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I was enjoying reading comments in here for a time, but I’ve said my peace and could care less now. Once it starts to feel vitriolic to your fellow collectors I’m out. Also it’s just too many pages to keep going through haha. Enjoy the show ya’ll. Will look forward to hearing CGC’s eventual reply, and what happens with this whole situation. Until then, I have 10 books being graded and will be sending more in the coming months. I guess unless the sky falls and people get what they want with no more CGC.

I agree, a cleaning would be in order.

And craziest notion, but there are MANY others of us who exist just as happy enjoying the service CGC provides. Amazing how that works both ways, but I don’t judge the other side 👍. Please, feel free to keep enjoying whatever brings love in your heart in this community. Amazing it can actually go both ways.

You always trust the word of a known fraudster? I take anything that guy says with the tiniest grain of salt until proof is shown.

Literally your explanation just reinforced what I felt you meant 👍. You didn’t change my mind, still feel the elitism in your meaning and tone. No reason to persist, we would not be friends in the world of comics.

On 12/21/2023 at 5:14 PM, Happy Noodle Boy said: That's a highly debatable point. I don't think the hobby would suffer at all if all the grading companies went under. The speculators would leave. Prices would crash. So what? The people who actually like comics beyond their monetary value as collectibles to be bought and flipped will all still be here, buying and reading, and looking at more that just the front and back covers. I’m not saying Happy Noodle’s opinion makes me want to 🤢, but yeah it makes me want to 🤮. Talk about just wanting to see the world burn. Heath ledger’s joker would be soo proud of this guy. And wow, that level of judgement and elitism that people who buy comics for monetary value don’t also enjoy them in other ways. As if those people don’t own raw books as well, or read vintage comics. That’s the kind of vitriol this community should steer away from.

No that certainly also makes sense as a potential scenario. I just think whichever way sees the scammer prosecuted both civilly and criminally, and CGC makes an effort to change the loophole this person found. I mean however those things happen seem like a solid end result.

I’m sure you’re fine 😂

Good questions, everyone definitely waiting with bated breath to discover haha.

By your standard, every grading company should be out of business. If this can happen to CGC, it could have happened to the other grading companies and there isn’t anything to say it hasn’t. To want this to be the end of CGC or any grading company because one person or however many defrauded them is the bummer imop. A lot of people have their livelihoods in CGC. So to want CGC to fail is to want them to fail, friends you may have in this community who have potentially tens or hundreds of thousands in comics or more, now possibly worth a fraction of those amounts if that were to happen. People commit fraud all the time, doesn’t mean a company should close or anyone “should” want them to as you implied. How often do we hear visa or a credit card company experienced a data breach releasing hundreds of thousands of people’s personal info. Isn’t it their job, if not one of the tenants of their company to securely protect our private information? Do we call for visa or all credit card companies to go under because of scammers hacking the company? No. So CGC clearly has some due diligence to do and clean house if need be. There obviously needs to be repercussions for this, and the onus of that should be on the person or persons who perpetrated the scheme, not CGC. The end result for CGC should be a come to Jesus moment where they drastically improve their product and brand. It would also obviously be ideal if the people who purchased books from this huckster were made whole, however possible. I think that should come in the form of a lawsuit against the fraudster. He’s obviously done well for himself.

Yeah I mean scammers truly are the worst, the scum of the scum. If anything and I’m looking at this from a positive stand point, it’s a good thing this happened. It shows our community is extremely observant and looking out for each other. Although I feel horrible for the people that purchased the comics in question. They should be made right, and by suing the seller and recouping all costs.

I agree with your first part, not your second. People will always find a way with literally anything. So by that principle everything in existence is flawed. Nothing will ever be full proof. Doesn’t mean you can’t improve though of course. Which is what CGC needs to do. And if someone figures out a new flaw or loophole than you do it again.

Soo many people want CGC to fail/fold because of this. Just from what I’ve read between YouTube, social media and here. Pretty sad if you ask me. Ultimately, CGC will be fine. This isn’t the first time someone’s defrauded a company, and won’t be last. CGC will figure out what’s going on and handle accordingly. Just like PSA and other prominent collecting companies they’re too imbedded in the industry. There’s also soo many dealers, comic shops and collectors who have millions and millions into graded books. So it’s not in our industry’s interest for CGC to lose their credibility. The only thing that would change my mind is if it became obvious that they were in on it, and I don’t mean one rogue employee but the company as a whole. I’m 100% positive that’s not the case though, just don’t think they would ever do that. I think people need to relax some, wait to get more details and go from there. And whoever this gutter trash is that scammed CGC and the community, there’s a special place in hell for them. I hope they’re publicly shamed, sued and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

CPR?

Never met Roger, but he was seemingly one of the greats! If anyone knew him, would love to hear any stories about him. Message from Heritage: We're all very saddened by the loss of one of the most important historians and collectors the world of comics has ever seen. Our friend Roger Hill passed away on December 6, and we'll miss him greatly, both as an extremely kind, supportive, and generous member of the comics community, as well as for his innumerable contributions to the field over many decades. Roger was a pioneer in the appreciation of EC Comics, notably through the groundbreaking fanzine Squa Tront, which he and his childhood friend Jerry Weist began publishing as teenagers in the 1960s. Roger continued to devote a huge part of his life to the study and collecting of comics and related horror and science-fiction art, conducting crucial research and interviews with innumerable Golden Age comics artists, as well as working alongside Jerry to organize Sotheby's Comic and Comic Art auctions during the 1990s. Notable books by Roger that should be on the shelves of every serious comics fan include Wally Wood: Galaxy Art and Beyond; Reed Crandall: Illustrator of the Comics; Mac Raboy: Master of the Comics; and the newly published The Chillingly Weird Art of Matt Fox. And the latest issue of Roger's EC Fan-Addict Fanzine, his worthy successor to Squa Tront, was just released this fall and is truly one of the finest issues of any fanzine ever published. Our sincere condolences go out to Roger's widow Terry as well as his entire family and many friends. He was a true pal, and one of the all-time greats in this field we're all so passionate about. - Todd Hignite and Jim Halperin

For 2023 I feel like I mainly got silver, but here’s my golden purchases. But don’t own the MM 56 or US version of the Haunted Thrills 5 anymore.

What’s your favorite? Please also share a photo of your favorite issue from all series 🙌. An obvious choice, but I’ll go with Cap 1 for my favorite overall cover. Punching Hitler every time is the best!

Picked up an early Schomburg Subby today from the LCS.

Oh yeah without a doubt. I think we’ve seen enough sales to know the Promise books previously sold on the high end, or just during the comic boom.

So we just need to wait for crypto to recover and back to a sellers market 😁

Good points 👍

Well I don’t think c-link was the culprit though. Pretty sure time and again we’ve seen massive drops on Promise books no matter where they were listed, Heritage or Comicconnect, etc… Since they were put at auction initially at the right time and people ended up paying high for all of them. Now with the down market we’ve had for a while, just about any promise book is taking a hefty hit. But I guess it’s possible it could have been a slightly lesser impact in a Heritage auction. If I bought a Promise copy of something back in 2021, I’d probably just sit and hold on for dear life haha.

That definitely seemed solid.

Tough hit on this one. After fees on the sale and if you paid sales tax on the initial Heritage purchase, about a $40K loss.

Wonder if we’ll ever see it again. I imagine by now it’s been added to a coverless copy.