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5 minutes ago, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

usually  I take more time and care with my writing as well as structure, but this dumpster fire and moaning really has just gotten out of hand. 

I have tried to welcome several with well thought out posts and information, but some there just is no rationale.  

Yes they are currently one of the cheapest.  All the more reason not to complain and destroy what they have going. 

If it were not scalable they would not be doing it. 

Im not moaning. Again, your clearly under the influence of something or just emotionally unintelligent since that is not at all what Im feeling. 

Im keeping it 100%, something that alot of people on here arent capable of doing since they are so scared of what other people think about them. I been told alot of BS in my life and I could care less what a bunch of strangers on the internet think about me. Clearly, you dont though since you keep spamming gifs like some tik tok child and care about your internet image like it means anything.

The reality is that, no CGC is no capable of handling the storm that is coming. The TAT's on bulk/economy keep getting pushed back, unless you pay the tax of $12, which I did and its whatever. Im not mad about it, im not thrilled, it just IS WHAT IT IS. Im merely making a statement and have no emotions about it.

Either that TAT's are going to shoot up like crazy or there will be another unofficial tax coming. There is no universe where everything is going to continue the way it is. CGC can think they can ignore what happen with PSA, but they cant. Welcome to reality to where your feelings dont matter. The reality is that things will be forced to change and CGC does not sound prepared. You can argue how you feel or what you think all day long, but those are the facts.

7 minutes ago, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

Must not have actually read, and understood what was conveyed.  Knew it wasn't worth the effort.  Guess I will go back to watching you newcomers self destructing.. 

Your writing sucks. You went on a rant about how everything is my fault and cgc has no responsibility over everything and for me to get lost. You dont know how paragraphs work or how to get straight to the point. You cant write without a bunch of ranting. Long writing doesnt mean good writing.

CGC is making unrealistic expectations at this point. They are now the only game in town doing bulk at 9 bucks and walkthroughs that are "30 days" for only 20 dollars. Its not realistic at this point. And no, its not scalable in any universe. If PSA cant do it, I doubt CGC can do it. You cant throw more workers and think it will fix itself.

But yes ill happy see myself out. I dont think most normal people want to be around a bunch of bitter old men who can only talk through gifs and cant hold a conversation. There is a reason this guy is what people think of comic book people.

12 minutes ago, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

Ok. First..I would suggest getting to know who you are talking with. 

https://www.cgccomics.com/grading/cgc-graders/

Paul is not just some random Customer Service Rep. He is one hell of a great guy , who is spending some of his time answering jackwagon questions, not because it is his job, but because he has a passion for this hobby , and wants to help some of the others in his workplace deal with these unprecedented times. On top of doing this on his own time, he is helping to train the graders for the expansion.  We will come back to that, but next the mailing situation.  CGC has their own post office. Once your package arrives at Sarasota it is not sitting in a random overloaded USPS facility it is in house at CGC. They haven't exactly made this real clear for the new folks, but the main reason for this was the amount of submissions coming in from comics well before cards were even started and so that the packages could be sorted and secured by CGC employees, which considering the amount they received (especially now) should be appreciated not pizzed on by people who do not understand the shear scope of this monumental task. Could they do better? Maybe, but again these are completely unprecedented times. I would like to see anyone else even attempt to match what they have accomplished.  So back to the expansion.  Yes it does and will take time for them to construct, properly train, and utilize the space staff and deal with the current level of business dumped in their laps , by some who do not give one fecal drop about any of this and are part of this flipping mefirstgeneration. Is it impossible to scale this type of business?  No. Does it take time ? Yes. Those of us who understand this have had patience.  The rest of you come on here cluttering up and slowing down the whole process with constant complaints, calls, messages about how and why you deserve to have your cards/books back now. Just take a step back..pull the silver spoon from your entitled mouths , get off your high horses and deal with it. No one asked you to do this. It was a choice. There are and were no guarantees.  They are currently doing everything they can to step up to the plate, even when the rest are shutting it down. You want faster service PAY for it. Otherwise just wait with the rest of bulk in the back , and quit trying to shout about how it is unfair or proposing ludacris suggestions like lotteries or stopping all to catch up . Only reason this is all seen as a bubble is due to the current influx of glut slabbing of trash that someone else is currently willing to pay to avoid this whole process and when that demand is met.. Poof the market disappears.  If everyone didn't try to rush to fill and feed this it would have been a more steady incremental increase with longevity potential, but this slab it all mentality will lay waste to most of it. If more of you had the GME diamond hands,  I am going to hold this as I love it,  and will not sell mentality you would continue to see an appreciable increase in value over time. Instead of this paper hands buy low sell high and trash it all mentality. No one to blame for the mess we currently find ourselves in than the current thoughts of this flipper, pump and dump schemes hype monsters.  Who most are getting paid by their ads, subscribers, and followers than from these actual flips themselves.  You say you paid to get out.  Awesome.  Good for you. Now just close the rest out and dont let the door hit you on the way out. If you are out, no need to continue to clutter up this place with your insufficiently thoughtless comments, lack of empathy for those who enjoy this hobby, and the rest who are here to share in the community that have made this forum the wonderful place that it was before all of this influx of people who should just... 

 

 

 

Anything to add @Buzzetta?

Are you drunk? I didnt say anything of what your talking about. All i read was a long rant of a butthurt dude who doesnt know what hes talking about.

9 hours ago, Arev said:

For sure. I see many 1k bulk orders being sent in. Another problem is that I do like they have expanded cgc size but what it comes down to is that there isn't enough workers. Well qualified workers to do grading.

The issue is that its virtually impossible to scale this type of business. You cant scale card grading, pure and simple. Since card grading is such a niche skill, you cant just hire infinite workers. And the thing is that the card industry isnt going to grow forever. These companies are going to have major layoffs at some point since its not something that is going to grow indefinitely and there will be a crashing of the bubble. Pokemon was in a bubble during the 2nd generation and when 3rd gen hit, a bunch of cards took a hit and lots of businesses closed shop. Its fad status officially died out and its going to happen again at some point since like any fad, it doesnt last forever.

Like I know Paul is just a customer support rep and he only gets so much info from management, but Im shocked he hasnt just quit by now  since behind the scenes, I cant imagine it being pretty. Its going to suck if you live in Sarasota and rely on mail since their mail system is on track to being really screwed up. And CGC not addressing this, yeah we are looking at a really bad situation pretty soon. And the mail opening being from early March, like I dont see how they think thats normal. But whats crazy is that, its going to get 10x worse than where its at now and with no response, yeah Im 100% glad I paid and pulled out. People arent listening to me and thats fine since its their life, not me, but wow Im so glad I paid the unofficial price tax and got my stuff back LOL My bulk/economy from february would have came back around 2050 if I didnt.

7 hours ago, Drewbydoo said:

Well, they should pay attention to PSA whether they follow in their footsteps or not. It's better to learn from other people's mistakes than your own. Also since this is my first post and it's on a thread about TAT estimates that I paid almost 3 months ago for a service that is now going to be 300% slower than estimated. They probably are making a good business move by taking their time with growing. But it's a bad look and they seem apathetic to the situation. Personally I will steer people away from them in the future like I would a contractor who cant meet their estimates. Whether they are a good company overall or not (especially compared to other garding company's) I'm not sure, but my personal experience has been poor. 

To be fair, Paul is just a customer support rep and not a main decision maker, so its not like what hes telling me is really what the company means.

The work CGC does in itself seems fine. Im not in love with their methology behind how they get the grading score (since it seems like a bunch of made up BS) but overall, service itself is fine I guess? Not really much different than any other grading company really. Most grades seem kinda consistent but then some are just extremely subjective.

In terms of how they are handling orders, yeah its making no sense. The fact that I can pay them 12 more bucks and have an order that wouldnt get done in 3-4 months get magically moved to grading and shipped 2 weeks later, is extremely sketchy. There was basically an unofficial price spike it seems like. And when they are giving out lower grades and their high end stuff isnt hitting similar values to PSA, yeah I cant see myself running it back with this company. Like dont get me wrong, I dont like PSA at all since I dealt with them and its miserable, but at the same time, if they are offering the most money resale wise and both these companies are headaches to deal with, well I guess then Im just going to go where the most money is if customer support sucks all over.

Also CGC only grading Pokemon/MTG and having Sports being a seperate company is another reason I wouldnt go back. Im personally getting sick of Pokemon outside of selling it and am starting to shift more towards Yugioh since its criminally undervalued and the crowd is less drama in general, but CGC isnt adding Yugioh anytime soon, or if they did then its another 2 years of TAT LOL. So I might start hunting down only high end Yugioh and Pokemon and paying 75 with SGC. 1 week turn around time and no BS, they were on point. Even with a walkthrough with CGC, it took me 3 weeks to get a 9 on a Charizard VMAX Shiny that had zero issues and would easily be a 10 or a 9.5 with another company. It just seems like the boat has sailed on CGC. They started off good but like anything, they were ruined by social media.

1 hour ago, bulldog1986 said:

And I think you're being an opinionated jerk who's entitled little self esteem seems to come out in a tough guy personality on the internet. You do you boo boo, let us do whatever the hell we want with our time and money as we see fit. You don't like that? Pound sand.

im not acting tough at all. i made a reasonable suggestion and your being offended by it.  what the hell is wrong with you? i feel like your projecting a bit since im not getting my panties in a twist over someones opinion while your raging out for no reason. you can do whatever dumb stuff you want. im trying to be helpful but it seems like people enjoy being cheap and petty, so suit yourself. go back to your circle jerk since you seem to care less what anyone thinks and nobody is changing your mind.

Bulk Received 12/29

Status: your screwed

I asked paul if how cgc will respond to the influx of new business from psa. he said cgc will hire more people and not care what psa is doing

thats exactly why i paid to cut the line for my 5 other submissions. a dumpster fire is in the making

11 minutes ago, SilentMonkee said:

It's your opinion but it's not common sense.  Your comment "That seems silly that you care about 700 when your sitting on 5-6 figures worth of cards."  is anything but common sense.  $700 in my scenario buys speed, which I don't need.  That is the same thing as throwing money away, because I gain nothing I want from it.   I read that you flip cards for a living, that's not my scenario.  I agree standard sub works for you and it's a good deal to pay $6 more to cut 4-5 months of waiting time.  I plan to do nothing with my cards.  I haven't paid for cards that aren't being graded.  The wait time actually means more money in my pocket.  5-6 figures while might seem a lot to some folks, my stock portfolio moves that much when I refresh, so at the end of the day if 1200 of 1st edition base set cards are worth nothing 30 years from now and I saw it wrong, so be it.

yea i think ur just being a cheapskate then.

2 minutes ago, OdinsSecrets said:

Is that actually true? I am not a lawyer (obviously) but I thought that if someone just takes a scan or photo of an existing object with without changing it or adding to the 'art' in some way there is no new copyright?

Not that I would want to go to court over it with CGC, but I am curious...

if you use a cgc photo and dont pay $10, the cops will show up and they will put you behind the bar. im a licenced lawyer who graduated #1 at u of phoenix, so pay me 10k and ill bail u out in case u screw up

11 minutes ago, bulldog1986 said:

It seems even more silly that you're attempting to tell other people how to spend their money lol. He told you he doesn't feel the need, stop pressing your opinion. I'm in the same boat as him, submitted under economy and another under bulk, I've had these cards for over 20 years, another year waiting for a grade isn't going to hurt me at all.....

Fine dont listen to me. Common sense offends you so Ill stop pointing out the obvious.

1 hour ago, PaulS. said:

We are focusing on what we are doing, not what others are. We are continuing to hire, and accelerating our transition to our new building to allow for easier and quicker growth.

 

Paul

I get that but if PSA, the largest grading company in the country cant scale or take on the massive volume of business, how is CGC going to do so? 

Is there going to be increased pricing or TATs? Since I cant see business remaining the same with the current market conditions.

1 minute ago, nickdrizzle said:

you technically dont cut the line or have your received date grandfathered in, you move to the back of the tier you select  

I paid to be bumped up from economy to standard. The order was worked on and shipped back to me within a week. The other 5 orders I had got moved over to grading/quality control and will probably be done by next week.

Not sure who told you about how the queue system works, but it seems like to me when you give CGC more money, work magically gets done. Your pile that would sit there for 5 months is now done in 2 weeks.

They should have never had super low prices to begin with. 8 dollars to grade a card within 20-30 days, or even 50-60 just sounds insanely unrealistic now a days. I guess 100-110 days sounds more realistic, but even then, when they are now officially the only game in town, still sounds too good to be true. Its more like CGC is making unrealistic expectations than anything. Its like how my neighborhood said they would give out pizza to everyone the other day. Yeah that sounds nice, but with 100+ apartments in the neighborhood, it just didnt make sense and it wasnt a shocker that people didnt get pizza.

1 hour ago, nickdrizzle said:

it was a joke, i can read. i'm just pissed that his shipment will prob take priority over my econ submission that i sent in jan (and already paid for). and even if i adjust tiers, my order will still be moved behind his according to cx

Just pay more and cut the line. I know it sucks, but its better than waiting another 5 years to get your cards back. The price of grading went from 8 to 20 unofficially basically. 8 is only if you dont care if your cards dont come back this year.

And I cant imagine what is going to happen now with the billion new orders that are about to hit the system. 20 dollars will look like a steal within the next few weeks lol.

1 hour ago, nickdrizzle said:

Don't get your hopes up... plan for a nice Christmas present

He said standard not bulk lol. Standard has been taking me around a little over a month at the moment to get things back. But with PSA shutting down and now SGC upping their pricing, CGC will get slammed and TAT's are going to be affected, so 3 months is probably accurate.

7 minutes ago, Toybot said:

Patience....

 

OK!

 

Misty's Tears were altered in JAPAN CAUSE IT HAS HER NAKED. NAKED.

 

NAKED.

FULL BOOBY HENTAI FAN FICTION NAKED.

 

JAPAN changed it, NOT THE USA.

 

JAPAN CHANGED IT BEFORE ANY ENGLISH SPEAKER EVER SAID THE WORD POKEMON.

 

Explain that please and for Gaze with the Middle Finger, Grimer Looking up a Skirt, and Koga's Ninja Trick Swat Symbol Change to whatever the new symbol is.

Cause Japan did ALL THAT before 1999 when it was released for international markets.

They never changed it in Japan. There was never another printing with new artwork. Again, you dont realize that in US releases of anime or TCG relates things that alters occur all the time. Its not some pokemon exclusive thing.

Nothing was banned. Its a gimmick made up to sell a bunch of crappy japanese cards. You been lied to your whole life. Enjoy your profits but know that the art wasnt banned. A change in localization isnt banning something. Its literally that, an alteration for a different audiance.  There is nothing special about it since its a common thing done in the industry.

13 minutes ago, Toybot said:

Explain why a 1st Edition Charizard, which meets all the criteria you just layed out, is worth more than say literally any card that was printed as many times?

All those cards I listed off are changed prints. I.E in the middle of the run, the artwork was CHANGED. Moo-moo/Jynx being a bit different. If you look at US version of Moo-moo, the reprints are not based on the first Japanese one, INCLUDING JAPANESE REPRINTS, not the banned version I have.

I think you are getting too tied up in semantics in using the Word "Banned."

Would you prefer "Altered"? "Mid Run Change"? What? Cause I feel the problem lies with that I am using the word Banned here and you won't show any flexibility to let that include any reason outside of gameplay.

Its common for alot of anime to be altered to US audiances and same with TCGs. Yugioh was literally rewritten for a completely different demographic. The world banned isnt close to appropriate. None of these cards had reprints and never will regardless of what their art is. Its just all made up and a myth like poke gods being under bills house or mew under the truck. You do you. I dont care how you make your money. Im just saying that an artwork that had no US release and was never banned from japanese tournaments or was never planned to be reused in the first place was never banned to begin with.

12 minutes ago, Toybot said:

Ok- Last Time I am Saying This.

You are talking about GAMEPLAY banned cards.

I am talking about ARTWORK banned cards.

These are 2 VERY DIFFERENT THINGS and are banned for VERY DIFFERENT REASONS.

Collectors have not, do not, and will not ever care what is good at the game otherwise Charizard would be WORTHLESS.

Collectors care about a multitude of other factors, Gameplay(and any cards Banned because of it) is not even on the radar.

The only time I can think of a GAMEPLAY banned card being worth anything to collectors is if it made the print limited. Sure, those would have collectors value but again for differing reasons.

 

The artworks never had plans of reprints in the first place. Outside of evolutions, supreme victors and dragon majesty, they dont reuse or reprint old artworks from the earlier generations. They are just as banned as base set blastoise in that they dont reprint old artworks in the first place. Moo moo milk is never going to be in standard ever again, regardless of its artwork. Same with all the "banned trainers". They had zero plans to reuse the artwork and they were never banned from tournaments, so its all a myth.

Its a bunch of BS made up to hype up old garbage. Anyone who pays money for it isnt bright to began with and has zero comprehension of how card production works.

3 minutes ago, Toybot said:

You are in-correct. Japan changed Misty's Tears Art.

Japan Changed Koga's Ninja Trick- which funny enough made the revision more rare cause it was done later in the run.

Sabrina's Gaze was also changed in Japan.

Jynx is Purple from Outside Japan, which was Black 98 and earlier in Japan. One year before international release Japan began making Jynx more Purple. This is an alteration and everyone who knows about it agrees. I disagree with those who say the Coro Coro ones are banned cause those are just cards normally exclusive to Japan without any outside Japan printings of the same card/art/anything.

Moo-Moo Milk is indeed banned as Japan has altered all future iterations of Moo-Moo Milk to be more inline with the International artwork. Plus man, I was picking those up for $5-8. Now I can't win an auction under $25 on them. What a price increase.

These are not rumors. Go look it up yourself. If you like, later I can send an upclose picture of Misty's Tears then tell me if you think it was appropriate for kids to have such Graphic Cards, ESPECIALLY in the mid 90's.

 

Again- you can scream all the way around the world that X card is better at the game, collectors don't care.

They arent reprinting those cards in standard ever again. Most trainers from the 2nd gen arent making any appearances in tournaments anymore in the first place since trianers are now supporters and the rules behind them have changed dramtically. Im thinking someone out there is peddling a bunch of lies or collectors are just dumb since what your saying makes zero sense. There was zero plans ever reprint cards from that era to begin with.

Im not screaming anything. Im just stating the facts. Its not my fault that there is a large amount of people who want to live in a different reality. What is actually banned in the Pokemon TCG arent any of the cards you bought. Its just a bunch of made up stuff. If you want to capitalize on a bunch of lies, be my guess. I personally think its too cringy for me to bother.

1 minute ago, Toybot said:

Well we are just talking about 2 VERY different types of banned here my friend.

Have you seen Misty's Tears Up Close? She's not just naked, she's FULL BOOB (Front, Top, Side) naked. It's literally almost Hentai. I am a little worried to even post an upclose picture of the art cause it literally is almost Hentai.

I am sorry to say but collectors tend not to care about what's good in the game. Technically every energy card is more useful than a 1st Edition Base Charizard(boy, Charizard did suck so much didn't he?) but look at the price and tell me game play has any real world effect on collectors pricing? I am not too aware but I heard prior generations where cards were good at the game were priced pretty high but as soon as it rotated to the next set, prices fell like a rock and pretty much stayed there. My Jungle Scyther(arguably one of the best pokemon in vintage) is not worth alot just cause it's good at the game.

Just is what it is.

They were never banned in the first place. Thats a myth. Cards being edited for american release doesnt mean the japanese version was banned. Japanese cards were never tournament legal in the united states in the first place. In Yugioh, they edited a ton of cards for the american release. Cards like call of the haunted, spell binding circle, monster reborn, dark magician girl, etc. were all edited from their japanese counterparts. That doesnt mean the japanese cards were banned since they never were allowed in american tournaments in the first place. And they werent banned in japan, so its just a bunch of BS in the first place. Its no different than the poke gods from the GB games that were just rumors and just made up stuff.

And scyther had 3 printings. It was a regular rare and a holo and it was reprinted in base set 2. It wasnt expensive. Most of haymaker was rares, uncommon trainers, and the only foil was hitmonchan from the starter deck. The Pokemon TCG has never been expensive in its existance. Most of the cards get reprinted or are never high rarity.  Most tournament cards never get expensive since they get reprinted into oblivion. 

7 minutes ago, Toybot said:

Man, you just aren't aware how amazing Yaris are. They are like the 86 of our time. I was lapping Porches on HPDEs in one cause my STi was down. RWD is an over valued platform for most people. FWD is just so much more fun, especially in sub 3000 pounds. RWD feels more like a chore -.-0 Careful not to overlift! Careful not to Trail Brake too much! Careful not to get back on the gas too hard! Careful not to blah blah blah. FWD don't give 2 fs, Just brake hard into a trail brake and smash the gas, hit the apex with a big s eating grin- what makes it so fun.

 

I did say several times I am not in the flipping game right now, correct? I hustled in the OG so I know what you are talking about those small gains is all it is, just done as many times as you can. I get it.

But- again, I am not in the FLIP game anymore. Like you said, it only makes so much money now compared to a normal job. And unlike a normal job, there's no stability. I simply changed my assets from some of my Silver(not my good stuff like Mint Fresh 1944 and under silver coins in rolls[dime, nickel, quarter, half and full dollar or Silver ATBs). I barely spent a penny of my liquid cash on any of this.

So far, I have double-tripled my value in a week. Again- ON A LONG INVESTMENT. I am happy

Didnt you just buy a bunch of "banned" cards? Which btw arent banned. I hate when people say that since its total bogus. Banned cards would be like Ghetsis or Sneasel. They never banned Moo Moo Milk or Sabrina's Gaze. They changed the artworks before they came to the US. They were never banned from tournaments. Slowking was a banned card. Shaymin EX is now a banned card in extended. There was no point where they banned Misty's Tears or Grimer in Standard nor were the artworks "banned". Lots of stuff marked towards kids in the US from Japan has had artworks redid.

Too soon? I know Paul your doing your best and you probably have very little say over the decision making, but any idea of whats going to happen? Will CGC get their mail boxes destroyed or is there some plan in place for this?

5 hours ago, Keith Frantz said:

With turnarounds times tripling, & competitors closing their doors to catch up.... is the plan to do the same or capitalize on the guaranteed increase in business further setting those of us who have paid 3 months ago even further back?

Nah. They are going to take your cards and mail them to me. Sorry you didnt read the 20 pages of TOS, but according to the majugaly tengo line sector g, it says that customers who mail in their cards today will get sucked into a wormhole and then have the cards teleported to my house....

Nobody knows whats going on. If I have to guess, either TAT's are going to be crazy long or they will shoot up their prices. I paid to cut the line a while ago since I had a feeling that pulling out made the best sense.

15 minutes ago, Toybot said:

One of my favorite cars of all time is a 2008(not 2009 with all the added garbage like ABS) Yaris Hatch. MAN what a neutral and predictable car. I would take off ramps sideways in that thing all day long. What a blast. Even more fun to edge away from cars like GTRs on the ramps to watch em fly by and having that bragging rights of how long it'll take for em to pass on the straight.

I was 13. I knew nothing about stock. I never claimed I made the 100% best choices in life, only I did the best I could given my circumstances.

I started off wanting to play. You know how hard it was to ever play cause you couldn't afford a full deck? Then to find out you had some skills to help you attain those cards and gather a collection?

BTW, My Mr. Mime Deck would wreck you, it wrecked everyone.

I am unfamiliar with stocks. What stocks can I have at home to look at? What stocks can I buy now and expect to be around in 25 years? What stocks can I hand down to my child?

I am all 3 catagories. Player, investor, collector. Rare, but true. Look at my boxes as proof

Do I play Pokemon today? Nah, I like Digital TCG games more like Hearthstone. Sorry, Digital just brings a game mechanic dynamic you can not have with physical cards. Plus I play for free in the Battlegrounds so :P 

But my kid is 4 1/2, he is starting his own collection. When he's old enough to read and know how to play the game I am sure I'll pickup whatever generation of TCG Pokemon to play.

 

Btw, some of my brothers collection:

As you can see, he is very happy he listened to me 20 years ago.

I own a Yaris. Its a boring car lol. Wouldnt say its my favorite. Its reliable, it does what it needs to do, but its not exciting in any universe. Its not the car of my dreams nor is it something that people should aspire to. I dont know how you can brag about toyotas with a straight face. Hondas are at least semi luxury and are cheap. But nobody really brags about Hondas either.

I dont feel like you really played the game either since the haymaker deck, the tier 1 deck of the game, wasnt expensive. It was mostly rares and starter deck cards. You like many kids like myself just didnt know what we were doing. The only semi expensive deck was Rain Dance Blastoise just because you needed 4 Blastoise from Base Set. I cant think of any haymaker cards that were remotely expensive. The Pokemon TCG has never been and will never been an expensive TCG. Its the cheapest out there.

Stocks like anything is something you need to learn. Im not a stocks expert, but on average, even the person with the least knowledge can find a way to get 5-10% returns. And thats what you got with Pokemon. 5-10% at best. Thats extremely average. Thats why I face palm when people think Pokemon returns are crazy. With inflation and the opportunity cost, they are just average with more work involved. Nothing to write home about what so ever.

19 minutes ago, Toybot said:

Ok- This will be the last response and I am done.

1- Yes I did showcase you those boxes(as well as slabs of 1st edition stuff, do you not see that 1st Edition Blastoise?). You thought I didn't know they were 1st edition just cause I was too lazy to type it all out. That or you are not participating in this discussion in good faith and I got sinked into a twitter talk. Pick, both are not great.

2. Accept it. People 20 years ago told me it was dumb to get those Fossil and Jungle 1st Editions because they printed more of those than ALL of Base 1st edition AND unlimited. That was THEIR ARGUMENT. That if I wanted to buy something worthwhile I should just buy unlimited Base. I believe 100%, based on my talks so far with you, that you are EXACTLY that same type of person doing the same today. Go ahead, keep doing you. I will do me cause it works for me.

3. Like I would auction off 20k and let them take 10% on a single item. I know how to sell my stuff, and boy do I have stuff. You do not even want to know how much ammo I moved last year. Begins with M.

4. Again- like I would let an auction house take my money at 10% on a 20k item  

5. I was the guy in 2019 saying that. I was watching China. I pay attention to international news. If you paid as much attention as I was, you would have seen it too. I wasn't sure back then how bad it was gonna get but I saw the writing on the wall and acted as best as I could.

Edit: I forgot to reply to the part about "it can get ya a Toyota lol". Did you not read? I paid less for a box than a decent bike would cost me at the same time period, that same box NOW can get me a NEW CAR. And you're response is it's not a en Tesla? You sound ultra privileged you know? The best car we had growing up was some smoke stanked 1980's Ford Taures growing up. I think I'm doing pretty damn good, Tesla or not... 

Now listen, again this is the last time I am going to respond if you're next one is going to clearly ignore what I put effort into trying to tell you. Too many times you skimmed through what I was saying and thus do not even understand.

Leave the twitter Clap Back, Snap Back talk or I'm just not gonna share anymore.

I own a toyota. Its a boring car but it is what it is. Its not exciting but at the same time its not worth bragging about. But my point is that your returns are on a similar level of the stock market and you think its impressive. With the stock market, its clicks of a button. With cards, you have to package them up and ship to them auction house and wait to get paid. Its just not as impressive as you think.

You could have bought some stock and had similar outcomes. Thats why im not very impressed. You could have worked less and gotten similar, if not more money. This is why I cringe when people talk about Pokemon as an "investment". Stop. Play with the cards, have some fun with them, learn the game, whatever. But please stop pushing it like a stock. Please stop bragging about your OCD lead to you making money. Dumb luck, nobody should do it, run if you read this. It hurts my brain and thats where I will leave it.

5 minutes ago, Ron Churches said:

Why are you guys trying to tell the dude who's holding the bag that he doesn't know how to do it? I really question why a lot of people are in this hobby. Takes too long to grade and the bubble is gonna pop and ruin all the value. Maybe you guys should exit now and find something happier to do.

This is much as a hobby as watching netflixs. Can we stop calling it a hobby lol? Hoarding cardboard isnt exactly a real pastime. Im sure people will disagree and call me dumb, but lets try to keep it 100%.