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Marvel Contest of Champions #1 introduces White Fox from the TV series.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Avengers:_Electric_Rain

 

Contest also features the first appearance of Guillotine.

She is on the Gaming cover, fighting Joe Fixit(also his first appearance)

 

 

Hadn't realized this first appearance either. I just read the last page and saw her name mentioned. Two first appearances in one. I ended up picking up a nine pack of variants that had both the Yu and the Kabam game variant. A whole lot of copies of that Yu variant went yesterday.

This isn't the Don Draper Hulk variant?

I like how it has 'Only 1 copy exists' on the label! (thumbs u MLP:FIM is IDW's biggest sellers to date as well.

 

You paid $6,572.50 for that...??!!!! Woowzers.

As Jay said, the proceeds went to charity. And maybe he bought it for his kid? Or maybe he likes owning something nobody else has, or won't have, as long as he keeps it?

Hope this is not another case of "what I collect rules, and what you collect sucks?"

One thing that does bother me is that it's a 9.6. They made a single copy of this book, and they couldn't even take care of it enough to get at least a 9.8? Was Moe, Larry, or Curley manning the press that day?

I hope they mention it's a 3rd print, even though the CGC label doesn't mention it. And if anyone can find a true copper grail, or unicorn, or hens teeth, it would be finding a legit 2nd printing. There are people who will pay a boatload of money for a copy, assuming one exists.

 

Well if there is a third print, logic would be that there is a second print.

You would think so, right? But there's never been a single example found of a copy with "second printing" on it. It goes from first printings, straight into the black spider heads that say "third printing" on the inside. Nobody has solved the mystery yet.

I hope they mention it's a 3rd print, even though the CGC label doesn't mention it. And if anyone can find a true copper grail, or unicorn, or hens teeth, it would be finding a legit 2nd printing. There are people who will pay a boatload of money for a copy, assuming one exists.

3rd. Second prints are pretty much proven non-existent. Unless someone comes forward with one, there's only a first and third printing. Yours is a third print because of the black Spider-Man dome.

Mis-labeled. Go CGC, go!

Here are my top Modern Comic Grails! Only Mouse Guard #1 Comixpress version & Dead @17 B & W continue to elude me thus far.

 

 

If the "1 of 1" is the basis of bragging rights, most comic collectors should shift towards original art... owning the true original production piece where only one exists as opposed to something that is mass produced like a comic book regardless of the scarcity of a CGC 9.8, 9.9 or 10.0, nothing trumps owning the actual original artwork.

I think the OA sold for less in the same auction, if I read it correctly?

Very nice! Congrats!

 

What is the difference between this book and the version with the black costume Spider-Man head? Is the black version the newsstand?

Nope. Mine is a first print direct edition. Black head is a third print usually put in bagged 3-packs. First print newsstand is just a barcode. A second printing is not thought to exist. It's a mystery unsolved.

Here are my top Modern Comic Grails! Only Mouse Guard #1 Comixpress version & Dead @17 B & W continue to elude me thus far.

 

Is this yours? Having a 1/1 of anything is impressive. If it's not yours, good luck finding a the copy.

It's not a modern book, but close enough. I waited for 6 years for CGC to finally grade a 9.8 of this book, and by the time they did, I think the first copy sold for like $3K. I got this one instead, and now I can rest.

Cool book, but is this not a modern ?

 

-J.

Nay. Valiant is pretty much seen as the grand finale of the copper age here. Then the dark age begins.. 1993-1999.

So what's the latest on the hunt for a true 2nd print? Does one still not exist?

 

I believe the universal belief is that it doesn't exist OR it's an unmarked exact reprint of the 1st print (which is highly unlikely in my opinion). Third print was a typo or mistake maybe?

Has anyone asked Hama what's up with the printings? Unless he has nothing to do with the printing end.

 

Yes. The dregs of the comic book universe... those copper people.

 

Just trying to get a line in your signature area.

 

You'd have to say something that you believed was true...

 

"Han shot first."

 

Oh, don't start, man! You have no argument here!

Han shot first. I win I win I win!

Edit: AND I made it into the sig. line!

I'm not trying to be rude but you might be stuck in the past a bit. If you don't deal in new material than how can you be informed about the ever changing comic collectible market? Maybe your definition of a first appearance is simply....um...dated.

Mr. Ween, aside from all this ongoing discussion, this is either an unintelligent remark or you have to explain what you mean by "dated".

It’s not that because I start calling a thing differently than it is, that it changes reality. That’s also the illusion behind a good deal of false reasoning today.

 

RMA may be occasionally "exasperating" in his argumentations, but he is absolutely right here.

 

I don't need to know what came out this week to know that the definition of a "first appearance" in the context of comic books is based on reason, and has been around since the beginning of comics fandom.

 

"My" definition of a first appearance isn't dated, it's just accurate, and based on context.

Precisely. (thumbs u

 

The point is that RMA dismisses a book like Gwenpool's first appearance because it doesn't suit his argument and then claims ignorance because he doesn't deal in new comics. I realize this is a copper thread but damn, some of you guys can't actually admit that even Overstreet describes a first appearance as one that occurs anywhere. ANYWHERE. RMA asked for an example, I gave him a clear one. I'm not sure what more some of you Copperheads need to see. By the way, John Donne is dated too. How do I know this? Because when I'm banging the GF and the throes of passion inspire me to spout the erotic verse of Donne she tells me to shut the fk up and c*m on her face, something infinity sexier and absolutely more modern.

Woah. I'm speechless for once. Bravo, sir!

 

Yes. The dregs of the comic book universe... those copper people.

 

Just trying to get a line in your signature area.

 

You'd have to say something that you believed was true...

 

"Han shot first."

 

Yes. The dregs of the comic book universe... those copper people.

 

Just trying to get a line in your signature area.

It sounds to me like "certain people" have stocked up on (or only own) the much less desirable cameo and/or ad "appearances" of some characters and are upset that they aren't "worth" much (or anything) compared to the industry standard actual first appearances and/or first full appearances of the characters.

 

Everything RMA has said on this subject is 100% accurate.

 

-J.

Man.. I wish I had "stocked up" on Hulk 180's.

 

They can still be had for very reasonable prices. (thumbs u

 

-J.

Maybe in Jaydog money. In dungeon world, affordable, or reasonably priced books are more like New Universe titles.

 

Touche.

 

Although Jaydog money isn't what it used to be either nowadays. Hence why I've been trolling the copper and modern threads of late.

 

-J.

Yes. The dregs of the comic book universe... those copper people.

So what's the latest on the hunt for a true 2nd print? Does one still not exist?

It sounds to me like "certain people" have stocked up on (or only own) the much less desirable cameo and/or ad "appearances" of some characters and are upset that they aren't "worth" much (or anything) compared to the industry standard actual first appearances and/or first full appearances of the characters.

 

Everything RMA has said on this subject is 100% accurate.

 

-J.

Man.. I wish I had "stocked up" on Hulk 180's.

 

They can still be had for very reasonable prices. (thumbs u

 

-J.

Maybe in Jaydog money. In dungeon world, affordable, or reasonably priced books are more like New Universe titles.

It sounds to me like "certain people" have stocked up on (or only own) the much less desirable cameo and/or ad "appearances" of some characters and are upset that they aren't "worth" much (or anything) compared to the industry standard actual first appearances and/or first full appearances of the characters.

 

Everything RMA has said on this subject is 100% accurate.

 

-J.

Man.. I wish I had "stocked up" on Hulk 180's.

Deadworld #10 is a good example where the back cover ad created demand and value for the book

 

No one is arguing that an ad cannot create demand and value.

 

But it's NOT the Crow's first appearance. That is Caliber Presents #1.

So, Hulk 180 ISN'T the first appearance of Wolverine? Is that last panel an advertisement of sorts for the next issue? I will always believe 180 is his first appearance, and that will never change, but I'm with you on the gobbledygook's of the world. Not 1st appearances, but ads.

 

I don't know how to respond to this.

 

 

Everything RMA has said on this subject is 100% accurate.

 

-J.

 

Deadworld #10 is a good example where the back cover ad created demand and value for the book

 

No one is arguing that an ad cannot create demand and value.

 

But it's NOT the Crow's first appearance. That is Caliber Presents #1.

So, Hulk 180 ISN'T the first appearance of Wolverine? Is that last panel an advertisement of sorts for the next issue? I will always believe 180 is his first appearance, and that will never change, but I'm with you on the gobbledygook's of the world. Not 1st appearances, but ads.

Posted before but...

 

Despite my active & passive Valiant collecting (and occasional hoarding) over the last 20+ years, I remain 14 books short of a full VH1 set.

 

One of those books I was never able to get was Chaos Effect Alpha (Red).

 

I can, however, console myself with this:

 

Yeah, that might suffice.

Thank you, sir. Much appreciated. So, would your 10.0 Rai be the Action 1 of the Valiant universe?

Nope, it wouldn't be a copy of Rai #0... but I'm not sure what the correct answer would be... but it might be fun to follow the white rabbit down that rabbit hole.

 

Action #1 was the start of the whole superhero genre.

The single best copy of Action #1 is the "best copy for the first issue of the whole superhero genre".

 

CGC 10.0 Rai #0 can't be the "best copy for the first issue of the whole Valiant universe" because Rai #0 isn't the start of the Valiant universe.

 

The start of the Valiant universe was Magnus #1 from 1991. If there was a single best copy of Magnus #1 it would be the "best copy for the first issue of the Valiant universe". Currently, that's a big tie for the 273 copies graded at CGC 9.8, because there are none higher. There are also 17 copies of CGC 9.8 Magnus #1 (1991) Signature Series... so, you could argue that those 17 are tied, or that whichever one has the "best signatures" might be the best.

 

That all depends on whether signature series books are viewed as "better" than universal books. In terms of "better sale prices", that's true, but not necessarily true in terms of "better published surviving copy" since they were published without signatures years before CGC existed and started witnessing signatures. But then what if a CGC competitor graded a 9.9? Ummm... maybe we should talk about which book is the Action #1 and ignore the best copy in existence aspect for now.

 

We've already made an argument for Magnus #1 (1991) being like the Action #1 for the Valiant universe.

 

BUT...

 

The current Valiant universe doesn't include Magnus, so the first original title in the Valiant universe was Harbinger #1 (1992).

 

So, you could argue that Harbinger #1 (1992) is more like the Action #1 for the Valiant universe.

 

BUT...

 

The Harbinger Foundation and its leader, Toyo Harada, were introduced before Harbinger #1 (1992) in Solar #3 (1991).

 

So, you could argue that Solar #3 (1991) is more like the Action #1 for the Valiant universe.

 

BUT...

 

Rai was the first original character in the Valiant universe, and the Rai (four issue mini-series) was published as flipbooks on the back side of Magnus #5 through Magnus #8.

 

So, you could argue that Magnus #5 / Rai #1 mini-series (1991) is more like the Action #1 for the Valiant universe.

 

BUT...

 

If you're going to include Magnus #5 in consideration for the Action #1 for the Valiant universe, it would be weird to say it started at Magnus #5 instead of saying it started at Magnus #1.

 

That circles the argument back to Magnus #1 being more like the Action #1 for the Valiant universe.

 

BUT...

 

The Magnus stories as published by Valiant (or VALIANT in all caps at the time) specifically included the published stories from the Gold Key Magnus books as canon within the Valiant universe.

 

So, you could argue that Gold Key Magnus #1 (1963) is more like Action #1 for the Valiant universe than Magnus #1 (1991).

 

BUT...

 

Doctor Solar #1 (1962) is older than Magnus #1 (1963), and the Solar in the Valiant universe was "inspired" by the Dr. Solar from Gold Key comics.

 

So, you could argue that Gold Key Dr. Solar #1 (1962) is more like Action #1 for the Valiant universe than Magnus #1 (1963).

 

BUT...

 

The Valiant universe also included Turok Dinosaur Hunter, first seen by Valiant in Magnus #12 (1992), but the character was first published by Dell in 1954 as Four Color #596, aka Turok Son of Stone #1 (1954).

 

So, you could argue that Four Color #596 (1954) is more like Action #1 for the Valiant universe than any more recent comic.

 

 

But no matter which argument you pick, Rai #0 (1992) isn't the Action #1 (1938) of the Valiant universe.

If we compare it to anything, it would have to be more like something from 1939 (or newer) than any book from 1938.

Ok, then it's the Action 1 CGC 9.0 of the Valiant universe. Meaning: most valuable. Well if it's not, it is to me, and you can sell it any time you want to.