mediaslave

On 10/5/2022 at 1:34 PM, Sigur Ros said:

Well, now all you've gotta do is convince the 19-ish people who post on their forum.

Go get 'em!

 you aren't wrong. 

But what I find super interesting is its not just the guys on their forum. I find a lot of the guys that use THE OTHERS© are fierce defenders, to the point of ignoring and dismissing almost inarguable proof. Its almost fanatical. 

I got banned from there anyways, so there goes all my fun.

On 10/5/2022 at 1:21 PM, Sigur Ros said:

I don't believe you for a second but if you've actually presented "many thousands" of examples you should really take a deep look inside.  

Still, hopefully one day you'll convince them so you can move on.

Since it's so ridiculously important to you.

 

I went a followed multiple comiclink auctions and compared same grade/ PQ between the two, head to head. I then went and compared those sales to ebay auctions (NOT BIN sales, which are too different to count.). In almost every case, the other guys lost by a considerable margin, usually between 12-25%. There were even examples of them losing by 50% or more, but I don't consider those common enough. More outliers. 

The other outlier that I couldn't explain, and still can't, are 9.8 copies of theirs going for CONSIDERABLY over market. For example, I specifically remember a copy of Punisher #1 selling for $400, while there were multiple CGC copies at $300 BIN on eBay. Also CGC past sales were between $280-320-ish. No idea why. No announcements at the time, no TV stuff, no real reason that I can figure out. Same with a copy of Thor 337. Went for WAY over market, like 70 over. No idea why. aI even asked CL about it, and they couldn't figure it out either. 

Why did I do all this? Because I have multiple OTHERGUY books, and I wanted to see if the gap was still there. Then it just became interesting, particularly at the time of the CGC price hike. 

Gap is still there, and healthy. 

On 10/3/2022 at 1:30 PM, Sigur Ros said:

On 10/3/2022 at 12:23 PM, mediaslave said:

Same company that turned their verified label yellow to try and equate a verified signature with a witnessed one, all for their own benefit?

How dare a company listen to its customers!

 

 

 

Listen to their customers? Gimme a break. Its a garbage idea that they jumped on for their own benefit. They're obviously trying to equate a witnessed signature (very trustworthy) with their verified signature (not really trustworthy at all), thereby hopefully bumping the value/ decreasing the price gap between the two. Its a self-serving move that also reeks of cost-cutting. If they had any dignity or interest in the good of the hobby as a whole, they would have just chosen a new colour (which would have been a great move.)

Witnessed and verified are not the same thing, and they should not have the same label. End of story. 

On 10/5/2022 at 9:51 AM, Sigur Ros said:

Honestly, their forums discuss more CGC QC mistakes than anyone else's.   

Their forum is also full of delusional muppets that refuse to accept the gap in sale pricing, regardless how many many thousands of examples are presented. They'll take a couple of cherrypicked examples where a competitor copy sells for the same amount, and use it as empirical proof that the gap doesn't exist. That kind of blind customer loyalty would also lead me to easily believe that they are willing to keep mistakes quiet, with the misguided but understandable mindset that they are doing the right thing for a company they believe in. Hell the ex-president of THEM came onto their own forum and said they thought the grading between the two companies was pretty much even, and STILL they keep pushing their version of "The Big Lie ©". 

Happens all the time. Tesla, Apple, Beats...the examples are numerous. 

Both companies make errors, but from many, many accounts only one actually acknowledges it and stands up to help their customers. 

On 10/2/2022 at 2:14 PM, Sigur Ros said:

But I don't trust them at all.  I've seen and read way too much

You're missing an obvious fact though. 

Customers with issues at 1000x louder than those without. Even if the issue is tiny, they will broadcast it everywhere. Meanwhile, 10s of thousands of books go through just fine. 

Not saying CGC doesn't have issues, they definitely do. Had quite a few annoying issues myself. But statements like that are inflammatory and exaggerated, with just a sprinkle of drama. 

On 10/2/2022 at 1:32 PM, Sigur Ros said:

Yea...  I know the mentality here is to pretend that is true. Fortunately, it's not.  There is a company that outperforms in every way, except CS.

Is that the same company that gave me a witnessed label for a verified signature? Same company that listed non-pressable damage in the graders notes and gave me a 9.4, which magically became a 9.8 after a press
? Same company that sent my book back with massive wrinkles coming off the spine? Same company that has TATs that explode everytime they are faced with even a slight challenge? Same company that ignores customers when they do make mistakes? Same company that turned their verified label yellow to try and equate a verified signature with a witnessed one, all for their own benefit?

Asking for a friend. 

Outperforms is questionable at best, outright laughable at worst. 

Not sure if this is allowed, but the original owner of this one ran into some tough times, had to sell. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265865026755

I really don't think cgc has thought this through. So if any artist who's registered can now alter a book, where's the line? Can they add extra covers? Foil? Stickers? 3D elements? This just makes a mess out of the whole thing instead of just admitting that they made a mistake here and walking it back.

Poorly handled by CGC. THey've never been the best at controlling the narrative around their brand, but this attempt is just awful. The right answer would have been: We messed up. No more changes POST-PRODUCTION. 

I'm a big fan of sees you see and have been very vocal and defending them on Facebook and other places, but this is just flat out a mistake. 

Cgc has never been particularly good about controlling the narrative around their brand this is a good opportunity for them to step up and admit that they made a mistake. These books should never have gotten a blue label judging by their own standards that they set, and they should come forth with a statement that's 100% transparent regarding it. Continuing to not do so just gives their detractors more momentum. The marketing team should have been all over this with statements, and there should be some sort of active effort to make sure the other books intended for Boston aren't released.

Another one done and on its way to CGC. Metalic Inks too, so fancy. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CdpSSuyMXre/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Another done, off to cgc on Monday. 

Why the hell does this site keep turning my images sideways?

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcbjE6XP-9h/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Another one done. Once it's sold, off to THE CGC it goes. 

I have no idea why it's sideways. It is not in real life ®. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CcUWBJTM4z0/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

This one too!