50 Cent #II (1st)

Fat Freddys Cat in high grade is a very difficult series to collect. There is only 1 CGC graded copy of this book(the Haight Ashbury pedigree which went for roughly 55x guide).

 

 

 

 

I was wondering if you were aware this is the second printing of Fat Freddy's Cat #1? I only ask because it appears the rest of the books you are posting are first printings.

This was one of the comix that had a lot of info. lost in the old forums (all the Freak Brothers additional printings of the #1 was probably the biggest loss). I found differences in the back covers of this series that added an additional printing that wasn't posted before, if I recall correctly.

Eh, not good, not bad. If you liked B v S, you'll probably like this. Theater was 50% filled and there was no applause when it was over. There's a mid credits scene which refers to the Justice League movie, but much of the audience wasn't interested in staying to watch it. What's the deal with Boomerang? What abilities does he have that would make him part of that group besides throwing a boomerang well?

That'll teach them to post an average score of other professional reviewers...

http://comicbook.com/2016/08/02/dc-fans-create-petition-to-shut-down-rotten-tomatoes/

Rotten Tomatoes score went from 20% to 33%. Uh oh, at least it's going up.

For those that aren't aware, S. Clay Wilson's wife posted on Facebook that S. Clay is in the hospital, please keep him in your thoughts.

Yeah, I bought one of the Head First miscut Zap Comix #2 (1st print) Donahue file copies from Dan that included a signed certificate of authenticity (not sure if the other copies had the cert.) by Donahue and Fogel. That was a good year for Undergrounds, probably the peak of the little resurgence. Think I picked up all the remaining copies of the Freak Brothers #1 (pink paper edition) remaining stock that Dan had that wasn't numbered or came with the certificate that SDCC. Here's one on eBay. I used to pick up all the FB#1(pink paper editions) that would show up on eBay because there was on 1,000 copies, very low for a comic book. But stopped, this one's been on there for a long time and nobody's bought it. If you don't have a copy, you might want to pick it up, even though this one doesn't appear numbered or have the cert.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Collected-Adventures-of-the-Fabulous-Furry-Freak-Brothers-Pink-Edition-rare-/161796409221?hash=item25abd14785:g:WrwAAOSwHnFV0P9G

Lee Marrs has self-published a collected edition of Pudge The Blimp Girl and is available at Amazon.com. I think it's a collected edition, maybe with some new content? Lee was the first woman to be simultaneously working for Marvel and DC.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1534775994/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Might be an interesting article in Raw Vision for some of you regarding Underground Comix artist Mark Beyer. For some reason unknown to me, his few comic books out there command high prices, yet very little is known about him. http://rawvision.com/articles/mark-beyer-letting-out-id

Most have probably seen this, but for those that may have missed it regarding Star Wars influences. Valerian. http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/movies/a15532/heres-what-star-wars-took-from-valerian/

Pretty awesome video comparing shots of classic 70s and 80s movies

 

http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/side-by-side-comparisons-of-stranger-things-and-its-movie-inspirations

 

Warning it has major spoilers in it.

 

I finished last night and it has become one of my favorite seasons of tv of all time.

 

just 8 really solid if not perfect episodes. I know im partial because i grew up with all that but it was just awesome

Nice, but that final scene is from Aliens, not Alien with the kid stuck against the wall, wasn't it?

I just watched the extended edition and was wondering. Do we know what Lex was doing in the ship in the red liquid with the large gray creature with the 3 squares when he gets captured after Doomsday is killed?

Anyone know if Arnie went to the SDCC this year? Usually he posts something before hand but I don't see anything by him lately.

Anybody ever come across this sort of mutant Plymell Zap #1? This was printed without the yellow! As you can see by the vividness of the blue ink, this is an intended or experimental variant. Perhaps the only one in existence and is in vg/f condition. Any idea of a value to put on it?

 

They used two different color blues on the first print. A small portion of the 1st print had a blue that Crumb didn't like and so during the print run they switched to a different blue. I forget which shade of color (the light or the dark blue) was the rarer early portion of the run.

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I am curious about the following assumptions...

 

1. If a book has pages out of order, it must be an earlier printing (e.g. BA 1)

2. If a book has matte (or glossy) cover stock, it must be an earlier printing (e.g. FFFB 2)

3. If a book has an ad for an ealier underground, it must be an earlier printing (e.g. FFFB 2)

4. If said ad is slightly lower quality, then it must be an earlier printing (e.g. FFFB 2)

5. If a book has a manufacturing defect, like a rolling blotch of color or a roaming print line, it may be an earlier printing (e.g. FFFB 1 or 2)

 

While some of these were established via data sources some 50 years ago (and by an author that had far more 1st hand information)... why assume that this is always the case going forward?

 

My MAIN problem is that the F UGG15 sets these as certainities for BA 1 and FFFB 2 (AKA distinct printings; sans #5 of course), when in reality it is conjecture.

 

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1. BA #1 is pretty easy, white box was considered 1st print. I found pages out of order. Dave Moriaty states he was the printer and kept samples. States the red box is the 1st print. I find a red box version that has pages out of order. Therefore conclusion, red box with pages out of order is 1st, white box with pages out of order 2nd print. Find early printings with pages in correct order. Find all later printings with pages in new order. Therefore pages in correct order goes before pages in new order and after pages out of order printings. Then use JK info. to try to place in order that correlates to probable order. Errors possible like missing printings, of course. My input is far better than the original JK listing, yes. Sorry, if I'm a bit of an A**, but some of this just makes sense and I really found some of the people trying to state that my input was wrong when evidence shows it was far more correct than the initial info. found soured me a bit.

Here's what I know about the JK guide. One of the people that is referenced in the JK guide told me he kept hand written notes on the printing from what he found. Some of those notes were used to make up the info. on R. Crumb's Comics and Stories (he still had about 80% of the issues which he had taken his notes from). JK didn't research it at all and just used the notes. The notes were wrong. The new Fogel Guide states all the 35 cent printings are the same, that's wrong also.

2.-4. As I stated, FB #2 is one that will not make sense in printing order. If you go by the ads inside, they do not match with other details on the cover or elsewhere. The big discovery I made was that the Rainbow Edition is not the first print, but variants of the first 3 printings. How did I figure this out. By remembering a post by the biggest Underground Collector around, Bruce S. He stated that there were more than one printings of the Rainbow edition of FB #2. I then began to examine a large collection of FB #2 (the guy told me that Bruce many years earlier came into his shop and did similar with measuring staple placement, paper type, etc., for his entire stock of Undergrounds). I purchased many more copies of FB #2. I purchased multiple copies of the Rainbow edition of FB #2. I found that there were rainbow editions of the 1st 3 printings (someone else pointed out that a later pink paper edition also had a rainbow variant, but since that wasn't the 4th print it didn't involve a continuous run). As I stated, I don't have the definitive printing run and I gave Dan my opinion (I suggested a 1st/2nd printing and 2nd/1st for the guide, he chose what you see), my main contribution was that there was more than one rainbow variant and they are part of the same print run (so the rainbow isn't the first, but a variant of the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, thanks to the info. Bruce S. had posted that I then further researched. So the current Fogel guide is again, far closer to the proper print run than the JK, is it truly correct, probably not. Is it more correct, absolutely. I'm always open to more input to show further info. being added to these forums to increase the guide's facts, but for me I lost a lot of the drive when people thought that even with the info., my contributions didn't add up. Oh well... If you want to use the JK guide for FB #2, go ahead. But if some day someone asks you why the inside back ads are different for your rainbow 1st print than their rainbow 1st print, you can explain that the JK guide is correct and their copy doesn't exist or something similar...

5. Moriaty states he was the man printing the the FB #1 1st print and states that a black blotch appears on the first true print of FB #1. I keep my eyes out for a blotch to show up on a FB #1 1st print. I see one show up on eBay and notice the biggest collector of Underground Comix paid a lot of money for what seemed like a poor copy of it. Makes me think maybe this is more than just talk. I find a copy myself. It matches the 1st printing info. plus has black blotch. Using Moriaty's info. and an actual copy I have in my hand I can assume he is correct and don't doubt his word any longer.

Here's 2 more that don't appear in the new Fogel. Both early Gary Panter Undergrounds.

The A**hole (1979 or 1980). I have a copy, it has what appears to be a signature of Panter at the top of page 1, but it's printed there with the same ink as the rest of the book. When searching for other copies, I came across a video I posted on YouTube of an interview with Robert Williams. He opens up his early copy and the signature is not there. So that I assume is a 1st print, the signature is the 2nd print and a later professionally printed printing a 3rd from 2003 (years ago I ended going to the address of the printer that happened to be here in So. Cal. but the shop was long closed) ( http://www.catawiki.com/catalog/comic-books/series-protagonists/individual_without_enough_empathy-the/2966185-the-individual_without_enough_empathy?area=124235209ad156561b0d3111390ed68f18076b48 ), is there others I may have missed. Absolutely. The 2nd print was printed by George DiCaprio (who also printed Yama Yama that Williams discusses) I examined a portion of the stock sold to a dealer (the same guy listed in the JK reference noted above) when George got out of the business.

Hup (1977) by Panter. So there was several copies of this in the stock I examined. But one was different, it had better colors. When examining it I noticed a page number written in pencil on the side of one of one of the pages and the staples had been removed. Examining it closer I realized it was used as the original to copy to make all the 2nd printings that were also included. I contacted Panter and told him that I had found a bunch of Hups from George DiCaprio's stock that appeared to be counterfeit. He stated they weren't counterfeit, that DiCaprio had his permission to reprint it. So I wondered if maybe all of them were part of this stock or if any of the 2nd print had been sold beforehand. Over time I contacted a couple people who had purchased or had for sell copies of Hup and asked if the circled page number on one page appeared there or not. They all stated it did, this let me know that the 2nd print had been sold by George before he got out of the business. So you can tell from inside by the circled page number and from the cover by the colors missing that appear on the 1st print. For some reason both of these don't appear in the Fogel Guide even though The A**hole does appear in the JK.

Notice the light blue in HUP on the cover, not present on the 2nd print. http://www.garypanter.com/site/index.php?/work/comics/

2nd print: http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1146705

In my opinion Hup is a rather important Underground as I believe it was Panter's first Underground Comix. He's now considered the Father of Punk Rock Art. He's in the same genre as Pettibon (misspelled in the Fogel guide), who's first Underground Comix art appeared in Captive Chains (1978), and his Hup predates Pettibon's first.

Here's another discovery I contributed to. While e-mailing with Charles Plymell he told me that I should get a hold of a friend of his in my area called Robert. I then did research on "Bob" and found that he was the guy that introduced Plymell to Donahue. That Plymell had printed a comic of his a in 1963 that was listed in the JK as "fine artish", but wasn't, was a comix that involved drug use but had the last 2 pages printed out of order (but was in correct order when reprinted in Momma Daddie). Realizing that there were only 2 undergrounds in the JK that were listed as 1963 and none earlier (except for Adventures of Jesus in 1962 that was later admitted to be wrong and should have been 1964 by the guys who had printed it), that it could be that Plymell may have not only started the underground comix era with the printing of the 1st Zap Comix in 1968, but may have actually printed the first Undergound Comix in 1963 (or at least the 2nd). Branaman had been a featured artist at a famous Beat Generation gallery in S.F. called The Batman gallery (nothing to do with Batman, the owner Billy, who got his money from well to do parents liked to wear black so he got the nick name Billy Batman, sadly he moved to Afghanistan with with his wife to get away from the world and one day while handling his pistol, accidentally shot himself in the gut, dying slowly the next day). Bob was friends with artist Bruce Conner who was also featured at that gallery along with Plymell (as well as Wallace Berman who's one of the people on the St. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band cover and George Herms who both went on to recognition in the art world, and famed poet and bookstore owner L. Ferlinghetti). Donahue had met Branaman at the Batman Gallery at one of Bruce Conner's shows. That's how Momma Daddie (by the way, one of my prized original art pieces is a piece I purchased from Branaman that's the original from one of the pages from Momma Daddie) came about years later that eventually brought about Zap Comix not long after that. This was relayed to me by Donahue (who referred to Branaman as the original hippie years before hippies came to be) before he passed away, as well as by Plymell and Branaman. When I say that the Underground Comix era was born from the Beat Generation poets, that's what I mean. It was Beat Generation artists, fans of those artists and Beat Generation poets/printers printing their poetry chap books and tabloid papers (see Now, Now Now, and Now Now Now and The Last Times #1 & 2) that created it, just like it was the Beat Generation the became the Hippie Generation in the mid 60's. That along with the college mags. like Texas Ranger and Berkeley Barb were the forefathers of the movement. It was the same people that just started taking psychedelics and wearing colorful clothes in S.F. that started the younger people following suit and traveling to S.F. For a long time I looked for photos of the gallery showings at the Batman Gallery to see if we could find a more definite date for Robert Ronnie Branaman than 1963. Neither BRANAMAN or Plymell can remember much from that period due to a lot of drug use. I never did. There's a large collection of the Batman Gallery in Australia now. I once tried to contact them to see about pictures, but wasn't successful with more than a reply stating they were holding a large collection from the Batman. So, if some day someone finds pictures of a Gallery Showing from the Batman Gallery that we can place in May or before of 1963 that has the Robert Ronnie Branaman comic in it, then that will show that it is actually the first Underground Comix over Das Kampf. There's a book on the Batman Gallery (with multiple printings) that, if I recall correctly, has a list of dates of the shows there. If anyone wants to jump on some Underground research. I'm pretty done with mine.

All my info. about Plymell's The Last Times #1 having lifted a R. Crumb page from Yarrowstalks #2 has been posted before. Note the 2 reference books list issue #1 and Issue #3. Plymell told me he got a copy of Yarrowstalks from a friend that had driven across country to S.F. and had dropped by his printing shop in S.F. and gave him a copy. I purchased a few copies of The Last Times #1 and #2. I purchased a copy of Yarrowstalks #1 and 2 and found the lifted page in #2. This led Plymell to suggest Crumb when Donahue suggested they print a comic book together, after Donahue was introduced to Plymell by Branaman. This was due to Donahue asking Branaman if he knew a printer, since the one that Donahue had used to print the Momma Daddie won't let him pick up the finished product. Branaman suggested his friend Plymell.

I'm sure you recall my Zap Comix #2 research, and I made sure to mention that it started with Comic Wiz's mention of the 1st print miscut. Not my fault he didn't think to contact Donahue directly to ask and I did.

Someone probably profited well by buying all the rest of Donahue's copies of Zap Comix #1 (2nd print) file copies after they admitted they got the idea from me doing that for California Comics #3 from him...

That trailer looks great. This year it's Preacher, next year it may be American Gods for me.

Received my copy of the Ultimate Edition blu-ray today, confused as the cover states 30 minutes of additional footage, while the Digital HD version states 2:31 and the Digital HD Extended Edition states 2:51. That's 20 minutes, not 30. I don't think the Ultimate Edition is longer than the Extended Digital HD version is, or is it as the Ultimate Edition states 181 minutes? Anyone want to check the Extended Digital HD version and see if it's 2:51 or 3:01 mislabeled? So you guys that thought you saw the full Ultimate version on Digital HD might have missed an additional 10 minutes if it's correct...

 

I'm not sure what your packaging looked like on the movie, but this is what I received.

 

 

Theatrical Version: 151 mins. (2 hours, 31 minutes)

Ultimate Edition: 182 mins. (3 hours, 2 minutes)

 

What is with this movie? You would think after all that has transpired over the last year, that they could release a DVD without further problems, etc.

 

 

I said the Digital HD description (that's online), but it's been corrected since.

I would say it is the weakest of the 3 ST reboots. Bit too much Simon Pegg and his one liners in ST Beyond. Skip the $17 2D triple (3) screen, as the movie loses momentum when you pan left or scan right with your eyes to view the extra WIDE spcl fx. Decent ending plot wise.

How much of the movie was on 3 screens. I went to The Maze Runner on 3 screens and there was only a small portion of the movie on 3 screens, the rest of the time it has a ambient lighting type thing going one. I was rather disappointed. I remember thinking if the whole movie did the 3 screen wife thing, then I probably would have been impressed, but not when there were only a couple major scenes done on the wide format.

It was an enjoyable movie that was a bit formulaic and nothing new we haven't seen already. I liked the Jaylah character as a stand out (same actress as the woman with the blade legs in Kingsmen). There's homage to the loss of Yelchin and Nimoy's characters. All Trekkies will be satisfied, I think. I especially enjoyed it visually and thought the 3D was pretty good.

Seems to be just mislabeled at 2:51 in the description, when you start the movie it shows 3:02.

Received my copy of the Ultimate Edition blu-ray today, confused as the cover states 30 minutes of additional footage, while the Digital HD version states 2:31 and the Digital HD Extended Edition states 2:51. That's 20 minutes, not 30. I don't think the Ultimate Edition is longer than the Extended Digital HD version is, or is it as the Ultimate Edition states 181 minutes? Anyone want to check the Extended Digital HD version and see if it's 2:51 or 3:01 mislabeled? So you guys that thought you saw the full Ultimate version on Digital HD might have missed an additional 10 minutes if it's correct...

Finished it, enjoyable and worth checking out.

The first episode was pretty good, reminds me of D.A.R.Y.L.(1985) and more closely a feeling of Super 8(2011). Some Poltergeist and E.T. mixed in there also.

I'll be watching some of this today.

Thanks WP. I was, early on, hoping to put together an updated color version of the Illustrated Checklist to Underground Comix with different printings included and had over the years collected tens of thousands of different pics and scans, but my passion for Underground Comix has long left me. Probably the biggest reason was losing the two big Ug C forums and most all that data posted on them. I had No interest in anything as big as a new guide as there isn't enough market for competing guides and I think Fogel's does a good enough job. My collection (roughly a dozen long boxes and about 15 mag. boxes) probably has a few more small updates in it that could be added to the current guide but I have a hard time recalling what I've found over the years, now. Funny that SDCC is next week but I had forgotten that until a couple days ago. Howard would occasionally call and ask about comix or if I was going to SD and if I needed a pass, but since his passing I really don't have any one else I discuss this stuff with except on this forum.