Rick2you2

Depends on the marriage.

Just the first image alone screams fake. We’ve seen posts of Stan Lee’s Spider-Man logo before, and that one isn’t how he drew them. Way too heavy-handed. Penmanship doesn’t look right either. I am sure others can knock out the Romita art and penmanship.

I don’t mind the basic purchase and sale of art to make money. Nor do I think it wrong to mark something up to market price, or a little higher, if you get a great deal. What I do think is worthy of attention is when someone buys a piece and then tries to sell it at an extremely high price when it’s purchase price is easy to spot. That is always interesting to me, and also stands as a warning about that particular seller’s pricing policy. I don’t know market value as well as quite a few people here, so I somewhat trust a seller to offer a price at or slightly above market (I still do my due diligence, of course). That is why I started a separate thread called Optimistic Pricing. It isn’t the seller’s purchase price that matters as much as the set of stones the seller has when posting it for resale, or maybe, the seller is correctly pricing it after all and I missed something.

If I wasn’t really, really interested in a piece, and I knew someone else was, I would personally back away, but that has never happened to me. I also don’t engage in punishment bidding. I consider it malicious and offensive to deliberately cause harm to another with no benefit to myself (fighting vigorously to win the same piece is different).

Not quite. 1. The commissioner does own a copyright on the whole package; he/she created the concept which became an actual object. But, the individual artists also have copyrights. So, there are multiple copyrights on the page, similarly to the way both inkers and pencillers have copyrights (but those aren't "stacked" primarily and secondarily like with the commissioner). Here's where you can register for one, or ten, or more: https://www.copyright.gov/registration/ 2. The copyrights come into existence when created, but registration is a different process which can get you statutory damages. Otherwise, you are basically left with seeking injunctive relief and actual damages. Good luck on this one. 3. Trademarking is a different issue (thank God). Not everything that is copyrighted is also trademarked. It depends upon things like regular use and how the image is used. There might very well be trademark infringement, but I doubt the companies would complain--they may have consented as they were aware that artists regularly draw famous characters for them.

Doesn't the copyright have to registered before the work is infringed? Also, better be prepared to share with each of the underlying artists. Correction, you have 3 months after creation to get it registered.

Indirect comparables. Same artist, different books, none of which are particular significant. So, I am stuck with a very wide spread—too far to trust. That is why the question was vague. With some dealers, I have some comfort as to their pricing because who they are.

Without being too specific, how have you found their prices? I recognize that dealers like to make more money if they can, but have you found some of them really on the high end+? I am not sure, but I think what I am looking at is maybe about 50% higher than it should be--I can't tell due to lack of comparables.

I think Grell is definitely underappreciated. As noted above, he did indeed, start out as a clone of Adams, but his work developed a sweeter, more gentle feel to Adams’ work which has always had a healthy dose of testosterone in it.

You have it well protected. As I recall, someone recommended against using silica bags.

More than a few artists doing pencils have privately complained that they don’t like the way their pencils were inked by so-and-so on a particular piece.

Captain America fighting with the Red Skull. Duh. Then, I’d flip it for some Phantom Stranger art.

I don’t think they have been too hot lately, either.

I prefer Monday, but only by a little. I have other things to do on Sunday besides checking on bidding.

A good candidate for the thread on Optimistic Pricing.

That frame is too ugly to have been cheap.

I am a big fan of collecting based on preferences, not price, since I don't treat this hobby as an investment vehicle. The fact of the matter is that the designs are by Perez, and indicative of his thinking, while you added a piece to your collection. That means they have lots of value.

Thanks. Clearly, the European art market is very different than here. "Back to Blain / Sean Murphy: they now both work on a "mainstream" / well-known series, resp. Blueberry and Batman. Whatever the intrinsic quality of artworks (and I'm really not fond of both of these works)" That definitely makes me feel like less of an outlier.

No, I was focusing on your comment that: I don't hate the artist. I don't care one way or the other about the artist, or the book, in which he wrote. I simply could not understand how the prices could run from $9,000 to $22,000. Now I know. If people want to pay that sort of money for the page, then for purposes of this thread, that's fine. As for me, I seriously doubt I would spend that sort of money on any comic art. That's too much money to casually spend on something my heirs will inherit.

I just wanted to bump this one forward so that it doesn't get lost in the discussion.

Curiously, different European countries use slightly different conventions, which makes things worse. I went looking on the internet about that one. There wouldn't be sequential story telling like there is now without Will Eisner. There is a lot of his work available because he kept most of it when he was alive, and I think that has held down prices, but I don't give a knockoff the same "intrinsic worth" as the original, and that's assuming it is an equivalent knockoff. Prices being what they are, there really is no such thing as "intrinsic worth", but I think you get my point. I really don't want either of those pieces in my collection. But, given the choice as between the two, I'd add a third choice and keep the money. And if the choice was Arak plus money or that other page and no money, I'll take Arak in a heartbeat.

Could you give me a range about how optimistic his prices seem for the book, given what actually sells? What about work from different book series? As you must know, that can have a major impact on pricing. Still and all, it's a fascinating look at the European market--very different than ours, I see.

I confess surprise that there was justification for it. In the prior week, there were two instances in which Tony Daniels had made a similar typgraphic on pricing in CAT. My guess was that since different countries place comma's and periods in different places when writing euro's, it had something to do with that.

Wow. Thank you. He just released a large number of pages. If he gets them all sold at those prices, he must live very well. Are there a lot of people buying art like this? How do people afford it? It seems like a very different world. 👂

Similar to me actually. If you use abbreviations and shortcuts for the naming convention, you can squeeze more content into the Windows lists on your computer. That can help when you want to find things if you use or switch to an alphabetical listing. For example, the name "Ellas Chatzoudis" could be shortened by eliminating "Elias", or eliminating the word Issue should give you enough space in your Windows Directory to see the whole file name.