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Grand Comics Database just posted this on FB re 1st appearance. Interesting to see that it reflects more of a swing from past conventional wisdom than I expected.
50 Years Ago This Month: The Teen Titans make their first official appearance in The Brave and the Bold #60 (http://www.comics.org/issue/19203/), cover by Nick Cardy!
The basis for the creation of the Teen Titans began in The Brave and the Bold #54 (1964) featuring a teamup of Robin ( Grayson), Kid Flash (Wally West) and Aqualad (Garth), the sidekicks of Justice League members Batman, the Flash and Aquaman respectively. The team was formed and made its first official appearance under the name of "Teen Titans" in The Brave and the Bold #60, joined by the 4th original member Wonder Girl (Donna Troy), Wonder Woman's younger sister. Later, Green Arrow's sidekick, Speedy (Roy Harper) replaced Aqualad.
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Titans
Teen Titans in the Grand Comics Database:
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New Mutants #18 (first appearance of Warlock) seems to be heating up. People are starting to appreciate The Demon Bear Saga again, hurrah!
But the art was horrendous. This is from memory I haven't read it in a long time.
I hated Bill S's art from that period. It was like he was drawing with psychedelic crayons while on acid. Just weird stuff.
A.K.A. innovative, ground-breaking, influential, genius...
All that could be true. I won't argue it. However, I still didn't like it and didn't think it was suitable for a superhero comic.
My opinion of his work from that period has changed slightly. I can appreciate it more now that I'm older but I still wouldn't say I'm a fan.
I get it. I DO think it was suitable for a superhero comic, because I think anything can be suitable for a superhero comic. And there are lots of artists whose work I don't enjoy, but I recognize their artistic accomplishments and respect the opinions of learned critics enough that I wouldn't call their work "horrendous" just because I don't enjoy it (or, worse, because I'm not sufficiently learned in the field to appreciate what I'm seeing.)
But glad you're able to appreciate it more now...! I'm still waiting for that to happen with me and [redacted]...
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New Mutants #18 (first appearance of Warlock) seems to be heating up. People are starting to appreciate The Demon Bear Saga again, hurrah!
But the art was horrendous. This is from memory I haven't read it in a long time.
I hated Bill S's art from that period. It was like he was drawing with psychedelic crayons while on acid. Just weird stuff.
A.K.A. innovative, ground-breaking, influential, genius...
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I don't understand why NM1 took such a jump. There's really nothing significant about that book. It's not a first appearance.
Same reason Inhumans #1, Iron Man #1, Ms. Marvel #1 (current series), etc saw jumps.
+1
#1 is all it takes, some [most] times.
It's the first issue of their first series. If MGN #4 is the New Mutants' Action #1, New Mutants #1 is their Superman #1. Doesn't seem like a big mystery to me.
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Haha. I couldn't resist.
On a side note. Anyone notice the early Earth-2 JSA x-overs getting a little heat? Is this due to Convergence, or perhaps something bigger? I have not read it yet.
Jay Garrick's helmet was apparently spotted in the Legends of Tomorrow trailer!
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Last night I swept the Penn Station newsstands clear of their Batman 40 issues (regular cover newsstand variants)!
but haven't the homeless people and prostitutes there been using them as toilet paper for the last 2 weeks?
When we've walked through the Penn Station shop tunnels late at night, I've tried to convince my wife how much worse it looked there in the 80s and 90s. Let's just say it's a tough sell.
Night and day. '80s and '90s are to today what today is to Disneyworld.
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GyBrave and Bold 54 may be heating up. Listed my 9.0 OW/W on CLink this past Sunday and it sold today for full boat. $1150.
I shouldn't be surprised I guess. According to GPA a 7.0 closed for almost a grand recently. Maybe it was an upgrade candidate.
And that money won't get any of the BB25's for sale on Ebay currently. Prices have really shot up on that one.... I guess it's also pretty scarce?
63 graded copies of BB 25.
405 graded copies of BB 54.
Yes, but in all fairness 54 has been hyped for much longer, so I guess we should expect more copies of 25 to come forth now... or it is just a tough book?
Logic would have that since it's an older book, from a much less used set of characters... that it will not have been preserved in nearly as many copies. And the CGC numbers confirm that.
Still - I am a bit surprised that it has risen that quickly..?
I think BB25 has peaked. Even with the much higher census numbers, I think BB54 has more potential.
Just a reminder that the Teen Titans don't appear until B&B 60.
True but 54 is still important as it is the origin story of TT.
I'm not sure that adventure was ever established as their origin in canon--do you have a source? It IS, no doubt, important and a prototype or similar listing, at least.
In BB 60, it says that adventure inspired Robin to set up a permanent team. What other origin is there for the Titans?
BB 60 doesn't say that. Not sure if you were part of the hellish quagmire it became, but we had a whole thread on this, complete with panels posted--BB 60 refers back to BB 54, but there's no panel that says they became a team BECAUSE of the events in BB 54. They've had lots of origins over the years, depending on the team, the continuity, etc., etc... I'm sure we'll get a new origin any day now.
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GyBrave and Bold 54 may be heating up. Listed my 9.0 OW/W on CLink this past Sunday and it sold today for full boat. $1150.
I shouldn't be surprised I guess. According to GPA a 7.0 closed for almost a grand recently. Maybe it was an upgrade candidate.
And that money won't get any of the BB25's for sale on Ebay currently. Prices have really shot up on that one.... I guess it's also pretty scarce?
63 graded copies of BB 25.
405 graded copies of BB 54.
Yes, but in all fairness 54 has been hyped for much longer, so I guess we should expect more copies of 25 to come forth now... or it is just a tough book?
Logic would have that since it's an older book, from a much less used set of characters... that it will not have been preserved in nearly as many copies. And the CGC numbers confirm that.
Still - I am a bit surprised that it has risen that quickly..?
I think BB25 has peaked. Even with the much higher census numbers, I think BB54 has more potential.
Just a reminder that the Teen Titans don't appear until B&B 60.
True but 54 is still important as it is the origin story of TT.
I'm not sure that adventure was ever established as their origin in canon--do you have a source? It IS, no doubt, important and a prototype or similar listing, at least.
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GyBrave and Bold 54 may be heating up. Listed my 9.0 OW/W on CLink this past Sunday and it sold today for full boat. $1150.
I shouldn't be surprised I guess. According to GPA a 7.0 closed for almost a grand recently. Maybe it was an upgrade candidate.
And that money won't get any of the BB25's for sale on Ebay currently. Prices have really shot up on that one.... I guess it's also pretty scarce?
63 graded copies of BB 25.
405 graded copies of BB 54.
Yes, but in all fairness 54 has been hyped for much longer, so I guess we should expect more copies of 25 to come forth now... or it is just a tough book?
Logic would have that since it's an older book, from a much less used set of characters... that it will not have been preserved in nearly as many copies. And the CGC numbers confirm that.
Still - I am a bit surprised that it has risen that quickly..?
I think BB25 has peaked. Even with the much higher census numbers, I think BB54 has more potential.
Just a reminder that the Teen Titans don't appear until B&B 60.
And just think how IH 180 is going to heat up when people finally realize that it's the ...
Actually, in your analogy, B&B 60 is IH 181...except that Wolverine doesn't even appear for ONE panel in your IH 180!
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GyBrave and Bold 54 may be heating up. Listed my 9.0 OW/W on CLink this past Sunday and it sold today for full boat. $1150.
I shouldn't be surprised I guess. According to GPA a 7.0 closed for almost a grand recently. Maybe it was an upgrade candidate.
And that money won't get any of the BB25's for sale on Ebay currently. Prices have really shot up on that one.... I guess it's also pretty scarce?
63 graded copies of BB 25.
405 graded copies of BB 54.
Yes, but in all fairness 54 has been hyped for much longer, so I guess we should expect more copies of 25 to come forth now... or it is just a tough book?
Logic would have that since it's an older book, from a much less used set of characters... that it will not have been preserved in nearly as many copies. And the CGC numbers confirm that.
Still - I am a bit surprised that it has risen that quickly..?
I think BB25 has peaked. Even with the much higher census numbers, I think BB54 has more potential.
Just a reminder that the Teen Titans don't appear until B&B 60.
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Is there an emoji for backing up slowly? And why did I, while reading this, hear a voice somewhere in the background saying, "It puts the non-stickered newsstand variant in the basket"?
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I always liked this one.
Yeah. That and the sketch variant of it, and Power Girl 2, will always be in demand.
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I love that Hughes cover. The last issue in that series does pretty well too, issue 27. I'm having trouble posting an image from my phone
Oh, how I love me some AH!
Not Adam Hughes.
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Another vote for Showcase #97. Very underrated in my opinion.
+1 Classic looking cover. A poster image for Power Girl.
Also, I'm not sure anyone considers All-Star 59 a "key." Is it her second appearance? Sure. But key? I don't see it. If we're being really rigorous here, there are plenty of attractive, desirable Power Girl books. But only All-Star 58 qualifies as a "key," I'd have to say.
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Wasn't DKR 1 direct only?
Yes it was. There are no Newsstand copies of DKR
Then the print run would be lower than the extrapolated estimate given earlier, right?
Not really..what was the print run for Dazzler #1? that was a direct market book also.
I know, apples to oranges, but the demand certainly exceeded the print run almost right off the gate with this book.. By 1987 this book was $30 already.. I dont know if it was 150 or 250k, but I suspect that it was up there.
I never saw it coming when I got the memo for it.. No one wrote books like that at the time. Certainly not for the big 2. What the hell is this cover? Did Miller lost his mind? Why does DC want to portray Batman like that?
Dont forget that there were a million reprints of this book in many formats. If someone needed to get their hands on DKR up until the whole DOJ movie hype began it was quite accessible on the Bay for anywhere from $20-40. It certainly is not rare, but the demand for this book was always there. Now more so naturally.
Um, my point was purely one about math. It seemed to me that the earlier extrapolation factored in the presumption of newsstand sales. If not, then the print run would be lower. I'm not saying direct-only would've made it unpopular. Popular or not, that would be reflected in the Capital orders, which we could then extrapolate to the total--now that we know NOT to extrapolate newsstand sales, too.
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Wasn't DKR 1 direct only?
Yes it was. There are no Newsstand copies of DKR
Then the print run would be lower than the extrapolated estimate given earlier, right?
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When she first started to get hot about a decade ago, her 1988 mini-series began to heat up a bit, as did her origin story in Secret Origins (1986) #11, though neither seemed to hold the gains at the time.
Her 2006 one-shot and the first two issues of her 2008 series have Adam Hughes covers, and are in demand.
Showcase 97-99 are definitely keys, but she also makes a cameo in #100.
Yeah, those Adam Hughes covers have been sneaking up there...along with his Power Girl covers for JSA Classified...
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I had heard shops way over ordered on Ronin, which led to a way under order on DKR #1.
But 5,000 copies doesn't seem in the realm of possibility.
What about IG? That series was everywhere. It had to have had an enormous print run.
DKR #1 had 24,100 Capital City orders, which was about 9.1% of the DC market in 1986 according to Standard Catalog of Comic Books.
That means the print run for DKR #1 was about 265,000 copies.
Infinity Gauntlet #1 was 118,600 Capital City orders, which was about 22.1% of the Marvel market in 1991.
That puts the print run for Infinity Gauntlet #1 around 535,000 copies.
I think that number may be high on the Dark Knight #1. While the 1:10 ratio may be a decent indicator on the standard size (& priced) comics of the time, I'm not sure that the newsstands ordered the first prestige format book (at $3.00) in the same ratios. I do remember it was difficult to find a copy of DKR #1 the day it came out, so the book would obviously have been hoarded when it appeared at the newsstands, but I don't recall a huge number of books becoming available after the newsstand release. Just a guess, but I would think there are under 200,000 copies.
Did it get newsstand release??? I thought by that time DC had its line of direct-only books (Camelot 3000 first), which didn't get newsstand distribution and had content that might not be suitable for kids (according to some parents).
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For some reason, I have in my mind that the print run of DKR #1 (1st print) was only 5,000. I couldn't tell you where I would have seen that though. At the time, I was a kid and ordered it through Westfield Comics. (Still have that order form somewhere, heh.)
Well, THAT ain't right.
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Don't be so sure DKR 1 has a big print run. The regular Batman title had a low print run at the time--the character wasn't very popular at the comic shops. It was expensive and when it came time for me to preorder I only had one image, a blocky weird pic of Batman and a female Robin...
Plus, I'm guessing, the Ronin numbers and price point prompted some cautious ordering--which is why they ended up having second and third printings...
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Did Hawkman #4 just shoot up in value??
http://comicbook.com/2015/05/06/arrow-the-flash-spinoff-legends-of-tomorrow-to-debut-on-the-cw-i/
Why??? No mention of Zatanna there.
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has Diamond said if they'll ship more Batman 40 Combos next week...my amazon seller said he didn't get his (hopefully he didn't just turn and burn them on ebay) and maybe next week.
Doesn't sound good, may just cancel my order
I honestly wouldnt worry about them too much.. By the look of it, it seems like they have grossly overprinted the bats 40 combo packs, I wouldnt be surprised if they printed over 10,000.. No way this is the usual 1200-2000
None of this is correct.
How do you know? I mean, the source IS "by the look of it." When has that ever not panned out?
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Why do you find high-grade books objectionable in a forum about comic books?
He's just making a bad joke in the vein of "Oh, so you're butthurt by softcore porn and objectionable images in Sigs? Well I'm gonna be butthurt over high-grade comics. Naaaahhh!".
That makes sense. Except, of course, there ARE understandable reasons for the ones I mentioned and not so much for the ones he mentioned. I guess that's why you pegged it as a "bad" joke!
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Personally I'm offended by all the high grade books people show off in their sig lines.
Would everyone kindly tailor their stuff to my liking?
I don't feel I should be inconvenienced, just others who I find objectionable.
Why do you find high-grade books objectionable in a forum about comic books?
Moderns that are heating up on ebay!
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Not all, but, yeah, some. His Zatanna and Tomb Raider covers also getting some attention.