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It was blamed on the chemicals in the Fireproof material causing a chemical reaction with whatever they used to make that staple. Humidity was not deemed to be the causal factor.

Of course not, I am hypothetically saying it would be great if there was a way for CGC to stand by the grade. Obviously for all the points in this thread, there does not seem to be a way to do it. I was merely pointing out that in another collectible area, grades are guaranteed. I wonder if anyone can comment on trading/baseball cards and if those have grade guarantees.

I respect your opinion and with the number of posts you have, you obviously have a lot of experience. However, you are only partially correct. I watched a really great hour interview with the Director of Marketing and a Senior Grader at CGC. People could live stream questions and someone specifically asked if a book could be downgraded during a reholder. They said yes, sometimes graders will relooks at a reholder book if rare, unique or maybe just random, IDK. But it is not simply a person pulling out the book, putting in a new holder and printing a new label. I would really like to hear from someone who has sent in several 9.9s and 10.0s to see if they every got a downgrade. Personally I have sent in 15 for reholder and all have come back the same grade. I've got 10 more in now, and 2 have values over $2,500 but I'm willing to take the chance as I want all of my collection in new holders, I strongly prefer them. Anyway, it was coming directly from a CGC grader so a good source.

Thanks, valid points. Just for the record on the high value 9.9, the crack is small and at the top of one corner by the label. It is just cosmetic but annoys this collector. But I get it. If my house flooded and I had certified coins, I would honestly not be concerned about them sitting in water for 24 hours. Those cases are bulletproof - I have removed some and it is a project that includes flying sharp pieces of thick plastic. But if CGC comics were submerged for 24 hours... I don't see a favorable outcome.

Yes, a very long thread on it if you look. This was back in 2012. Book was CGC 9.8 when graded. Spent 3 years in a SentrySafe and all 5 books of his were affected but this was the worst one. CGC had a few other collectors comment about this brand of fireproof safe. Long story short, it was blamed on the chemicals in the fire-retardant material on the outside of the safe. The guy bought a reader copy of the same book, extracted the staples, replaced them, and CGC assigned a 9.8 Green Label. I had my books for a year in the same brand safe (CGC would not mention the company obviously for legal reasons but people on the board did). I pulled them out and now have them in a non-fireproof safe. Literally a metal box with a digital key that is bolted to the floor for security. But yeah, the sight of that is just plain scary.

I'm not sure but I have to assume if they damage a book in grading, I would hope their integrity is high enough to contact the collector and make restitution. Hence the high prices for insuring the books at CGC. I doubt they get much theft there . Yes, the coins are generally completely immobilized in the slabs but every so often they rotate.

Yeah, whatever, I just grabbed the pic from a thread about the damages of fireproof safes. CGC even issued a warning on it. I don't collect Superhero comics so was not exactly sure of the 1st Wolverine issue but that's it. And it had nothing to do with humidity. It is the chemicals in the fireproofing material that did this. I do think humidity in a normal house is overrated. Seen people with thousands of slabs displayed and not problems. But I don't take chances on my expensive books - they are in a non-fireproof safe that is humidity controlled.

That is rare but could happen when something is on the coin before it is slabbed and degrades it over time.

Oh you can seriously mess up a coin by cracking it out - those things are sonically sealed and a Mother to crack out. Put a scratch on a very nice coin and there goes $50K. So I don’t get your point. I’m sure at minimum grading fee of $40 (coin grading prices) and 3-4% of value, they could do just about anything. At any rate, I knew this was hypothetical. I wish it could be done. I know comics are fragile. I guess there are situations where a comic degrades and it is not CGC’s fault. Like the staples of this Hulk 181 9.8 that spent 3 years in a fireproof safe in a CGC holder...

Wouldn't you like to know that if you sent in your precious, hyper-expensive 9.9 for a reholder that CGC would guarantee that it comes back a 9.9? Or they would buy the book? I've got a friend who has a very high value 9.9 in an old holder with a small crack. He wants to get it into a new holder. But CGC does not guarantee their grades. If someone sees something that previously was missed, that book will come back as a 9.8 and my friend will lose about $8,000. So yeah, it's an issue. He also has a decent grade AF15. He would like to get that put in the new Marvel custom holder. But he told me if CGC reconsiders the grade and drops it by just .5, the value will immediately drop $5,000. Give the grade, back your reputation on it and stand by it.

Now someone is talking some sense!!!

This is from PCGS, the most strict and highly respected coin grading, certification and encapsulation service. (CGC's sister company NGC is also very good, but not quite the respect of PCGS. And here's why). From the PCGS website, they will guarantee that their grade is accurate. If determined to be over-graded or a counterfeit, they will buy it back at market rates or pay the difference between the over-graded value and the real value. I saw this in action when I was collecting. Someone had a Pop 1 of 1 (highest) graded Lincoln cent. The coin had been bought at auction for a bit above $80,000. In a later auction, it was determined there were undetected flaws and PCGS wrote the collector a check for the full $80K. Now THAT's what CGC should do. They charge a lot to grade high value comics, they should stand by it. If they miss a restoration, it should be on them. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PCGS Website: PCGS guarantees that all United States and World coins submitted to it shall be graded in accordance with the PCGS grading standards and under the procedures of PCGS. In addition; All U.S. and World coins graded and encapsulated by PCGS are guaranteed genuine. The grade of all U.S. and World coins graded and encapsulated by PCGS is guaranteed. In the event the purchaser of a PCGS graded coin believes that the coin has been overgraded with respect to such standards and procedures, or is non-authentic, he may submit such coin to PCGS through the PCGS "Guarantee Resubmission" procedures and PCGS will re-examine coin to determine the coin's grade and authenticity. If the grade determined under such "Guarantee Resubmission" procedures is lower than the grade originally assigned to the coin, or if the coin is found to be misattributed or non-authentic, PCGS shall pay the current market value for the coin in question at the originally assigned grade (in which case, PCGS shall become the owner of the coin), or at the owner of the coin's option, the difference between the current market value for the coin in question at the newly established grade and the current market value of the coin in question at the grade originally assigned (in which case, the coin at the newly established grade will be returned to the owner). PCGS will also refund the regrading fee and postage and insurance costs incurred by the coin owner in sending the coin to PCGS.

Looks like it to me, or some type of corrosion. I've seen much worse though.

Jeez, you must buy a lot of new comics each month!

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I’m baffled, this thing has barely any text.. are you just giving Adamantium a hard time?

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I am a career Marketer and if I had to guess I would pay more (15%) to the people who never used the App before to try and get them using it.

I just sent a Registered Mail package last week and this is not true. The first charge is how you want to ship - priority, ground (not sure but maybe even Express is available). Then there is an uplift to that for Registered and the Insurance. So you really can decide to ship Registered Priority vs Ground. I shipped Priority and my Registered package got to CGC in 3 days.

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Man, I was amazingly close guessing 1,075 Are you saying you sold all the comics? What were they (in general)?

I counted 43 CGC boxes. I’ll guess 25 books each so the math on that is 1,075. WOW. That is at least $20K in grading fees...