marvel Superhero page from the 70's is 4 Figures and good action pages by B artist approach 5 figures.

Cypto the preferred, if not only accepted "currency's" of Drug Dealers, ARMS Dealers, Income Tax Avoid-ers, Fugitives, Human Traffickers, and Terrorists {These are facts folks easy enough to look up} . Do we now add OCA dealers to that list?

There's plenty of them out there so use them in place of TP

Thanks.

Anyone have any idea why is the title not in Overstreet?

Hopefully with Terrax as herald! Silver Surfer is wayyyyyy too whiny. I mean seriously Surfer, dude you look cool all Silver like and stuff but enough with the whining like a little b already.

(1980) Moon Knight #1 madness? Anyone get the logic behind the one at currently at $1325 with 42bids and 2 others with lower buy-it-nows? All 3 are Direct sale and "wrap" looks to be equal on all and all are in current slabs. Seller feedback on each is 100% $1325 Currently 42 bids https://www.ebay.com/itm/125104132059?hash=item1d20c98fdb:g:N98AAOSwb41h47gu $1250 Buy-it-Now https://www.ebay.com/itm/265411381525?hash=item3dcbc04915:g:~P4AAOSwOrhhlleo $1049 Buy-it-Now https://www.ebay.com/itm/165294617289?hash=item267c53b2c9:g:li8AAOSwiClh6vd- Why pay $1325 or more when one can be had for $1025???

Ditch Eternals and Bring in the FF ! The FF done "right" that is. Eternals from it's first series and all subsequent were boring uninteresting and sometimes unintelligible comics and the film was no different.

I hope many long boxes and it continues. That means not having to read any "wiped off of ebay" posts in this thread for Fist of Khonshu 2 Selling one every 7-10 days would have netted more per book but on mid/upper-mid grade the interest will wane first leaving many unsold. By unloading as many as possible while iron is hot is the best move if it's a large amount of mid/upper-mid grade copies. Bottom line if non high grade copies in bulk a very smart move, if its a handful or 2 then probably much less smart. The more copies the seller holds, the better the strategy. P.S. The shipping charge is insane for a raw 2 figure book. $21.19 + Tax (for most) , the shipping cost will be more than the value of the book in mid grade by time spring ends. I never will understand buying a comic when it's at it hottest. Based on what I see many collect that way. While there is no wrong way to collect it seem less than fiscally sound to me.