BladeTX

OK, here is another one that should drive some discussion. Even though CGC says books should last forever in their holders, I have seen MANY people who have been on here for a long time say they intend to get their books reholdered every 10 years or so. So inevitably, all these people will face this risk. They will be sending in Action Comics #1 in 8.5 and other $100K++ books for reholders… and then when the grade slips, what then?

Can you please provide a link? Just yesterday I put up a post asking to see examples of SCS, so many people talk about it but I have never seen it. I would expect on these boards, with some people having 1,000+ CGC graded books, there would be over 100 pictures of SCS If it is such a big deal. Do you have books that have suffered SCS and can you post pictures to the original thread? Thanks.

WTF - No. You don't understand my motivation, which is to find ways to improve CGC for the benefit of all collectors.

Thanks for the encouragement but I don’t appreciate getting flamed by 2 people immediately after posting a new idea that could work.

Funny that it still applies!

I’m in business and deal with these sort of resourcing questions a lot. Normally as the demand increases, you add a bunch of staff to keep everything in check. By not hiring, they are essentially saying “it is ok for you to have a bad experience but we're a monopoly so suck it up cupcake.” And if they have grown this much without scaling staff, they are making a lot more profit at the expense of submitter customer experience.

Damn, how did that happen?

I’m not either. I have $8.5K in 10 books that are in for reholder and just SFG today. But those are 9.8s. When you are dealing with a difference of $12K for a 9.9 and $2K for a 9.8, then I can see getting worried. Disclaimer: I have no 9.9s myself and don’t intend to collect any unless CGC gifts me one.

I bet people would pay for that to lower the risk. Could be a consulting service an ex-CGC grader offers on the side. Again, no guarantees but better than winging it.

That was EXACTLY my original post (you can still see it in the first reply). And I got flamed. So I gave up.

fair enough

You are missing the intent here. It is not to bypass CGC but make it work more favorably for the collectors.

I’ll buy that for people with high integrity. As painful as it would be to say “I paid $80K for this in CGC 9.8 WP but it has suffered some environmental damage and is now a 9.4-9.6 and I’ll sell it to you for $40K.”. Really? i guess your point is that if one person was knowingly selling lower grade books, they would get flamed here, but unfortunately some buyers would never know.

I bow to the Gods of Science

Thanks Joe. At least I am attempting to find a solution for a messed up system.

Honestly, they take no accountability for their grading and obviously not storage conditions, having an older book display something that would lower the grade is not a representation of “their work”. Unless that book was graded very, very recently. Are you saying all the books sold at auction on CC and CL are accurate for the assigned grade. How would you know? Aren’t these all Internet auctions? At least all the major coin auctions are live and you can inspect any coin before bidding. I’m sure really high value comics must be auctioned live - who is going to drop $1 million based on online photos????

I’ve heard SCS can be pretty bad. Given all the shipping my books do and USPS doing the Ace Ventura delivery model, I guess it is a matter of time. Let’s see some SCS books posted.

Very interesting! Looks like I’m storing well except my display books . Thinking about getting a few of those standing ones with UV protection. Then I can put out really nice books

Well now I am properly schooled All I know is what CGC said and there were multiple cases of this in this brand safe but not others.

So I guess I threw a rock into the hornet's nest by proposing an idea for the dilemma of getting a book reholdered and the grade potentially going down. So I vented. Let's move on. Original post can be viewed in the first response.

Interesting! The humidity strips in my safe have a call-out on the 30% level to say replace dessicant at that time. My house maintains humidity in the mid-40's. I guess I need less dessicant or can let it degrade past the 30% point? I'm sure there are all sorts of opinions on this, I am still fairly new and learning.

10 Books shipped for reholdering Delivered 5/2 1:29PM SFG 5/9 before Noon Same timeline as Casablanca before me.

Correct, the reason the humidity was not a factor is the collector was using dessicants and monitoring humidity levels. This may be controversial, I know nothing about long term comic prevention, but I saw a thread where some people worried that too low humidity would dry out the book and make it more fragile (specifically older comics). Is that valid? Is use dessicants in my safe and maintain the humidity at 15% to 20%

Truly excellent advice. I will pass this along to my friend who is concerned about reholdering.

SentrySafe changed the way their keys work, likely because of what you said. The keys no longer bypass the digital lock. They are a secondary measure. I guess in case your kid figures out the digital numbers, if it is also locked with the key it will not open. It sort of freaked me out, I do have another safe where the key overrides the digital lock. But with the SentrySafe, if you forget the digital combination, you are screwed and will be cutting the thing open. The keys do not bypass.