New School Fool

On 1/6/2022 at 12:05 AM, Rick2you2 said:

And I have spoken to one old timer, in particular, who says he is just as fast, or faster, going traditional. I suspect that most of the difference has to do with experience and the learning curve as well as the nature of the work. Repetitive should be easier going digital. Creative uses of panel design would tip me to traditional (different artist conversation).

There's always exceptions to the rule, but in this case I feel your 'old timer' probably isn't adept at using a keyboard/mouse/stylus pen over a pencil marker. Obviously - as you mentioned,  they've had far more experience using traditional methods so that way will always be faster for them...as for creative use of panel design.. I don't think there should be a digital/traditional divide for this. Surely that depends on the artist?

On 1/11/2022 at 5:56 PM, Hockeyflow33 said:

This type of art turns me off books and has really led me away from a lot of modern books. The overly-digital art lacks soul.

I'm sure it's much faster for artists but the transition away from pencil/ink has not been good. If you look at Juan Ferreyra's original art he has this beautiful use of watercolor and shading with his originals and then whatever process they use to color his pages absolutely ruins the feel of his art. 

Once again, I feel this depends on the artist. I do agree there are some artists whose digital work pales in comparison to what a traditional artist can produce, I've never cared for Russell Dauterman's work which I find too plain and as you say, lacking in soul.

Then there's a few artists who use both mediums, digital and traditional and I struggle to decipher which is which (Pepe Larraz, Werther dell'Edera).

And then there Jorge Jimenez, who works 100% digital as far as I can tell. In my opinion his work easily rivals the popular traditional artists of today....I'd be hard-pressed to call it soulless.

On 1/6/2022 at 8:26 PM, fishbone said:

I have 5 Ron Frenz pieces now , thru Catskill (Scott),  and they are all INCREDIBLE !!

I would love to see them!

Background detail may be a reason... or the fact that creating digitally is faster than traditional methods. I hear a lot of artists say that they can actually hit deadlines when they go digital.

@Nexus you mentioned you wanted to talk about Tradd Moore at the end of the podcast....Care to elaborate?

On 11/27/2021 at 4:23 PM, Bronty said:

Note that historically  ‘artist proof’ is usually not a term meant to convey 1/1.    There are multiple artist proofs more often than not.   
 

Id be careful about assuming something is a monoprint just because it says artist proof.

I'm well aware of what an Artists Proof is in the traditional sense, but thanks for pointing out that it's best to be cautious.

For the record, thinking back I remember first hearing the term 'Artist's Proof' in this hobby on Russell Dauterman's site. He's a digital artist who sells monoprints, yet calls them Artists Proofs.
He even has a clarification of the term in his FAQ page: https://russelldauterman.square.site/faq

It seems that Black Diamond are taking the term and running with it.

On 11/25/2021 at 12:05 PM, Rick2you2 said:

Perhaps I missed the statement somewhere, but is everything sold by Black Diamond digital? The prices generally seem low for pencil or ink (or both), and there was one listing for an “artist proof” by an artist who only does digital these days. If that wasn’t forthrightly stated, then that’s a lousy omission to deliberately make on the dealer’s part.

Black Diamond does sell pen and ink pages, I've seen a few by Iban Coello in the flesh that are sold on their site.

I always thought the the term 'Artist Proof' in this hobby is another way to say monoprint, so to me it's obvious. But must admit, from their site it's not very clear which is pen & ink art and which are monoprints.....

So the Thought Bubble Festival has been and gone, this is just a follow up in the event anyone else is thinking of going and has the same questions as I did.

The festival was great! I was in two minds about going after I bought tickets but I'm glad I went in the end. In terms on comic art, there was a lot on sale. A select few artists represented by Cadence Comic art and Kirby Comic's art attended, as well as many other artists without reps. There was a lot of original art on sale! Something which I wasn't quite sure would be the case. In Cadence's and Kirby's case, a lot of it - apart from a few select pieces - were already available online. It was great to chat the the artists though, something one doesn't really get the chance to do here in the UK. 

But yes, a lot of the illustrators present would be considered as modern artists which probably are not so known to many here. I should have taken pictures but found the whole process a little overwhelming and the thought escaped my mind.

On 11/14/2021 at 3:44 PM, ComicArtPage.com1 said:

Actually Will's supposed statement is just plain misquoted.

It would be great to know what the supposed original statement actually is....

On 11/9/2021 at 7:16 PM, Will_K said:

Ignoring the need to raise funds, some people have mentioned they will sell off art because they want to be more focused or the art no longer appeals to them.

I can understand this. I've bought art that I feel isn't the best that artist can do but will suffice until I can secure a better page. Once that page comes along I'll sell the lesser one. I also have pages I feel do not 'fit' in my portfolio which I will sell when the time comes.

On 11/10/2021 at 2:43 AM, timguerrero said:

I don't usually look for art I have purchased in CAF. I have been approached by other CAF members politely asking to remove my piece even when I usually place it in a sold/traded folder in my CAF. I was once asked by a different person from that which initially purchased the art from me and I agreed to take the piece off my gallery but I was curious to know what his purchase price was. He stated his purchase price and it ended up being 3 times what I had sold it for. lol.

Yeah...this happens. The art I had just bought at auction actually has the initial price tag of the page when it was first sold written on top of the page (not sure if the previous owner bought it at that price or not)...

Bear in mind this is modern art. i.e. The page was created within the last 5 years....

I paid 12 times the original price! 

On 11/9/2021 at 3:44 PM, Unstoppablejayd said:

it is your first piece but you are a black hole collector?

First piece bought at auction. I've only previously bought from art dealers or the artists themselves.

On 11/9/2021 at 5:46 AM, thethedew said:

When this happens to me, I usually just leave a comment on the gallery page, simply saying 'SOLD'

I've never had anyone object or remove my comment, and occasionally they update the gallery details, or take the page down.

that's a great idea. I'll revert to this tactic if I get no reply.
The only issue is, I'm a black hole collector...and this technique exposes me somewhat but I guess you can't have your cake and eat it!

Thanks for the advice guys

I've left a polite note - let's see where this goes!

I've just purchased my first piece of comic art via auction. the page has arrived and am looking at it now while I type.

Unfortunately, the previous owner still has the piece up in their CAF gallery, listed as NFS?!!?

What does one do in these situations? Kindly ask them to remove it I presume? ...And what if they refuse to do so?

On 10/19/2021 at 9:56 PM, rlextherobot said:

Wow! I've been waiting for DWJ's commision list to reopen for a minute. Super curious how this will effect the pricing, or if he'll even be doing standard commissions going forward. 

I would 100% expect his prices to go up! I'm not sure if it's Felix who sets the price or the artist themselves, but I've always found them to be very market savvy. 

On 10/19/2021 at 9:49 PM, Carlo M said:

As the owner of not one but two APs by Dauterman I am officially disappointed by this result .  Granted this is not the best of his recent covers but I would have expected a price closer to the initial price . This auction result is not consistent with the speed at which the AP are being sold by the reps of artists such as Dauterman himself or Larraz. Oh well …win some lose some .

Maybe this result will cool down the primary market for these prints?

My take on this is that there's clearly a different demo-graph of collectors who purchase artwork via auctions as opposed to buying artwork from art reps, and these auction collectors are also predominantly the traditional pencil & ink enthusiast.

That and the artwork isn't really that good!

On 10/19/2021 at 9:54 PM, Rick2you2 said:

Actually, it isn’t that limited at all. Just go on Comic Art Tracker; there is a lot of new stuff, as well as tons of old stuff. Now, there may be some value in it in 25 or 30 years, but the ROI is likely to be low—particularly as Millenials pay off their college loans.

I think it's difficult to predict where we'll be in 25-30 years and what financial influence millennials will have, especially after the recent spat of Bitcoin and Etherium millionaires. I have no doubt in my mind that traditional pencil & ink pages will always command higher prices. But as more and more artist inevitably produce work digitally, the status quo on APs are bound to change.

If you mean less than pencil & ink pages when you say low ROI, then I agree with you. If you mean this abysmal -79% Dauterman result, then no. This will change.

On 10/19/2021 at 5:43 PM, Rick2you2 said:

I think you should lower your expectations to something like high end poster instead of original art. There is simply too much hand drawn, high quality art out there for the digital stuff to rise much.

True. If the seller of the Dauterman cover sold to make money, they were either stupid, oblivious to the fact that it was a monoprint or just not aware of the current market consideration to Artists Proofs and Mono Prints.

Hand drawn artwork is unfortunately, a limited and diminishing resource. I expect the market to change from its current state in the next 10-20 years though. I'm not sure if there's any artist born in this millennium who creates their artwork traditionally. 

On 10/19/2021 at 6:07 PM, Hockeyflow33 said:

The mono prints being called original art always reminded me of the phrase, "don't pee on my head and tell me it's raining" 

I've never seen monoprints being called 'original art'. Maybe they've been called 'Artists proofs' but the fact that it's a print of digital work is often clearly stated. I don't think any dealer would dare risk their reputation by making such a claim.

Thanks for the comments guys! :)

Something is Killing the Children uses various artists for their variant covers, I know that Cadence Comic Art and Kirby's Comic art represent a few of them, though vas far as o know these are now all sold.

As for interior art, this is even rarer to come by. Dell'Edera creates all his work digitally and to date I think he's created 8 traditional ink pages. I have been told two of these are in a museum. That being said, good luck with your search!

On 9/28/2021 at 6:18 PM, zhamlau said:

I know their is a market for a lot of this stuff, but I for the life of me have never heard of maybe 90% of these artists. Is this a specialized show for only artists of the last 10 or so years or does it also have traditional 20th material as well? 

I've heard of a few of them...and those are relatively new artists, so from your comment I'd imagine it's all modern day stuff.

I realise there's not many members from the UK here but has anyone been to or have an opinion on the Thought Bubble comic art festival?

I'm thinking of going but not sure how much comic art will be on sale there. A few artists are not responding on social media.

https://www.thoughtbubblefestival.com/

On 9/19/2021 at 3:33 PM, Twanj said:

There are probably better threads but these are the ones I could find easy.

Thanks for sending these links through. I thought I already knew, but it seems I still have a lot to learn.

So from my understanding...

inks over blue pencils  = the prelim artist drew in blue pencil, which are then inked over

inks over blue lines  = the prelim artist drew in standard graphite pencil, then scanned this into blue which is then inked over.

I imagine that inks over blueline pencil is the same as inks over blue lines.... but the terminology is confusing and can easily be mistaken for inks over blue pencils by noob collectors. 

On 9/18/2021 at 6:09 PM, Will_K said:

Yes !!  Ink on digital blueline pencils is a totally different discussion.  There are a couple topics on that.

So pencils and blueline pencils are considered differently then...?

I don't think these are digital blueline though. I don't see that stated anywhere....

On 9/16/2021 at 7:08 PM, vodou said:

Uh huh. I'm going to suggest that if you want the community to work with you...you've got to give to get.

Well enough art has sold now making it harder to deduce that which I have bought exactly. But the artist in question is John Romita Jr, and the penciller being JP Meyer. There is art for sale from a newly published Fantastic Four issue over at Comiconart.