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1 minute ago, littledoom said:

Clayton Crain has been incorporating paint/digital for decades 

I'm aware. But there's a definitely difference there. Look at the effort he puts in. Like Jiminez, its clear anything 3d is just a base, NOT a key part of the work. He doesn't use it for everything either. 

1 minute ago, littledoom said:

Definitely not lazy. This takes a lot of time. A lot isn’t what it seems. This is art. Is it original? No. Does it sell? Yes. Comic publishers are in the business of selling and that’s smart. 

Its lazy. I used to do it for Game design. Its MUCH easier, way faster. 

Some do it better than others. Mayhews stuff lately is just awful and transparent. I am pretty sure Jorge Jiminez uses 3d for a base, but he draws so much overtop that it looks brilliant. MUCH more effort and skill. 

32 minutes ago, HotKey said:

Why is an artist who uses a brush different than one who uses a mouse?

OK, fair point, but I think you're missing the point of the thread. 

Its one thing to use a mouse/ stylus to do your work. Peachy, zero problem with that.

Its another thing entirely to take a 3d model and just paint over it, trying to make it look like a drawing. That, to me, is lazy AF. Its the same thing if an artist takes a photo and just draws over it and calls it original art. 

Its not. 

 

1 hour ago, Qalyar said:

Digital art creation still very much requires talent. I know how to use the software. I've done some internal-use commercial graphic design. If you spotted me ten years to work on it, I still don't think I could produce even that Venom cover up there, and that Venom cover is a terrible, ugly example of the medium. The digital tools are just different tools. Computer art design does not consist of telling the computer, Star Trek-style, to "paint Batman", or anything like that.

It still requires a skilled artist to produce good art. So, yes, some people use digital art tools and create things that aren't appealing. Plenty of people do that with traditional media, too; no computer is to blame for Rob Liefeld.

I agree that something like ProCreate is digital art, and definitely takes skill. That said, its MUCH easier to produce some great effects and shading in graphics programs than it is traditionally, at least IMO. Look at a guy like Jorge Jimenez. He produces some absolutely incredible work by combining his traditional skills with the benefits of digital effects, and the results are crazy good. In his case, I think his traditional stuff would also be stellar, but wouldn't have the same detail and effects. Digital makes that possible. 

These 3D covers though, these are different. They look like cheap game art rather than pro level comics. I have no idea why this is accepted by any publisher. Its weak as hell to me, and I have yet to see anyone do it well. Those Venom covers are brutal. Why anyone would buy those over the Dell Otto versions is beyond me. 

2 hours ago, ygogolak said:

Does Mike Mayhew do digital art?

I can't confirm this 100%, but looking at his work, I'd say that he builds everything in 3d, then draws on top of it, then puts it out. Even goes so far as to do a "sketch" version, which makes me question the authenticity of it. Feels like it was done afterwards to generate OA sales, rather than actually as a result of the work. 

Those Venom/ Carnage covers seem especially obvious, but I feel that's how a lot of his other work is now too. All the textures and colours scream low-end rendering, and it just doesn't feel organic. IMO anyways. 

 

1 minute ago, Namtak said:

Reboot is awsome!!!

Not for comic covers. These are brutal. 

They're terrible and lazy. That Mayhew one kills me. Why would anyone guy a cover that looks like a screenshot from the Reboot cartoon. 

Awful. 

27 minutes ago, ExNihilo said:

FYI, there's a 2021 thread.  ;P

Well then, get ready for my spam there then. 

I'm getting in on this one.

Red is pretty good, but I personally love my purple and green :-)

4 minutes ago, Poekaymon said:

Not sure whatever that is qualifies as something they'd grade, but I have seen very small things in slabs before.  They put a little pocket inside the full size slab--you do not get a tiny slab, although that would be adorable.

They full reprints of the books, just absurdly and adorably small. 

I snagged these too

The most important question...full size slab with tiny comic, or tiny slab?

 

On 12/1/2020 at 1:28 AM, art4comics.com said:

a little late to the topic but thought i'd share my insight.  i have owned about 20 darrow pieces over the years including 4 published pages from hardboiled.  i currently still own one i got in the past year that had been on a friends wall for the 2 decades i have known him. it is in great shape and has not aged despite being framed in an non-archival frame.  i still have 3 other non-hardboiled darrow pieces.

as far as i know, almost all published darrow art is on vellum.  he works his prelims out on paper and then lightboxes the final images on vellum with either pencil or inks.  that has always been his process.  i have not seen sequential art by darrow in some time so not sure if the individual panels are all done in the prelim stage are on separate paper or on one larger sheet but the pages i have seen have all been on his vellum.  i would like clarify the vellum.  this is not the thin, brittle tracing paper used many decades ago and that is the kind i worry about becoming very yellow and brittle.  the paper geof uses is thinker and i don't think has the same poor archival properties as that tracing paper.  i have owned pieces of darrow art from before hardboiled and he was using thicker vellum even back then.  i am not sure about this onion skin paper people are describing(i know what it is but have not seen it associated with geof)

if anyone can provide proof of his vellum yellowing, becoming brittle or damaged, i would appreciate seeing some first hand images of this destruction and decay as that has not been my experience and might change how i display his art.

as to convention offering.  geof uses his same process for convention drawings.  he has a number of pre-drawn images at home and he lightboxes these onto vellum and will combine different elements in different ways to create a new image.  for example you might get totoro and a dog or totoro and monster or whatever he decides.  these are common but back in the day i don't think they were.  the first few times i met geof circa 2005 he brought no original art with him but subsequently i have seen him at over a dozen conventions and he brings a portfolio full of these kinds of drawings.  i remember when he first started to bring these, dealers would buy him out at the opening of the show as there was so much pent up demand for his art and they made quick and profitable flips.  after the first half dozen or so conventions when he started to sell art, the dealers backed off as the supply was no longer limited.  lots of these illustrations make their way on to the secondary market.  andy brown in the UK has (or had) a number of nice, published darrow pieces for sale recently.  

 

jeff

 

If there is any way you'd be willing to sell me a photocopy of that for my wall, I'd be thrilled as all hell. 

Does anyone know if Darrow is signing anything? I want my Hardboiled set signed. Got it out for Frank, definitely need Geof. 

4 hours ago, Avi said:

If you want more practice, I could use a samurai batman sketch. 

Sure, but I have 6 commissions ahead of you first.


That movie was not_in_tune_with_social_norms crazy. Terrible, but so much fun to watch. 

**Edit : LOL @ swear filter. 

3 hours ago, Complex306 said:

Absolutely amazing work man

Thanks man! I'm trying 

Multiple stores are reporting the same issues. 


The black covers were even worse. 

So my LCS got in their Spawn 310 Ds today...and it was not good. 

Not a single copy that was tick-free. Every single one had damage. 

So question is, will CGC treat this similarly to the rips that ASM 361 had? Ignore it and treat it as a printing error?

Well tahts fancy. 

Mine is much less fancy. They look like this: 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Impel-MARVEL-UNIVERSE-HOLOGRAM-CARD-MH4-Wolverine-Comic-Book-Hero/153943252669?hash=item23d7bb9ebd:g:lNIAAOSwcK5eyCNl

1 hour ago, Green said:

Worthless? Have seen what psa 9 and 10s are hitting? Not so worthless anymore. 

I have no idea what that means.