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14 minutes ago, DjMartini said:

So how did you figure out it was a reprint, since you bought them already slabbed? 

The comics themselves should have something on the cover that shows they are not the original prints. 

Pictures? 

I think that the OP is saying that s/he bought CGC-graded books on eBay prior to being aware that the comics have been reprinted. Now s/he wants to know if the CGC label indicates whether or not the book is a reprint, in which case, it will.

A lot of good feedback for this topic. Thanks everyone!

The concern(s) about vertical storage is something I would have never even considered before.

Just looking at the publication years, you don't have anything pre-Modern Era, so I personally suggest not grading any based on that criteria. However, some of these Modern Era books may be more rare than I know of, so I hope some others can chime in on that aspect.

On 9/1/2018 at 8:13 PM, dcampbell07 said:

I just bought some CGC graded Marvel Super Hero Secret Wars on off of eBay then realized that there are reprints!  I guess you can only tell if it is a reprint by looking on the second page which I can't because it's cased.  Would CGC state it's a reprint on the grading tag?

If what you bought is in fact a reprint, then to the left of the CGC holographic sticker it will say something like, "Reprints Secret Wars #1 5/84".

2 minutes ago, Pontoon said:

 

"CCG provides its message boards as a service to the collecting community. Although we value an open forum where users can discuss issues that affect the hobby, we do not allow our message boards to be used to promote our competitors. We will pull any posts that violate this policy and may also choose to suspend or ban the poster.

This applies equally to signature lines, Private Messages, posts or any other mechanism on the CCG web sites. If you need to promote something that CCG already provides, please use your own resources elsewhere to do it."

Discussion over! 

8 minutes ago, spidermanbeyond said:

This is a CGC forum so the site does not allow discussion of other grading companies. Recommend  you do a general search to draw your own conclusions.

Can you point me in the direction of this mandate? I wasn't aware of this. I wasn't trying to violate any guidelines.

7 minutes ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said:

I do think it is necessary. He stated the subject of 'fair and balanced" being of importance. Why would you not want his opinion about the question you presented?

I think it does make progress, and I think it does add additional information, in that now you are not just assuming it is valid that a member is possibly spiteful and suspect in stating truthful comments. After all, he was banned, according to some members, by the same entity. That is a valid consideration that is equal to the weight you have given to the commentary about RMA, is it not? That does provide new information for you to consider, i would think.

I created the topic. I assessed both comments. Your responses have done nothing to make any progress from my POV. Goading responses from that poster would have done nothing for me to assess the posters' POVs, either. This is why I asked you to stop. And, again, I'm asking you to stop.

4 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

That is always true, of everyone, all the time, regardless of the circumstances. 

However, being the vocal loudmouth that I am, I am under closer scrutiny than others...and rightly so...and would do serious damage to whatever credibility I may (or may not) have by manufacturing or fabricating information...about anything.

I would be tarred and feathered...again, rightly so.

Regardless of you being banned elsewhere, I thank you for the information. It would be nice to know what, if any, of that information is agreed upon by other members. I don't have much information on CBCS in particular.

12 minutes ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said:

I think it was already personal. Mr. Logan can address that. I do not find the comments of Mr. Logan valid, and have stated why. i do not know or have personally met either Mr. Logan or RMA. I have never read any post by RMA that transmits negative information based on spite or retribution. Maybe you should read the post history of both members, before stating that you will have to re-evaluate the comments of RMA based on being banned. That would be your choice.

Maybe your request to not make it personal should have been addressed to the post by Mr. Logan, as opposed to implying I am making it personal. I am not.

Well, you're asking him to expand on his comment, which I don't think is necessary and doesn't make any progress in this particular subject. His information was valid. I don't want this conversation to continue on this thread. It doesn't provide any additional information for me or any other newer users IMO.

15 minutes ago, Mr.Mcknowitall said:

I may be interpreting incorrectly... are you stating that RMA was banned (I don't know one way or another), and accordingly anything he posts on the subject is suspect, and therefore not "fair and balanced".....implying lack of honesty and integrity and valid opinion concerning the OP question ('s)? 

Or, is this your personal comment that he is suspect, based on any Board feud you have....real or imagined, because I don't know (or care), which if it is, makes your observations concerning his integrity and honesty a bit higher level of suspect.

That would be very disappointing. I have not read any post by RMA that is intentionally spiteful for the purpose of fabrication and intentionally disparaging a manufacturer without cause. 

i hope you are not stating your opinion for personal reasons of differences with RMA having noting to do with the subject.

I am not qualified to comment on the business entity or their quality and/or lack thereof, but I would certainly be interested in your opinion.

Let's not make this personal, please. I want to keep this on the topic of all 3 brands. Both RMA's and Logan's comments are valid. I may have to temper my inference of RMA's comments based on the fact that he was banned from their forums. That doesn't make his opinion any less valid, but I now understand that they could be manufactured or fabricated based on a potential spite factor. Other users' feedback will help me determine if his opinion is legitimate or vengeful.

I think it's important to keep this topic alive for a long time. Everyone is going to be on the lookout for this for some time, and if the thief has any intelligence (despite no integrity), then he's going to attempt to wait it out until the heat dies down.

I'm going to visit some shops (here in Michigan) after work. I'll definitely be asking them to spread the word on this.

3 minutes ago, Logan510 said:

It’s a lot of information, this is true. But said member was also banned on their forums and has been quite outspoken about it since that time.

I think it’s important to be fair and balanced.

Ah, thanks. Also good information. This is why I'd like to get as much feedback as possible. I understand it's a CGC board, but I'd like to think that we're all collecting in the same vein, and not just CGC fanboys here.

2 hours ago, Jerkfro said:

Epic obscure thread title. I am in awe. No seriously 

This. 

31 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said:

CBCS is a disaster. They were thoroughly and completely unprepared for primetime, as some of those involved have noted, and there's no one in charge who knows what they're doing, or how to deal with customers. Their message board...their public face...is a disaster, filled with people who know little to nothing about comics, run by people who know little to nothing about comics, and who don't know how to deal with criticism other than silencing it, and then using that platform to lie about it, because, after all, you can't respond. It's not much better than your average comics speculation blog.

It has been documented that their cases can be opened AND CLOSED AGAIN without showing any evidence of tampering, which they attempted to resolve by extending the "heat seal" on their inner well a bit longer.

Their "witnessed signature program", as ILP mentioned above, is a joke, with "people in charge" offering to "yellow label" books for people they didn't know, merely because those people were associated with other people they did know...like the bouncer saying "oh, you're with Biebs? Come right on in!" when they should be the guardian of the integrity of the program with their lives.

They decided to distinguish between "newsstand" and "Direct" market versions for 70s, 80s, and 90s books...which is great...but then decided to stop at the totally arbitrary year 2000, which means every newsstand book after that...the most critical for such a distinction...was not included...which makes no sense whatsoever.

Their "head presser" made a video showing an Avengers #4 in which he rotated, on a table, the book 360 degrees...which made collective comicdom cringe, thinking about the potential for scuffing and abrasions. You never, ever allow a comic to rub against any surface. Even backing boards will eventually rub off ink given enough time and movement. 

They have no census, despite repeated calls for four years for one...I sadly suspect they haven't kept records to establish one.

And, as others have said, there's been massive infighting, which is no surprise.

Maybe Beckett can save them...maybe. We'll see. They had the good will and support of perhaps the entire graded comics community behind them when they opened in 2014, and they completely and totally squandered it.

CGC, for all its flaws, is the only legitimate third party grader in the hobby at the moment. And that's really sad, because competition...legitimate competition...makes everyone better.

This is a LOT of good information. Thanks!

8 minutes ago, I like pie said:

I forgive you.

Quick summary:

Slab via PGX if you have a restored book and want to trick people.

Slab CBCS if you want to save a couple bucks, have 6 months to wait or no one witnessed your books signature.

Slab via CGC for best $$$ return but Newton Rings suck and they refuse to address the issue.

All logic points to keeping books in mylar

Can you elaborate on these, please?

Are you saying that CBCS' turnaround time is 6 months, and they'll mark your book "Signature Series" without validating it?

When did Newton Rings start becoming a problem with CGC? Or has this always been a potential problem?

I didn't see a topic title referencing all 3 brands, so my apologies if this has been discussed ad nauseam.

I'd like some feedback and opinions as to the pros and cons of each company, and how they stack up against each other (and also 'why').

My outlooks as a newer collector:

I personally love CGC because they seem to be universally cherished and respected among collectors (myself included). Aside from the scarcity of 9.9 and 10 graded books, there doesn't appear to be much in the way of disagreement with their standards. And, by that, I mean that the community, from what I've read, believes that there are more 9.9s and 10s than have actually been graded those numbers. I also love the presentation of their slabs. They just look a lot better than both competitors' products.

For CBCS, I didn't even know about their existence until the last couple of weeks, when I started lurking among these boards often. I'm certain that I've seen their name on eBay listings, but they look(ed) too much like PGX for me to understand that they were a different grading brand. I know almost nothing about them as this topic is posted.

Now, for PGX, I've seen a lot of horror stories and a lot of controversies. My very basic understanding is that a majority of collectors respect their grades as much as any anonymous seller's raw grades. I personally shy away from any listing of PGX-graded comics and would rather buy a raw. Is this just being too paranoid? Has anyone here personally bought a PGX 10 and had it graded Gem Mint by CGC?

Again, apologies if this discussion has been beaten to death, but I'd like some well-informed experiences and opinions. Anything to help make me a more well-informed collector. Thanks!

15 hours ago, Keys_Collector said:

There are short boxes that are the correct dimensions to place the graded comics into.  HotFlips and BCW are a couple of examples.

Awesome, thanks!

My apologies if this has been asked-and-answered recently.

What is the best method of storing graded books that aren't being displayed? Right now I only have a few, and they're still in their boxes they were shipped in, but I plan on collecting a LOT more. Is there a type of box out there that fits them perfectly (for folders, etc)? Should they be standing up? Lying flat?

Thanks for any feedback!

I just started collecting slabbed comic books about a year ago, and I'm not a fan of variants either. One exception that I have, though, is Action Comics #1000's "direct" variants (the 10/12 from DC, not store variants or other).

I hope they do the 8 decade variants, a foil Convention variant, and a blank variant of Detective Comics #1000 next year.

On 2/11/2018 at 4:25 PM, Rich_Henn said:

Action Comics #684 CGC 9.8 s/s Roger Stern - $120

Still one of the toughest sigs to get due to extreme lack of convention appearances