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2 hours ago, Saint_Doyle said:
I need to update my original post concerning the Marvel Star Thundercats reprints. Originally I had claimed there existed a very rare 3rd print of Thundercats #2. Fellow boardie androolx located a second copy of the elusive "Third Print Thundercats #2." After a bit of investigation we now believe this to be an ERROR printing of the 1st print, as opposed to a 3rd print. Here is the evidence:
- All ads (including the back cover, interior covers, subscription offer, and Marvel checklist) are all the identical and on the same page as in the 1st print DM/US Newsstand/CAN Newsstand editions.
- This issue was dated Feb. 1986. Regular Marvel titles had increased in cover price to the 75¢ / 50p / 95¢ shown on this printing in this month, however Marvel Star titles (including Thundercats) would remain at the previous Marvel pricing structure of 65¢ / 30p / 75¢ in Feb. '86 until changing along with the rest of Marvel the following month in Mar. '86.
- The 75¢ / 50p / 95¢ Thundercats #2 does not state that it is a reprint in the Indica. This is not concrete proof of anything, as this was commonly omitted in reprints of this era, but is still worth a mention.
These facts lead us to believe that this 75¢ / 50p / 95¢ Thundercats #2 is not a 3rd Printing as previously believed, but is instead an ERROR printing of the 1st Print Direct Market edition. Androolx proposed a situation where the person assembling the cover for print forgot to use old price box and accidentally printed a few copies with the new price box before catching the error and correcting it for the rest of the run. This is complete speculation, but seems plausible.
Do you see any reason to believe this 75¢ / 50p / 95¢ Thundercats #2 is actually a 3rd Print? I feel confident it is an ERROR 1st printing, given the evidence. Anything else I should look for?
This seems like an error printing similar to the Captain America #212 35¢ "no Marvel Comics Group banner" error printing, or the Marvel Spotlight #1 "no issue number" error printing, as opposed to the more common error printings where one color of ink was low for a fraction of the run.
One thing I would add is that the 75c/50p/95c pricing of the book at issue and of standard 02/1986 Marvel titles was unique to that month. In 03/1986, the pricing of standard Marvel titles changed to 75c/40p/95c. It is unlikely that Marvel would reprint a book with a pricing scheme that Marvel had stopped using.
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4 hours ago, Garystar said:
I don't want to deviate too much from the OP's original topic, but you did point out an incorrect generalization in my first post. Thanks for doing that. I should have said the Tattooz insert opening is accessible on most of the inserts; some of the inserts were stapled in such a way that the opening is not accessible.
I just checked 28 books with Tattooz inserts (none of which are ASM 238) and the insert opening is accessible on 26 of them. I have found a couple books with the insert where the enclosed tattoo is partially outside the insert (see photo).
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The Tattooz insert was an unsealed envelope containing usually one tattoo; tattoos can be removed from or inserted into the insert without altering the insert. Thus, there is no way to know whether a tattoo in any given Tattooz insert is original to that insert. With that being the case, if a Tattooz insert is torn but a tattoo is present, could it not be considered as being the same as a torn page and get a Universal label?
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Based on my own dealings with the USPS regarding lost mail, I suggest you go to your local post office in person and interact with the postmaster or a supervisor regarding the lost package. You should also request that a trace be put the package and that a lost item case be opened. The USPS often has additional information regarding the scanning of a package than what appears in the tracking history available to you on the internet.
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In my experience, when a book has a printer's crease, a similar printer's crease will sometimes exist on other copies of the same issue. A quick search of eBay found a couple examples of ASM 64 with a similar crease.
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There are alot of very interesting and informative threads on the boards pertaining to the topics you listed. Below is a link to a thread on star stamps.
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A few of the more noteworthy 1st full appearances in Marvel 35 cent price variants are:
Jocasta (Avengers #162)
KISS (Howard The Duck #13)
Machine Man (2001 #8)
Rocket Racer (ASM #172)
Starjammers (X-Men #107)
Honorable Mentions
1st Godzilla in comic book (Godzilla #1)
1st Jack Of Hearts in color comic book (Incredible Hulk #214)
1st Thanos solo story (Logan's Run # 6)
1st White Tiger in a color comic book (Spetacular Spider-Man #9)
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Hi. I would appreciate the collective wisdom of the boardies on grading this. I believe the pics document all the defects, including: Small tear FC top edge (which I believe occurred during the shipping of the book - grrr); large color-breaking bends/creases FC LLH corner and FC LRH corner; damage/tears to upper outside corner; obvious tanning; several large non-color-breaking bends FC (the long horizontal bend across the FC about 1/3 of the way down appears in some of the pics to break color, but it does not); some color-breaking spine stress. Thank you
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X-Men 50, 96, 100 taken by PM.
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The Tattooz insert is an unsealed envelope which is supposed to contain a Tattooz (temporary tattoo). The insert is usually inserted between the cover and first wrap so that the insert wraps around the spine and is stapled by the top staple. The opening of the insert is usually accessible between the last page and the back cover (I say "usually" because I have a book where the insert is wrapped so that the opening of the insert is between the front cover and first page, making the contents of the insert inaccessible). Therefore, in most cases where an insert is Tattooz-less, it is impossible to say whether the insert was produced without a Tattooz or the Tattooz was removed. The attached photo is of a Tattooz insert which was never attached to a book, and shows the opening of the insert.
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I once had an Amazing Adventures #11 with a NDS insert. Pics of it are posted in a Comics General topic titled, "Star Stamps???". I also had a FF which I am pretty sure was #114 with a NDS insert.
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On 2/8/2020 at 4:29 PM, Randall Dowling said:This whole thread is a lot of supposition in pursuit of a desired outcome. There’s a whole lot of gathering information to prove beliefs and not much following the facts wherever they lead.
FWIW, As someone that was buying comics from newsstands, drugstores, grocery stores, Toys R Us, and anywhere else we could find them in the 1970s, I can tell you that the “square diamond” associated with Whitman reprints was pretty much exclusively sold in very predictable 3 packs many, many months (if not years) after the original newsstand issues came out. By predictable 3 packs, I mean that they were pretty much always the same 3 issues in a given pack, much like the Marvel multi-mag 3 packs.
It was only in places like Toys R Us that one would find both the Whitman books and the Marvel multi-mags. This does not mean that both Whitman books and multi-mags were the same thing. They might be. But they might also be different. Multi-mags may have been printed at the same time as newsstand issues with direct intent of packaging together and selling to certain venues. Or they may have been printed later with no detectable difference from the original newsstand issue. And, yes, Whitman books most probably are reprints due to a couple of particular aspects- they clearly came out much later and they were deliberately marked different than newsstand issues with the square diamond. I don’t doubt that they were purposely printed for distribution to certain venues, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t reprints, second prints, or whatever one wants to call them. Unless somebody can provide substantive proof that they were printed at the same time as newsstand issues, then I think you’re reaching to legitimize something based not on facts, but in pursuit of a fixed belief.
I know we are now in an era where people value 2nd, 3rd, 4th prints higher than first prints due to smaller print runs. Fine. I don’t personally value them more but that’s me. Why not just accept Whitmans for what they are- later printed issues. You can still collect them and value them more or less than newsstand copies as you like. Trying to rewrite history to make them “not reprints” smacks of trying to create value where none exists (aka market manipulation).
Finally, there is a distinct difference between foreign edition comics and pence price variants. Pretty sure pence price variants weren’t printed in the UK. Foreign editions are printed in the country they were distributed in and there are vast examples of such.
Regarding the timing of the printing of the square diamond Marvels (not including Star Wars issues), there is a printing error in Marvel Two-In One #31 which indicates the square diamond Marvels were printed at the same time as newsstand issues. There is a printing error which occurs in every copy of MTIO #31 which is not the standard 30¢ newsstand version - 35¢ price variant, MJ,UK and square diamond. That error is on the front cover, and is a pink area which should be blue between the I and N of "THING". Far fewer than half of the standard 30¢ newsstand copies have that error. It is my understanding that for any particular issue, versions other than the standard newsstand version were printed first. Also, logic would have it that the MTIO #31 copies with the error were printed first, then the error was corrected shortly into the printing of the standard 30¢ newsstand copies. All this would mean the square diamond version of MTIO #31 was printed at the same time as the 35¢ price variant, MJ and UK versions, right before the standard 30¢ version was printed.
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Have you guys seen the Phillippine variants?
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12 wraps changed to 6. Duh
Well, I have been bitten by the Philippines reprint bug. I picked up this Incredible Hulk 154 Goodwill recently. It has 6 wraps inside the cover, including 2 pages of Goodwill Bookstore ads.