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Motor City Rob
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On 8/23/2022 at 12:52 AM, JC25427N said:
Yeah the way that was worded sounds weird to me. Of course anything with a witnessed signature will get a signature series label, I think they could have just said the Acetate Variants will now get qualified labels (and then it would go without saying that if it got a witnessed signature it would then get the qualified signature series label). Or they could have at least said that part (the acetates variants will now get green labels) first, but leading with "CGC will assign a Qualified Signature Series label to comics that contain an acetate cover by Mr. Crain, as well as his signature that has been witnessed by a CGC representative" just makes it all sound awkward
And then it's followed up with "and those covers must be signed by the artist through the Signature Series program to receive the Qualified Signature Series label." I don't know why an explanation of how the signature series programs work is in this announcement so many times, it just makes things a bit harder to decipher actually imo. The only way I can read this so that it doesn't sound like a redundant explanation of the signature series programs is that these acetate variants will only get a signature series qualified label if the artist of the acetate cover signs it. But then that just sounds off, if anyone else but the artist of the acetate cover signs that book (with a CGC witness of course) it won't get the qualified signature series label?
I think you're over-analyzing. CGC is saying the book is Qualified. Also, any artist that signs the book (witnessed by CGC) will result in a SS Qualified label. If no signature, just a green Qualified label. I think it's that simple.
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Always fun reading things like this. Thank you for sharing.
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On 8/11/2022 at 5:36 PM, MB1952 said:
Unfortunately because it's kind of true. You may not like hearing this, but most greedy people are hard workers.
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On 8/10/2022 at 12:26 PM, Phill the Governor said:
I see far, far more "influencers" in the second category and I can give a shining example of the worst behavior:
In a hobby where people selling books upwards of 5, 6 and 7 figures are able to crowdfund from other people so they don't pay expenses to go to a con. Absolutely unacceptable, entitled behavior. Those people should be crowdfunding and GIVING away the $$ to less fortunate people- that's the responsible/ethical thing to do.
While I agree with the overall tone of your post, I don't believe it's anyone's "responsibility" to raise money for the less fortunate comic collector. And I certainly wouldn't label anyone as "unethical" just because they aren't doing that. Would be nice for people to do things like that, but 99% of the people in the hobby aren't doing that. Does that mean we're all irresponsible and unethical?
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On 8/9/2022 at 4:39 PM, NewWorldOrder said:
Assuming then he took it down?
Yep. Gone!
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Anyone know how CGC will communicate their response? Email? CGC Boards? Instagram?
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On 8/9/2022 at 1:39 PM, stynxno said:I like Danielle and I've always had an awesome professional encounter with her. In our sales, her grading is always on point and her packing/response rate is fantastic. When I came back to comics a couple of years ago, I stumbled into the little community she was building on instragram and whatnot. I appreciate what she's trying to do - expanding the diversity of the comicbook community while having to deal with the BS associated with simply being a woman in comics. The amount of energy she has to spend dealing with misogyny is ridiculous though, before this C2E2 stuff, her what not sales seemed like one for the few places where folks could just be themselves. The comic community is, in my experience, small but isn't tight-knit. Instead, it's full of different smaller communities and those who are fine just collecting/reading/etc. Danielle has been intentionally doing what folks do online now - moving beyond social media and into simply nurturing a community. I doubt there's anything she could say/type/share that would get everyone degrading her to stop. She's a woman in the comic community and, imo, some believe that gives them permission to attack/insult/etc. The mere performance/presence of femininity isn't permission for folks to behave the way they have. It is totally possible for folks to critique the whole situation (aka why this not-a-variant exists in the first place, how variants at cons are sold, wtf cgc was doing giving this book a blue label) while, at the same time, reflecting on how we would be reacting if was a white-man with Danielle's length as a comic dealer tied up in this situation.
I'm taking too long to write this - so hopefully CGC hasn't posted their update before I wrote this. To me, this wouldn't be the big deal it's become for the last few days online (youtube, whatnot, instagram, this website and others) if it wasn't for the fact that CGC gave these a universal label and that at least one very online woman was involved.
If you truly believe this is about sexism and misogyny, then you have not immersed yourself in the details of the situation.
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On 8/9/2022 at 11:23 AM, Gotham Kid said:
and if the last sale price is an all time GPA high ?
I'm assuming a buyer wouldn't use an all time high data point to negotiate a price. Trying to get some clarification from the OP.
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On 8/9/2022 at 11:17 AM, blazingbob said:
I'm really not concerned about the "pricing police"
My issue is that buyers want the "auction result" without bidding on the book that was in that auction.
And not realizing that their bidding would influence the outcome of that auction.
Aren't they just referencing the last sale price and asking for you to sell a book at that price?
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On 8/9/2022 at 11:01 AM, KirbyTown said:
That's hilarious!!!!!!!
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On 8/9/2022 at 9:45 AM, blazingbob said:
I would like to ask that if you are this type of buyer to please remember one thing.
Somebody else paid that price to buy the book, you did not.
If you were bidding in the auction you would have paid the next bid increment or more depending on what the high bidders top bid was.
I am not an auction house, I price a book and then negotiate from it. The price doesn't change in my hands as we are negotiating which is what it could be doing if you were bidding on it. I am not extending your offer every 3 minutes every time an offer is made. The only risk you have is that somebody else bids higher on my website or buys it outright.
If I am over the auction house sale price then I am not obligated to sell the book at that price. It is a reference for you to use but please remember "You didn't win the book that just sold".
I'm assuming the price police are messaging you and telling you how wrong you are for pricing a book higher than the last sale. I think it's ok for potential buyers to negotiate a price based on recent sales, but it doesn't mean the seller has to agree.
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4.5 to 5.0
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On 8/8/2022 at 4:32 PM, 8802 said:
Whatnot is cancer to collectibles. The mess they do behind the scenes is borderline criminal. Stop supporting them and a lot of this nonsense dies.
Can you be more specific with what they do behind the scenes?
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On 8/7/2022 at 8:19 AM, Sam T said:
But honestly there's something kinda sus about being mad about a "bunch of well known comic influencers" doing something shady while also not naming a single one. Raising awareness without naming names is kinda just marketing.
Completely agree. Also, if there is really some transgression that's been committed, these things have a way of correcting themselves. Just enjoy the good of the hobby and ignore the BS.
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4.0 due to stains and foxing. That being said....sometimes the Golden Age halo takes effect, so could be slightly higher.
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Really difficult to tell without seeing the book at different angles. Maybe a 9.0/9.2 from what's obvious. If there's anything else that we can't see, will go down from there. Regardless, beautiful book!
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C2E2 Variant Drama
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No, it's no common practice. The entire book should always be graded. CGC knows this incident was a mistake. Disappointing that it took them so long to change their stance and get it right.