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Hey Richard... I knew who you were and had your name down??... why'd you post that??

Thanks Mike... back at ya'

Overdue Kudos to Forumites I've Worked With! (and Official KUDOS Thread for ALL) OFFICIAL KUDOS THREAD FOR EVERYONE! It occurred to me that I have not given props to, and acknowledged all the Forum Members that I've done business with recently and going back as well. I can honestly say that we have an abundance of quality collectors/people here that are easy to work with whether buying or selling. A long overdue thanks to all... PLEASE FEEL FREE TO OFFER KUDOS TO ANY FORUMITE YOU'VE DONE BUSINESS WITH RECENTLY AS WELL... [/i] ========================================================= I've had the pleasure of working with these forumites more "recently" and/or "multiple times"... Clint Badberg (JulianXJ)... a passionate fan who wants to read his books and fill runs... incredibly easy to work with and very appreciative for any efforts made on his behalf. Insisted on paying for the undercharge in shipping and I never even brought it up. Carl De la Cruz (Darthdeisel)... Frankly, he's been complimented more than anyone else on these boards, so I don't need to extoll his obvious virtues. Class act all around. Word is as good as gold and a true gentlemen. Matt Gilsdorf (Bonds25)... Its been a little while since our last deal, but I must mention the excellent service I received. I hope to work with him more since we both bid on just about everything worthwhile. Michael Gray (Musicmeta)... a long time eBay friend... back in his aggressive bidding phase, Michael was one of the few bidders that I feared when he wanted a book I wanted too. Anyway, I just completed my first deal with MG as a buyer (although he's been a buyer of my books in the past) and it could not have went any better. Excellent packing too. Chris Icamen (Cicamen)... a passionate HG key collector... a tough, but fair negotiator. A pleasure to work with and very reliable... true to his word as well. I look forward to many more deals as we like a lot of the same stuff! Andrew Knight (CaptainsofIndustry)... One of my most valued SA confidants who always takes the time to offer his insight. An easy guy to deal with whether buying from or selling to. Great packing and very reliable. A man of his word... Just don't bring up "shipping issues". Sure hopes he lets me in on some of that SA stockpile he has. Greg Loey (Greggy)... Always a fair guy to deal with whether buying or selling. He's the (non-dealer) forumite who's responsible for more "keepers" in my collection than any other. Greggy is a much nicer guy to deal with than his persona on the boards suggests. A legendary "gem hunter" before they existed in large numbers. I'm happy I finally found a few books for him too. Dave Matteini (DAM60)... What can I say that's not obvious? ... A class act that is great to work with. I suspect someday he'll come by and take all 3 long boxes of Batman I have. Ricky Nguyen (Speedjunkies)... Very cool to work with and a very fair, no hassle guy as well. Offered to pay more for a book I was reluctantly giving up for his MTU run because one in lesser grade sold close to the agreed price... Straight up and wise beyond his years. Also contributes to the comic community by confronting bad apples. Gene Park (DeLekkerste)... Gene, Paul (Wolvergeek) and I go back to the beginnings of the CGC craze and were in regular contact. We three became good eBay buddies after I helped dissolve the bidding feud between the two. Boy did they go at it back then! Gene has always been easy to work with and helpful. Jeff Resnick (Jordanabigail)... My good friend and a fellow obsessed highgrade key freak. Jeff is one of the easiest guys in the hobby to work with. Always a smooth deal whether selling to or buying from. Jeff has went out of his way for me on several occasions. I'm happy to have brought him a few of his "Holy Grails". Mike Shuley (CGCfan)... Another great guy to work with. In our first deal, he upgraded me to overnight shipping because he couldn't get the book out the day he said...that's all you need to know. An honorable collector whose word is solid. Paul Ferrence (Wolvergeek)... Paul, Gene (Delekkerste) and I go back to the beginnings of the CGC craze. We three became good eBay buddies after I helped dissolve the bidding feud between the two as mentioned. Paul and I have made several larger deals and I'm happy to have brought him his "Holy Grail". He was smart enough to hold onto a couple of books I wanted because he predicted eventually I would... smart guy. I've had the pleasure of working with the forumites in the past and hope to again... Richard Hunt (ariach) Jim Wilkerson (awe4one) Allan Foreigner (chromium) Rob Zipperer (clobberintime) Tomis Erb (comicbookscout/Zen) David King (davidking623) Steve Ricketts (dicex) Mike Pring (drbanner) Dan Drummond (drummy) Frank Bartosic (hitman) Raphael Chang (hogations) Brian Pegram (lantern) Mike Lovest (mlovest) John Billington (mushroom) Allan Chao (odin88) Rob Larsen (rob_react ) David Haig (scottish) Stephen Ferzoco (spider9698) Steve Sullivan (sullypython) Sam Grimes (yertle) John Borba (forgot forum name? ) Drew Folie (forgot forum name?) Ben Teoh (forgot forum name? ) Harry Miller (forgot forum name? ) and these forum dealers... Blazingbob Comgeek Discountcomics Flying Donut GPAnalysis Heritage ideal808 Lighthouse MonumentalCollectibles Paradise Comics SuperDuperComics theComicSheet Honrable mention... went out of the way to try and help Blowout Still trying... Gman tod09 In progress... notch_top If I've left anyone out...please keep in mind.. I went to art school for 2 years and I'm bound to miss something. Sorry in advance. Thanks again...

Last post and then I'm getting to the freakin' lawn!! All great points, BUT you're missing one important thing here I think that I realized sometime back and seemed obvious to me after awhile. I spoke with Steve Borock about this and he confirmed it for me if I understood him correctly (I'm sure he'll LMK if I get this wrong). In HG books in particular, CGC grades "structure"... the physical shape of the book in terms of wear, damage, mishandling, storage. CGC is NOT for the most part, and only in very extreme cases, factoring in many of the "eye appeal" factors that you mention and have varying levels of acceptance to collectors. In lower grades, SB said that "Eye-Appeal" will play a factor. However, in HG (and no I did not ask exactly what grade that starts at) CGC is reporting to you an opinion of the condition of the book and leaving you to value the "Eye Appeal " factors yourself based on your own preferences. Since some are generally visible with a decent scan, and again opinions vary wildly concerning how they should impact the grade, this makes sense to me personally. A grading standard based on structure is difficult enough, as I pointed out long ago in another post, trying to incorporate "Eye-Appeal" factors into the grade, along with structure is a nightmare. We all don't come close to agreeing either. "Eye-Appeal" factors like miswraps, date stamps, arrival dates, production creases are left for us to decide. They view them as neutral. I feel some of these things are not easily visible all the time and should be on the label in a perfect world, but we have to compensate for now with questions and requests for info and larger scans. Maybe someday CGC, and/or another company will add a separate "Eye-Appeal" grade if a standard that most will agree to can be developed... but for now, decide for yourself what EA factors you can live with or not and realize that you are receiving an opinion of the structure of the book. OK lawnmower here I come

All's I said was some resubmit for the reasons I gave. I never offered a percentage or said it was the majority reason. In fact, I thought I said "most" was driven by money, but not all. You basically are agreeing with me unless I missed something here. People are probably just skimming my posts instead of reading all that I'm saying because I can't get my point across as quickly as others

Funny, from someone who gets paid by the minute Point is... no one knows what everyone's motivations are and trying to tell people what they were thinking or why they did something is borderline pompous in my mind and is something I avoid doing. Whether anyone accepts what I said really does not matter. I'm not sure why I even bother.. I guess I like to be understood. I tried to give explanation and insight, but at the end of the day... if you doubt it, so be it. No offense taken. What I would point out lastly is if resubbing was exclusively some major money making strategy for me... you'd think with the hundreds upon hundreds of books I've owned or bought to resell that I may have resubbed a bit more than 3.

BB - you are singlehandedly bringing down the hobby as we know it and highly accelerating the CGC market "adjustment" with your irresponsible use of "resubmissions". Now go think about that while you manicure your shrubbery... Darn it Vince!!!... you [!@#%^&^] ... wait you're not Vince!

Damn, I need to cut the lawn!! ... I was talking about reputation in regards to their grading accuracy, not impropriety. Your example about possibly resubbing a 9.9 in hopes of a 10.0 would be quite different than resubbing a 9.2 that you felt was a 9.4... there's a little more room there. Talk to me when you get a sweet Defenders 10 in 9.2 that you think deserves a 9.4/9.6, you check the graders notes and nothing they say really adds up to the 9.2 grade... you just might resub. I understand what you mean, although I've bought more than a few books that were resubbed higher without any problem because I saw the scans and was happy with the book. I knew they were resubs though. When a book is upgraded, I don't think someone slid a $50 in the book, I just feel it got what it deserved, maybe more so because the owners of the book felt the grade was off and then CGC agreed the 2nd time. We see overgraded books all the time, but few make a big effort to say that. Some of us are also of the opinion that CGC went through a few phases of grading strictness. One of which (the last 1/2 or 2/3rds of the maroon label era) may have been too strict. So, that is a factor as well if the current standard evolved to what it is today and has maintained. I was not talking about misrepresentation... not sure where that came from? See my explanation above to James... We'll have to agree to disagree on some of this. I never considered the fact that my upgraded book would be a topic I needed to bring up during a sale, but I see your point. I guess I felt I was right and the book was what it was supposed to be now. Regardless, I did mention it just the same to the buyer who wants this 9.6, not because I felt I should report something, just because I knew it was a 9.6/9.8 and it was an interesting story about the book. Simply put, I don't expect CGC to get it right IMO all the time... to me, that's unrealistic. I was more demanding at the time I resubbed the 181... I was mad!, but now I roll with it, I think I understand that comic grading books that are on the line is always going to be a difficult task and I expect a certain level of variance.

for the record.. I added the below to my previous post before I saw your post... I would agree though that there is a line somewhere. If resubmitting became so commonplace that almost everyone resubbed at an incredible rate... the need for, and confidence in professional grading would be seriously diminished... especially if the grade changed a high percentage of the time. I don't feel either of those scenarios are happening, or likely to. ...................... I sorta knew you were gonna show up this thread sooner or later To answer your probing questions ...I have sold the previous two as I upgraded, I just got the 3rd in. You are certainly entitled to think what you like and I take no offense as we are friends, but I think your view on it is overly simplistic. Similarly, as you don't relate to or understand other collecting preferences and positions I have that we've discussed (unrelated to values)... I don't expect you to relate to, or understand all of my motivations and feelings either when potential value is a consideration. I'm not saying I was unaware of value difference, I'm saying it was NOT the primary motivation of my resubmits. Accept or reject as you please. Not that I think there is anything wrong if that was my primary motivation, nor do I feel that I'm special because it wasn't... its just the way it is. Seeing a 9.2 on the label when I thought it should say 9.4 was irritating. You are overlooking the fact that people have different levels of obsession or neurosis My wanting my label to say 9.4 may have been something closer to obsessive compulsion than anything else. I can be very driven at times. As you know, I was MUCH more a buyer, and sold very little in my early CGC collecting... when I obtained the first 2 books that were resubmitted. I only became a seller (aside from some "upgrading as I go" sales) out of necessity when the buying funds dried up. Anyway, I felt strongly that the books were "wronged" so to speak. At that point 9.4's were what I was shooting for on both books, so I was trying to undue what I felt was a "comic grading injustice". Was I aware they would be worth more in higher grade?..well yeah!... but I wanted 9.4's and thought I had them and wanted them fixed. As for the 181 in particular, even though I did mange to try an buy a 9.6 181 not long after (and was ripped), my motivation was primarily for the book to get what I felt it deserved... and I was right (but wrong on the 1st 180). The fact that I eventually sold that book does not change what my motivations were at the time. You may have the luxury of having all the cash you need to buy what you like and be a "pure collector". I had to engage in selling eventually to obtain that capital to continue to buy the HG books I wanted. If you had to do the same than I guess you would have to re-evaluate how to label yourself. Further, just because you are content to have a book in the grade you are happy with... even though the label may say differently, does not mean everyone else has a similar psychological make-up. I'm admittedly a bit more obsessed/driven than most and also have some "retentive" characteristics. When you see a 9.2, that's a 9.4 in your collection you may say to yourself... "What a nice book, CGC dropped the ball, but I know better, better get back to shootin' squirrels"... and I said to myself... "That sweet book was ripped! I know its a 9.4... that damn 9.2 label is getting on my nerves and I can't stand knowing its wrong!, so I'll have get another one or get it fixed". My collecting goals and preferences have evolved and changed a bit since then and I do save lower graded books over higher ones on occasion now. The Hulk 180 9.4 that I saved is a perfect example. I knew it was better and would not sell it until I got the 9.6. That resubmit was also to right a perceived wrong IMO, but I absolutely had resale in mind on that one... and the resubmit had more to do with money in this case by far over the previous two. I have to mow the lawn now... I tire of validating my existence in the comic world

Hey Carl, I hear you, but to expect the CGC grade to be universally accepted 100% of the time was an unrealistic goal IMO if that was the expectation... which I doubt. I'm no expert in other graded collectibles, but regrading cards/coins was a common practice (maybe even more common compared to comics thus far) before CGC arrived, so I doubt they expected universal acceptance. It only makes sense to me that there is an option to challenge CGC on their given grade* if you disagree strongly... regardless of your motivation. I don't know for a fact, but what I do know makes me feel that the "resub rate" is not at a staggering level that compromises CGC's reputation or undermines what they've established thus far. When you consider the value of some of the bigger books and the fact that there clearly is a possibility for a different "CGC opinion" on a different day, particularly on books that are truly "on the line" between grades (as best as we can say)... I think expecting people to stand pat with the given CGC grade in all cases very is also unrealistic. I also don't agree when you suggest that one should have sold a book raw if he will consider resubmitting the book if it does not fetch the anticipated grade. Whether or not you should have saved your money depends on the success or failure of the resubmit as I see it. Its a gamble. *At this moment, I'm talking about straight resubmits without any techniques being performed to increase the chances of a higher grade. Resubbing with potential improvement in mind is a different subject to me. Well, that's one opinion... not fact. I feel you may be right that much of the"resub game" is about money, but I disagree that it all is. When I resubmitted my Hulk 181 9.2 long ago (that I bought raw) and felt for sure was a solid 9.4... I resubmitted the harsh 9.2 primarily because I felt I was right and that the book deserved more. I was not even thinking of resale at that point because I thought a 9.4 would be my permanent "keeper" and that I'd never be able to afford a 9.6 (kind of funny now). Point is, some resubmit because they feel the book deserved something else and want to see if they are right the 2nd time. I was 2 out of 3 times, and I don't feel that there was anything wrong with having the confidence in my grading and asking for a "grading appeal" of sorts. I would agree though that there is a line somewhere. If resubmitting became so commonplace that almost everyone resubbed at an incredible rate... the need for, and confidence in professional grading would be seriously diminished... especially if the grade changed a high percentage of the time. I don't feel either of those scenarios are happening, or likely to. An interesting point, more of a moral issue, but not really what I was talking about. I think this may have been discussed at some point? CGC's role in creating a safe environment for the comic is an important issue. I think they take some responsibility with this because now when you reholder a book that has a damaged slab OR if they determine that damage has occurred, even if the slab is not damaged.. they reserve the right to regrade the book. Any owner of a book that has been "clearly" damaged (not possibly) and resubmits it for a re-evaluation, to be fair to the potential buyer would be a candidate for sainthood, especially of it was a valuable book. That would be one major character assessing test for anyone if they were faced with that dilemma. No difference... Heritage is just more visible. Anyone doing it, clearly should not put down others for the same. However, with Heritage, I recall some arguments being raised as to what responsibility they have to their consignors to report these type candidates. Maybe that is where some of the backlash is coming from?

Maybe for some, and its obvious that many don't like what Heritage is doing. I don't think the whole "resub game" falls in the same category though. Many are just confident or hopeful that their CGC book is better than what grade it was given initially. Whether for the personal satisfaction of "being right" and having a better book, or for profit... its more than a Heritage thing for sure... and merely a solution for some when they disagree with CGC. I also don't believe in the "magically upgraded book theory" that suggests impropriety on CGC's part. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and to be suspicious, but there has been enough revelation about books that can be "pressed", "wonder-breaded" and others where some minor defects are reversible with the careful application of reverse pressure. These techniques are not detectable (or leave a trace), nor are considered restoration by CGC as I understand. That is what is happening in those cases IMO, and I've looked into and learned a little bit about this to satisfy my own concerns and curiosity. My only remaining question has to do with "pencil removal" and how that is not detectable? These techniques and whether we should be entitled to know about them being performed... if they were detected (but not considered restoration) will be hashed out further in time if it becomes a big enough issue, and as the whole graded comic market evolves further. The influences the new grading companies and how they view restoration, restoration removal, legal techniques, etc. will also be a factor IF any of these companies earn respect.

Hey Rob, I think maybe you're overstating the point (level of the problem) a little and expecting too much from the CGC service. You certainly make good points about how the service was intended to reduce problems between sellers and buyers, but I feel it still does for the most part. I think many serious CGC buyers and sellers have just evolved through the benefit of experience. We've simply learned some of the nuances of the CGC game after handling, scrutinizing, owning, buying and selling hundreds of slabs. And... yes, I agree, some newer problems (as you mentioned) have arisen, but I don't see them as being overly problematic. To me, some of what you're describing is beyond CGC's control. In the beginning of the CGC craze, the majority, including myself, we're more apt to buy just by the label a little too much... without relying on our own grading and eye appeal preferences... this made life very easy for the sellers in particular. I feel, it was inevitable that we would become more selective as we experienced that CGC grading was not an exact science. As such, additional posturing between the buyer and seller was bound to occur even if we did not see it back a ways. The whole "undergraded", "overgraded", "eye appeal", "page quality", "supply & demand", "hype influence", etc. considerations have now become more prevalent in private sales discussions or in the minds of smarter online buyers considering an item at auction. I feel it's just evolution, not something that CGC could control. Even if somehow CGC's grading was met with even more overall approval/agreement, I feel the these same arguments would still have developed... its part of the game. I don't mean to imply that its all a game, its not. As stated, many of us have just learned the nuances of the CGC market and try to increase our rate of satisfaction with our purchases. Even with this evolution, and new considerations, the CGC buying and selling experience has not declined for me... it just changed a bit. Maybe for you it has, as you are a busy professional and the extra time needed on the details could be a nuisance for you... I can see that. By now, many of us have seen enough slabs to know there is some variation in the grades and that we may have to look at 2 or more before we find a book that is not only accurately graded "in our minds" (to our differing standards), but also meets our own personal "eye appeal" tastes. Sometime, we get books we feel got the nudge over the fence and we may try again. Other times we get a harshly graded book and we are very happy. Those "harshly graded" examples IMO... are the books that I sometimes consider for a resubmit... because I feel they are comparable to others that are a grade higher and may deserve it. I've only resubbed 3 books so far, so that tells you how often I feel very strongly about a book being more than a possible .2 off. Since other undergraded books (or strong examples) are keepers for me, I don't need to reslab them...for now. Maybe if I do upgrade and will sell the undercopy, then I may consider it for the higher payday IF I believe its really deserving of the next grade up. Other times I let it ride, knowing the buyer will be thrilled with the book. I'm not sure about your personal rate of agreement with the CGC grade, but I'm pretty happy with it most of the time, all things considered. I think for a difficult task like grading comics, they are doing a very good job. Considering they have to grade on the spot and move on to another book all day, that makes it more impressive to me. I know sometimes I can stare at a book (mostly the "on the fence" examples) for a loooong while, and over the course of several days, a few more times, and still not feel strongly that the book really belongs one way or another by .2... and I'm very confident in my grading over 8.5. IMHO, some books are just "riding the line closer than others" between one grade or another and those are the tougher books where we'll see more disagreement and potential for a different grade on resubmit. How many times have you looked at a book and said "between a 9.2 and 9.4" or "9.4/9,6" ,etc.... well they have to make a hard decision... and that's NOT easy. If you ever get a chance, grade a stack of 20 HG books, record the grade.. put them out a sight for 6 months, come back and grade them again... the ones on the fence may change. This experiment may not work though if you have an incredible memory btw.. i should have scans Sunday some time, I've been promised.

The era does not matter so much... the value of the book does. If you have a extremely valuable mega key... it would indeed take stones. However, If you are very confident in your grading and feel lucky, the reward can be significant.

I know its not very scientific, but I said "2 book minimum" so that eliminates people who only resubbed 1 book... from the poll anyway. People should post/itemize their results as I encouraged them to do and also register their experience in the poll... together, that gives us what we need.

Hey SMB, 2 of them I certainly did... and did not like the grades and tried again. The last one, no I didn't, but I didn't need to. True, you can miss some defects through the slab, but I had the luxury of comparing it to (10) other 9.4's, (3) 9.6's and (2) 9.8's... so I had very little doubt before I called CGC for the graders notes that this book was slammed. I think they graded that book on a Monday morning when the toilets overflowed at CGC and the president stopped in and reamed everyone for reading the books and not grading quick enough! BTW... When I called for the notes, guess what the Haspel said... something to the effect... "Hmmm, only one comment... minor abrasion along the top edge back cover". Upon examining it with a magnifying light... I could see nothing. The book is near perfection. I still feel its every bit a 9.8 as the other 2, but I'm happy I got half way there all things considered. I understand your point though, how can you really see some of the defects that are hard to identify through the slab... like surface indentations, warping, etc. I guess my answer is... if you decide that you're going to take the book out of the slab to check if its indeed a resub candidate, you've already committed yourself to at least having to reslab it... right? So, why not just cut to the chase and send it in still in the slab if you feel based upon a visual examination and calling/considering the graders notes that it is? You've already taken the leap by cracking the slab.. you can't Wile E. Coyote your arse back to the cliff when your in the air.

"fairly positive" an 8.5 exists? Why I oughtta...you young whippersnapper Bronze/Modern collectors and your fancy-shmancy "commonly and comparatively cheaply available in 9.8" supply of comics tick me off. I was trying to be polite... no need to slam the guy. I'm sorry I've only handled a few books below CGC 9.0... even SA

8.5 = VF+ ? I don't see too many lower graded books, by I'm fairly positve an 8.5 exists.

Others on the forum have addressed this in more detail.. a search may be helpful I believe inserting a flathead screwdriver in the crack near the posts and turning pops them. Removing the book from the "inner well" is touchy.. you have to be very careful. I used an exacto blade the first 2 times but found it a bit nerve-wracking. The raw book is also more vulnerable in the "ship back to CGC" process. This last time, I just sent the slab in "as is". Firstly, you get a resubmit discount by returning the label... which also helps maintain "census accuracy" and Secondly, I simply trust CGC and that the described process of resubmission does not allow for the graders to know that the book is a resubmission, much more what the previous grade was. My freshly returned 9.6 upgrade supports that I think. As I understand it, other CGC employees remove the book from the slab/well before the graders see it. I also feel more comfortable this way as I have to assume since they open so many, they can do it safer than I can. From here on in... I'm just sending resubs in "as is" for those reasons.

Not bad... enter your result in the poll... there's no 50% yet? Funny how the PQ changed

This will NEVER happen!! As long as the CGC TRIBUTE continues to be paid, there is NO WAY a fully-paid-up re-re-re-submission will EVER go down in grade. Only UP!!! Break open those slabs! You must PAY for the grade you want!!! I have SEEN the PROMISED LAND, I tell you... ::slap:: oops. sorry. thought this was the Hammer tribute thread. ... actually Zonker, I know a couple guys that resub a decent amount and have had the grade go lower!... boy were they pissed, but overall they have an over 30% success rate Also.. someone on the poll seems to have had that experience too!

I knew I'd hear from you Michael... yes, its the same comic! I think I even mentioned to you that I tried resubbing it once before I sold it to you and paid for you to resub it again. I thought maybe the 2nd time was the charm. I still think that was a 9.2 judging from the other 9.0 and 9.2's I owned, but 3X they gave it a 9.0... so CGC was consistent. We have to give them props for that. I think that AA 11 9.4 is an excellent candidate... don't you? That was way sweeeeeeet for a 9.4! cast your vote Michael!

With a minimum of 2 resubs...

Today I received my newly upgraded... Hulk 180 CGC 9.6... back from CGC. It was a very harshly graded 9.4 previously and when I checked the grades at CGC, one grader gave it a 9.6 the first time... over a year ago. Having had the opportunity to scrutinize it against quite a few other 9.4's, 9.6's and 9.8's I was very confident that it had serious 9.8 potential as it looked better than all the 9.6's I've ever owned and equivalent in my mind with the 9.8's, so resubbing it was a "no-brainer". I'm usually in agreement with the CGC grade a good deal of the time, or within .2... so on books that I feel were maybe graded a little tougher, I'm content to just keep the books as a "strong whatever grade it is" without resubbing. However, when I felt sure I was right on a big book, or when there is potential for a 2 grade difference... I've went for it... 3 whole times I'm now 2 for 3 on books I resubbed directly... 66% Hulk 181 9.2 to 9.4 Hulk 180 9.0 to 9.0 Hulk 180 9.4 to 9.6 I wondered what everyone else's "success/failure rate" was? Please feel free to itemize the results.

did you get the one I emailed?