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    in Golden Age Comic Books

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    On 10/19/2023 at 5:22 PM, Pantodude said:

    You guys are just joking, right (pun intended)?  Because Tec40 is the first joker cover, and there's no doubt about it, as recognized by  third-party graders, Overstreet, big auction houses like Heritage (and anyone who read Bat 1 followed by Tec40 three months later, as they were published back in the day).   

    Easy enough to demonstrate using the covers and panels in the pertinent books (Bat1, Tec40) themselves. 

    One should place himself at the time Bat 1 and Tec 40 were issued.  If you do, it is clear that -- regardless of the story contained within Tec40 -- it was the Joker, and could only be interpreted as the Joker, on the cover when Tec 40 came out, especially considering how the Joker had looked up until THAT point (pre-Tec62, Bat11, Tec69,etc). 

    The evidence is in Bat 1 itself.  Here is the key scene from Bat1:

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    In case it is not clear WHO that is chopping away at the pole, it's the Joker.  After readers digested the above key scene, they were treated to THIS preview of Tec40 on the last page of Bat1 itself:

     

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    Having seen that pole-chopping seen in Bat 1, followed immediately by that ad in the same Bat 1, readers could only have construed Tec40's cover to depict the Joker:

     

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    So in real time, back in the day, upon reading the key book Bat 1, readers could only have construed the axe-wielding figure on Tec40 as the Joker. 

    And just to be clear, the Tec40 cover's Joker does look very much like the Joker as drawn in Bat1 panels, when the Joker was still less colorfully drawn.   Look at Bat1 page 7 front:

     

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    And Bat1 page 7 rear:

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    You can see Tec40 cover's Joker had the same hat, coat, and vest, and even the same ribbon-like tie, but sans the gloves, as in Bat1.  Even had a similar pale face, although in Bat1 it was whiter.  Joker's turned face in the key scene on the roof in Bat1 has no makeup!  Just like in Tec40's cover, where the Joker also has his face turned while on the roof with no makeup.  

    If you want to say that in Tec 62, the Joker looked more like he did post-Tec40, that's fine.  That's true.  All good.  And that is why I LOVE Tec62's cover, balloons and all.  But in Tec62, he looks different than in his intro book Bat1 and intro cover Tec40:

     

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    A great cover.  But the Joker on the Tec40 cover looked more like the Joker in the Bat1 panels than the Joker on the Tec62 cover.  Unless my eyes are failing me, which is possible.  Anyway, that how it played out historically. So Tec40 is the Joker's 1st cover appearance.

    Both Tec40's and Tec62's covers are awesome in their own right.  And they are both also essential because they show the evolution of Joker's appearance.  

    No doubt and 100% agreed. It's clearly the Joker.

    UPDATE to Shortboxed Shipping and Service issue

    in Comics General

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    On 10/3/2023 at 1:11 PM, Gambold Vintage said:

    I'd like to head this one off, but of course you are free to contact Shortboxed for answers. In this situation, it was fairly clear from the get-go that the seller was bogus.  By that I mean they weren't responding to the sale nor were they going to ship the book. You get a good sense of these things after buying and selling for years. 

    It wouldn't be proper of me to screenshot their emails, but Shortboxed evidently agreed after trying on their own to contact the seller and verify the sale.  They may have had other reasons they didn't share with me for the suspension decision. Frankly I was surprised about that - I wasn't gunning for the seller, I just needed a fast turnaround on the refund. So like I said - they may have had other reasons.  I think they are fair and if this was a legitimate sale, they would have counseled me to wait. 

    I want to vouch for Shortboxed's response on this, which is why I changed the title and content of the original post, and removed all my ill-advised squabbling with fellow forum members. It was a learning experience for me too, and while many of the comments here were mean-spirited or just kinda stupid, I do appreciate the few that took a genuine, mature interest...which is why I have posted more details here at the end. 

    Happy Collecting, Gambold Vintage

    This is very much appreciated.