Superman2006

On 12/1/2023 at 4:24 PM, jjonahjameson11 said:

On 12/1/2023 at 4:12 PM, buttock said:

Wasn't it $3 when they first started?!?

Last time I did business with clink was back in 2016 and they were charging $35 for the CVA sticker

Not directed at you in particular, but in response to CVA cost comments in general;

Looking at their website, https://cvacomics.com/pricing/ it looks like the prices vary by the "declared value", and can be as high as 2% of "declared value" on items valued at >$3K. So I guess a sticker on a million dollar book would be $20K!  Minimum charge per invoice is shown to be $50.

Just a couple of thoughts to add:

I don't think combining the cover with a coverless would grade as high as a green 4.5.  Think what a blue label grade a book would get due to a complete spine split / detached cover, and then put it in a green label since it would be a married cover, so probably something under 2.0 in green label.

With that said, while it might only get <2.0 green if married, I suspect all Tec 27 values have increased in 2023, given some of recent Action 1 sales (such as the 0.5 and the page 1), and given the sale price of this cover only, so maybe it would still be worth 500K as a green <2.0?

Thanks again, I used to be able to locate sold items on the Metro or CC website, but couldn't figure out how to do that anymore, and then I saw your post.

On 11/19/2023 at 5:27 PM, Dark Knight said:

ComicConnect auction

Ahh, I see. Thanks. I must have missed that auction.

On 11/19/2023 at 5:22 PM, Dark Knight said:

Agreed that this page is the page to own because of its importance. Not sure what kind of content is in page 5, but I also think that the one page where it shows Superman holding up the car exactly like the front cover is pretty iconic.  The last complete coverless copy (CGC NG) sold earlier this year for $126k. So it's either that complete coverless sold too cheap or this single page sold for too much.  That single page is severely brittled too as you can see.  I'd probably pay $20k tops for it in that condition (most likely I wouldn't even if I needed/wanted it), but that's just me.

Who was the seller of the CGC NG earlier this year for $126k?

On 11/10/2023 at 10:19 AM, Number 6 said:

Kind of surprised the sticker didn’t sell for more than the card because with the issue of gum stains and printer roller marks, the population on the sticker is going to rise much slower than on the card. 
 

But the whole “rookie” label being applied to non-sports cards is a porting over from sports cards which (talking old-school sports cards) don’t have comparable speciality cards like stickers so I guess that’s why the card is given priority. 
 

Crazy prices either way. 

As a couple of sports card examples, 1986 Fleer Michael basketball has a Michael Jordan card and sticker, and 1987 Topps / OPC has a Brett the Hitman Hart card and sticker and in each case I believe the card sells for more than the sticker there as well.

I suspect that most books with trimming have at least one edge of their covers trimmed as well.

If that's the case, then the book would need color touch as well, in which case CGC should have a better chance of identifying the fact that work had been done to the book (at least to the cover).

Bringing over one of my comments from the other thread, the Batman #1 shown in your post above no longer has any notes of trimming in the graders notes, but it does now have a notes of "pieces added cover A-5" and "pieces added interior A-3".

I think that if CGC were consistent in their notes and detection of work done that CGC should note "pieces added" on all books that had treatments (leaf casting, or grafting, whatever that is lol) to add back ALL portions of the book that had previously been trimmed off. In that way, I don't find it surprising that CGC would no longer note that such books are trimmed, but assuming CGC detected the work that was done, I would expect to see all such books with "pieces added" notations instead, similar to what we see in the graders notes for the Batman #1 above. In other words, such books should still get a purple label but with pieces added notes, rather than trimmed notes.  

On 11/9/2023 at 2:53 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

That's my point. That's what Mike was actually doing. He was able to dry graft a trimmed edge and CGC could not detect it. He'd done it multiple times. 

 

 

Unless this was done to one of your books where you've seen this done for a fact, is it possible that something was lost in translation, and that Mike just meant that he was able to get the trimmed notation removed, but that it now has a "pieces added" notation like the Batman #1 in your earlier post?

You wouldn't happen to have an example of a book that had a "trimmed" notation in the past, but which no longer has a trimmed or "pieces added" notation, would you? Or even some sample "after" scans of a book which has had such a treatment, would you? I'm curious if one could see the work that was done in a clear scan, or if it is truly next to impossible to detect - at least in a scan; maybe in hand it would still be possible if someone knew what to look for.

On 11/9/2023 at 2:40 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

I edited my initial post. I misunderstood. Mike didn't take the Bat 1 from Purple to Blue, but he did remove the trimming. 

Now imagine a book like this AF15, which is Purple because of trimming and nothing else. Couldn't someone conceivably take it to Blue using his technique? Has this been happening already?

Weird, I've replied a few times already, but my responses aren’t showing up in the thread; at the risk of my prior posts all of the sudden showing up, here it is again;

No, it shouldn't be able to go to a blue label, unless CGC missed the work that was done.

If CGC catches the work that was done then it should get a "pieces added" notation + purple label.

On 11/9/2023 at 2:31 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

On 11/9/2023 at 2:00 PM, Superman2006 said:

If a book was purple for trimming and nothing else and it had leaf casting done to add back what the trimming took off, then I would think it would still state "pieces added" on the label, and therefore still get a purple label.

Again, the trimming was not removed via leaf-casting. It was done with dry grafting. 

Right, but it's still considered "pieces added", and hence it would still get a purple label.

On 11/9/2023 at 1:13 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

On 11/9/2023 at 10:08 AM, Pontoon said:

You mean leaf casting? That's a technique of paper conservation that's been around for decades. Kenny Sanderson was the first person I'm aware of  to develop it as a technique to use for comic restoration, and that was probably a good 20 years ago at this point, maybe longer. Leaf casting will not garner a blue label and I don't recall a Batman 1 that went from purple to blue.

I think Susan Ciccone was doing leaf-casting on comics before Kenny, but who knows? Dry grafting is something else entirely. 

And I misread Mike's post. It didn't go from Purple to Blue, it stayed Purple, but he was able to get trimming removed from the label.

So if a book was Purple for trimming and nothing else, conceivably it could be turned into a book that CGC would grade Blue. 

Seems like a game-changer. But maybe others do it as well?

Is this like the early days of pressing when people were doing it and not talking about it? Has this ever been discussed over in Comic Book Grading and Restoration Issues?

I talked to Mike about the process and was about to send him a book for similar treatment, but then Hero imploded and he went dark. So glad I didn't send him that book.

If a book was purple for trimming and nothing else and it had leaf casting done to add back what the trimming took off, then I would think it would still state "pieces added" on the label, and therefore still get a purple label.

On 11/5/2023 at 8:40 PM, CGC Mike said:

It has been brought to my attention that @Deputy Dan's scores did not get added to the spreadsheet.  He finished high on the list with a score of 19.  I am sorry that this has happened.  

I updated the spreadsheet that I use to track cumulative contest results for cumulative contest rankings.

Congrats @Deputy Dan, I see that you have an average score of 22 over the 2 contests. The cumulative rankings thread I started has a minimum contests requirement = total contest / 2 - 0.25 = 8 / 2 - 0.25 = 3.75, so you don't have enough rounds to qualify for those rankings yet, but if you did, your average score would be good enough for the top 10!

On 11/2/2023 at 8:16 PM, AmbassadorSlip said:

On 11/2/2023 at 8:05 PM, Superman2006 said:

Per Topnotchman's post above, USPS registered mail has a high insurance value limit, and I believe the insurance cost for registered mail is a lot cheaper than the insurance cost for other USPS shipping options. I'm not sure why CGC rep wouldn't have suggested USPS registered to you.

I am thinking this is the best option. My only hesitation is that I've heard that USPS is very difficult to deal with when it comes to claims. Which I hope would not be necessary. I've got four orders in this box and I've decided to break them up and ship each one separately. 

Good luck!

I'm not sure if you can fill everything out online for Registered mail, or if you need to go to the post office to do all that, but for what it's worth, I found a USPS calculator that can give you an idea of the cost;

https://postcalc.usps.com/Calculator/

As an example, plugging in some random area codes, going through various screens, etc., it looks like it came up with a registered / insured mailing cost of $114.20 + usual priority mail shipping cost based on a single package with $40K value.

Per Topnotchman's post above, USPS registered mail has a high insurance value limit, and I believe the insurance cost for registered mail is a lot cheaper than the insurance cost for other USPS shipping options. I'm not sure why CGC rep wouldn't have suggested USPS registered to you.

On 10/31/2023 at 12:35 PM, MrBedrock said:

The first name clearly is "Aocc6u". Clearly.

I could swear I've seen that signature before. I think the first name is "Donald"

On 10/29/2023 at 9:50 PM, woowoo said:

On 10/29/2023 at 9:45 PM, action1kid said:

So the front and covers are not attached

I would say No if you look you can see it's not attached and if it was it would be called Restored.

Technically, if it was attached with tape, I think it would still get a qualified CVR label, rather than restored CVR label, but that would just add damage to the cover; fortunately it doesn't appear as though that wasn't done.

That's pretty cool.  I should have prefaced my comment with "Regarding the Honus Wagner card"

On 10/23/2023 at 1:20 PM, Robot Man said:

On 10/23/2023 at 12:59 PM, sfcityduck said:

Did Lakers owner Jerry Buss at one time own the MH Planet run?

I don’t believe so. He had some comics including an Action 1 I think. Wasn’t he part owner with Gretzky of the famous Honus Wagner baseball card? 

You had the right idea, but the wrong Los Angeles sports team owner; Gretzky purchased the Honus Wagner card with Bruce McNall, who was the owner of the Los Angeles Kings at that time.

On 10/23/2023 at 11:58 AM, Robot Man said:

On 10/22/2023 at 10:18 PM, lou_fine said:

I certainly hope their waiting room is set up with a bed and TV along with a fridge that is stocked up with a ton of food, plus a potty of course, because you just might be waiting a long time to get your book back.      

I’ve only submitted a few books for grading and don’t swim in the deep end of the pool. But what happened to “walk through” grading? 

What was previously the "walk through" tier now roughly corresponds to the "unlimited value" tier in so much as both of those tiers had unlimited value. However, whereas walk through tier used to have a 1 day turn around time (and iirc a 3% fee subject to a max grading fee; maybe even lower than 3% in the early days of CGC), the unlimited value tier has a 2 day turn around (with a 4% fee, and no max grading fee).

On 10/22/2023 at 11:15 AM, GreatCaesarsGhost said:

On 10/22/2023 at 10:18 AM, Robot Man said:

Apparently, once he got tired of the hobby, he stored his books in a hot TX garage. At one time, I owned a handful of mid era FH issues. They were all browned pretty bad inside the covers and I ended up selling or trading them off with no “pedigree” notation…

Excuse my ignorance, but Burrell has now left the hobby? And what about Chuck? Still in business?

Yes, per Chuck's story about discovering / acquiring the Mile High collection that I linked in an earlier post, it sounds like Burrell left the hobby a while back. Chuck on the other hand, is still very much active in the business ( https://www.milehighcomics.com/ )

On 10/20/2023 at 11:56 PM, lou_fine said:

If my elementary school arithmetic is correct, then 4% of $4 million dollars should work out to only $160,000................what is the extra $130 for?    

Per Mike’s earlier post return shipping would be $125, plus a $5 invoice fee I guess. Of course unless the submitter wants to risk shipping a multimillion dollar book with just $100k in shipping insurance, the actual cost might be more like $160,005 + travel costs to/from Sarasota (or possibly more than that if it really graded out at an 8.0, as the last 3.0 and 6.0 sales were $1.5 million and $3 million, so and 8.0 would arguably be worth more than $4 million today)