JTLarsen

You already turned it into a political debate. You literally said things were better when black people weren't complaining about how they're represented in pop culture. I appreciate that you're trying to de-escalate now, but please don't do so by suggesting it wasn't already political. Art is political. Culture is political. Dismissing the concerns of disenfranchised people as being "PC" or "too sensitive" is political. I'm not trying to start a fight, just trying to make the point you ultimately landed on--everyone's entitled to their opinion, so let's try to respect the opinions of those who raise concerns about how they and others are portrayed. Better yet, let's try to hear them out rather than dismiss them. Now...back to comics! I feel a Chris Claremont segue coming on...

In what way was it a better time? Maybe the "people" who weren't so sensitive back then were a little more preoccupied with how much things were worse for them back then, like income inequality, lending discrimination, disparity in life-spans, job discrimination, and little things like that. Maybe, just maybe, the people who you have decided are too sensitive--because they don't want their heroes to be LITERALLY defined by their skin color--are actually able to give this kind of thing a LITTLE bit of attention today because things are actually marginally better today. (And, btw, there were people who called out the names of Black Lightning and Black Goliath then, too. But maybe you think things were better then because those people lacked access to the kinds of platforms where they could be heard). The irony here is that the people on this thread who seem the most sensitive, and the closest to going berserk, are those whose biggest problem seems to be that their comic book characters aren't being done the way they want. Ultimate Snowflake.

33% ackshully, so, yeah.

Was really great to follow your experience at the con. Thanks for sharing.

Just so I'm clear, people are bragging about the expensive watches they own? Grown-up people, I mean?

Not sure if we're counting U.K. comics, but pricewise the L. Miller Captain Marvels and Marvelmans are definitely under the radar.

Where's 410? Shouldn't it have the same value as other non-key Adams interiors?

Levitz. Giffen. Darkseid. Epic.

Is there a definitive list of these? I'm confused, for instance, about Injustice. Someone said it was retitled Injustice: Harley Quinn...but there's a separate one just called Injustice, too. Little help?

Just to clarify, I'm not saying BB60 is undervalued because it's the first appearance of the Teen Titans. I'm saying it's undervalued because (a) 1st Wonder Girl, and (b) enough people MIGHT some day discover that the current "first appearance" of the Teen Titans doesn't have any appearance of a team called "Teen Titans," in which case, BB60 today might look very undervalued indeed.

Yeah, the case for 60 is all in 54--no formation of a team, no mention of the phrase "Teen Titans." But if we're talking undervalued silver, I'd say 1st Wonder Girl is already a pretty good bet even if you DON'T factor in the fact that it's the first time we see a group called the Teen Titans!

Yeah, if you want to sell someone B&B 54, I'd be very careful about saying "1st Teen Titans"...!

Amen. Although there have been some stirrings on this one in recent years. People are starting to get hip to it.

Absolutely agree. The Alan Moore run is underrated as a factor for HOS #92's current value, as well as, of course, his current popularity, his wide usage throughout the DC universe, etc. It's a massive, seminal moment in comics history.

Actually, he is a money maker. Y'know that book we're talking about? Money. Berni had lots of great art and equally/more scary/classic covers. None of them touches this issue, price-wise. Why? It turns out this is the first appearance of Swamp Thing, one of the most enduring and recognizable DC creations of the decade...two movies, TV appearances...and two classic, seminal runs in the comics. People will be buying and reading Swamp Thing by Wein/Wrightson and by Alan Moore long after we're dead. And looking for his first appearance.

Second Hawkman #4. I'd also add Doom Patrol #99--first Beast Boy (Changeling). By no means a sure thing, but a good bet with lots of potential upside is Brave and Bold 60. Not only is it the first Wonder Girl, it's also the first actual Teen Titans (as we've discussed ad nauseam elsewhere, the group doesn't form or get a name in Brave and Bold 54). I recommend it because of what happened with OAW 83. For decades, OAW 81 was considered Sgt. Rock's first appearance--then more and more people realized it was just a prototype. I see the same thing happening here. And even if that never happens, B&B 60 is still grossly undervalued JUST for being the first Wonder Girl!

It's the first appearance of Swamp Thing. It's undervalued.

Gee, an overlooked Neal Adams story with Man-Bat? And only his second Joker story? Can't imagine why they're hard to find!

Catwoman 51. Wonder Woman 184.

As have other of his covers.

You do know he's considered an innovator in terms of comic book layouts, right? Starting with Daredevil. And into, uh, Ronin.

Literally every criticism in here amounts to a matter of taste, unsupported by specific example. The artwork was by no means "murky." And in relation to what comic of the time were the characters underdeveloped?

Miller had done work for DC beforehand. DC Special Series 21, IIRC.

Storyteller was a may zing.