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On 1/14/2024 at 7:55 PM, Microchip said:

The question of Tampered slabs still stands.   

Will these be removed, identified, or nothing done in response to the list of numbers released by CGC, by @gpanalysis on the website.

CGC is not  compelled in any way to provide any answers to the many questions we all may have. If they do address any concerns, well, good on them.

There is no regulatory agency overseeing the comic collecting industry/hobby. CGC is not a financial institution, subject to SEC rules and regulations. It is a private company, owned by a public company.

CGC has not done anything criminal. A bit negligent or incompetent maybe, on the reholder process, but poor performance is not a crime. There is probably fraud taking place, maybe unwittingly aided by CGC. But CGC is not the source of the fraud, so not the subject of an investigation. The person, or people, swapping out books are the criminals. 

On that criminal level, the parties affected (collectors who lost money due to slab tempering), would be the ones to press charges, to get law enforcement involved, since something tangible was stolen from them - money. Multiple affected parties would have to band together to seek justice and compensation. 

But....has anyone to date lost money?? Those who potentially could have lost money are supposedly being made whole by CGC, so no longer victims. No victims = no crime = no prosecution. 

And as long as CGC keeps up with current compensation, as well as funding new, previously-unknown instances of swapping, this whole affair slowly loses traction, fading away. Could be the entire strategy. 

The CGC Guarantee states that each book is evaluated by at least 2 graders. Used to be 3.

On 1/14/2024 at 8:17 AM, MrPcfixer said:

So if the words CBCS comes up in ANY post is that also not allowed? I'm asking because I don't want to be punished again for speaking truth. The video posted quite literally didn't promote one case over the other. No where in the video did he say BUY CBCS NOT CGC. It was used for educational purposes and it served its purpose well. That is all there is too it. I'm not taking sides I'm also hoping CGC can take a hint and change the tooling of the cases to get this fixed SOON. But with MANY MANY millions of crack able cases out there its a moot point yes?

How to poke a bear...

On 1/14/2024 at 8:36 AM, CGC Mike said:

First of all, there was no formal warning attached to your account.  Secondly, I deemed your post along with the video absolutely did promote the competitor.  I do not think that it is too much to ask that people respect that one sentence rule.  I have edited this post to remove 1 sentence that did again promote the competitor.  Let it go, otherwise, you will be banned from this topic.  

Bear poking back, with restraint.

I have had about 400-500 9.8's, from Bronze, Copper, and Modern submissions. I never got notes, to my knowledge, on even a single 9.8. Maybe not even a single 9.6. I have heard of people getting notes on 9.8's. Very rarely, though.

To get a large percentage of notes on 9.8's via multiple submissions is an anomaly. It certainly could suggest some type of inside collusion. 

Will we ever know?

No, not a chance. 

In my opinion, with no hope of ever knowing, it becomes a moot point. Interesting, maybe troubling, but fruitless.

On 1/13/2024 at 7:29 PM, agamoto said:

These were briva3/Zaneglor submissions? Speaking of grader's notes, I noticed when I was poring through the notes on all the books in the list, I was surprised how many of the notes had the exact same wording.

For example, the 9.8 ASM 194's have the sole grader's note "very light spine stress lines to cover" 17 times. 

Further to that, there are 3 more 9.8's that also say "very light spine stress lines to cover" followed by "breaks color" 3 more times. 

Still 9.8's

 

Same notes on dozens of my books, verbatim. But not on any 9.8's, so there's that....

On 1/13/2024 at 6:57 PM, frozentundraguy said:

A couple of years ago I bought a copy of Tales to Astonish #16 in its raw state. I sent it in to be graded and it came back qualified as the top edge was trimmed. I pulled up a graded copy and placed my scan of TTA #16 when raw next to it, sizing up the pics to be identical in size. I'm finding it hard to spot the trim.

 

Yours is possibly not trimmed either. That determination was made at the time of grading, an "opinion". It's an important opinion, but not the end all be all. On a different day, you might not get the same determination. 

If you could find a few blue label very similar examples, you might be able to send that evidence in to get yours released from purple label prison.

On 1/13/2024 at 6:51 PM, Chip Cataldo said:

First of all, who cares who he told what to and what he said to them? I've collaborated with the President on Foreign Policy, with Paul McCartney on a song and with Bill Parcells on the NY Giants defense during their Super Bowl win. See? Anyone can say anything...doesn't mean it's true. He lied.

The public doesn't know about this "scandal" at all. 98% of the people who submit comics to CGC don't know about this. Most of them probably wouldn't care, anyway. It doesn't affect their lives as collectors or sellers. How many people can afford to spend $5-20k on a comic book? That number is very small. I was talking to a local collecting friend of mine last night. He has lots of CGC books. Lots. He buys them on eBay and from the local shops. He had no clue about any of this, and none of the local shops do either. The general collecting public doesn't care.

I think that what CGC has told the public is exactly what Blackstone/Blackrock/Blackface's lawyers WANT them to say. No more, no less. They could give a rat's behind what the public wants/needs/demands, ESPECIALLY the faceless vocal rabble on an internet message board.

Do they need to say anything? Nope. As I've said before, the money will continue to roll in as it has before.

This "scandal" will affect none of that.

+1

Saved me sooooo much typing.

We will have full transparency from CGC right after treasure is found at Oak Island.

As in never.

On 1/12/2024 at 1:20 PM, comicjel said:

I think CGC should start printing a high resolution scan of the ungraded book on the CGC label (maybe even front of book on front of label and back of book on back of label) - I think it would make things safer.

On 1/12/2024 at 1:25 PM, William-James88 said:

They already have a high quality scan of the ungraded book which links back to the cert number so what you are asking for is already in place. It does make things safer for the future. The issue is with all graded books before this was recently put in place.

The scans are not of the ungraded book, but of the graded, encapsulated book.

On 1/12/2024 at 9:53 PM, CGC Mike said:

This is correct.

My error, then.

It says Updated in the title, posted 1/3, then under that in bold Updated January 3, 2024. Maybe threw me off with the dates.

On 1/12/2024 at 9:23 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

I literally asked all these questions 5 pages back and no one answered me, but had the same questions I had.

How soon we forget, these refreshers of cgc Mike answered those questions that no one answered.

Therefore it checked my boxes

So the answers to your questions have been public knowledge since Jan. 3rd, by way of a CGC announcement. And you have been asking the questions for 5 pages (or what seems like 20).

Is this like Jeopardy, where they give you the answer and you have to come up with the question??

On 1/12/2024 at 8:40 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

That checks my boxes

It's the same statement that was issued 1/3/24. Now you're happy with it??

That is foxing, a common affliction of old paper. It is an aging effect, from humidity or insect activity, or both. Irreversible, I believe, and takes a big hit on grading. 

On 1/11/2024 at 9:55 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

Wait are we saying heritage listed it with that error in spelling?

That's funny, but I'd be ticked if I was the seller.

Imagining googling Clayton crayon to see if you wanted to bid on this. It's funny but it's not.

 

I suspect that the buyer is happy, though.

It's not an unusual result,  Stewart. I have books as low as 8.5 and 8.0 with no notes.

It has been indicated that the notes are primarily for internal use, grader to grader, made available to us as a courtesy. Grading is not a full appraisal of your comic, with a list of attributes and detriments. That would be a bit more expensive. 

On 1/11/2024 at 3:14 PM, Heronext said:

For sure it could be a tool for opening up slabs they want to resubmit, as in crack (melt) - press - resubmit

This coming from someone who has never opened a slab

A new term, MPR?

Or maybe MSR? Melt, swap, reassemble? 

Sorry to be off topic, but could someone tell me if there is a way to set a thread to just 1 daily summary email using mobile (Android)?

I know how to do it on a desktop. 

Thanks 

On 1/11/2024 at 9:15 AM, Point Five said:

I think it was on temporary display in a museum exhibit, not for sale.

 

Would look amazing if they had staged it with decent grade cheapo 12 cent comics in bags and boards. The colors would pop against that blue framework. 

On 1/10/2024 at 8:44 AM, Point Five said:

This vending machine is cool. Love it.

That said, I first saw this posted on Facebook a few days ago, and lots of guys in the comments were saying that back in the day, they put their money in and couldn't get the book they wanted and were bitter for life towards the machine. If you look at the coin-slots-with-goofy-arrows design for like two seconds you can easily see why that's the case.   

 

This was for sale on FB? How much was the asking price? 

On 1/10/2024 at 10:33 PM, mrd160 said:

And you said you weren't good at social media....

Yeah, I'm looking at both copies, and Marvel on the left is about the same distance from the spine on each one. On the 9.0 copy, Johnny's head is closer to the edge than on your copy. If one would be suspected of being trimmed, I would pick the 9.0 copy for that reason.

On 1/10/2024 at 12:11 AM, BrashL said:

So here’s a question for CGC: if GoCollect identifies a slab that was tampered with between sales, will they allow the buyer to send it in for compensation like the current list? Only if it was reholdered?  Isn’t it their responsibility to maintain the integrity of any of their certified comics?  

As it says in the original announcement, if you have any questions, you can email ReportFraud@CollectiblesGroup.com.

I would think you could do that to see what options might be available to you, if you believe the slab you have is suspect.

On 1/9/2024 at 1:04 PM, agamoto said:

If federal law enforcement was involved, they would not tell CGC to tell possible victims to contact CGC. At best, they'd recommend contacting CGC, or the authorities. They would not have people send in possible evidence to CGC for them to crack open and examine themselves. They would not want other parties possibly involved, even at arms length, to delete records, photos,  change certification numbers, etc.

Call in the KGB. Solved immediately. 

On 1/9/2024 at 12:31 PM, mrd160 said:

it feels like this investigation is very similar to OJ Simpson's investigation of the murders....lol Hope I wrong

More like the OJ car chase...in slow motion.