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Abusive Comments On CAF?

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GotSuperPowers?

GotSuperPowers?

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Has anyone else seen the comments placed on This page in CAF?

 

I think it’s pretty shameful. I don’t care for quite a bit of art in CAF, be it the aspiring artists or the porn art that’s there. I simply don’t click it and ignore certain collections. I think the owner of this piece handled himself exceptionally well here but I would have completely backed him had he told the guy to run and jump…or some other choice words!

 

Thoughts here?

 

Best

Simon

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Nexus

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There have been been some doozy comment threads on CAF this year ( Buzz Huntress or Golden Dr. Strange, anyone?), but this one tops them all. My jaw just about hit the floor when I read those comments...and that's considering the source!

 

Kudos to the gallery owner for handling the heckler with such aplomb.

 

And as I stated in my comment, I'd like to see rude comments like these left up. They are very revealing and are a good gauge for me when I decide which collectors I want to deal with.

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LordZarak

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Calling the art in question "weak" is very insulting to me, even if it wasn't meant to be. It's one of those "rain on your parade" comments that takes away from the pride the owner has towards his aquisition. What possible good can come out of such a comment?

 

I have a large collection of lower end pages that some may consider weak, but I take great pride in each and every page in my collection because I buy artwork from comics I loved growing up. If someone were to come along as ask me essentially why I'm wasting my time on those pages when I could have few single high end pieces, I'd be terribly offended.

 

I'm glad the owner responded with such class. It does say a lot for him.

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Tatterdamillion

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I don't like the negative comments much, and I actually thought the page in question was going to look much worse. The gallery owner responded like a champ. I'm going to go heckle Mr. insufficiently_thoughtful_person... ahem ...Marine at his gallery. Knock Knock mother-.

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That's pretty weak. I consider CAF to be one of the few havens online to appreciate comics and comic art in a positive way with other collectors without the fear of assholishness bringing it all down.

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I have a large collection of lower end pages that some may consider weak, but I take great pride in each and every page in my collection because I buy artwork from comics I loved growing up. If someone were to come along as ask me essentially why I'm wasting my time on those pages when I could have few single high end pieces, I'd be terribly offended.

 

My thougts exactly. My collection is nowhere near high end yet I am proud of every piece. To be such a jerk like that serves no purpose and while the owner responded with grace, I can't help but feel that he probably did feel at least a little let down by the comments.

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westform

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Well, setting aside any discussion about offensiveness for the moment, I find Tony's opinion to be just plain wrong and not well thought out. Yes, art is most definately in the eye of the beholder and I ain't gonna stop looking for Little Archie pages, but that also aside, let's talk about $, coin, investment.

 

I have seen many, many a page like the one in question bought by a collector and re-sold, flipped, or traded at multiples of purchase price. I have no idea the value on this page but even if it's a $50 page he could probably sell it for $75 no problem. Hey maybe even $95. Multiply that kind of math over 100's of 'inferior' pages and you have the potential make lots of dough. Ok, he likes em and wants to keep em. Fine. But, if he needs to sell, or just plain wants to, he can put in some time and probably see some real % gain.

 

Now take Mr. Marine's portfolio... once again I'm guessing a little here because I don't know what's in it. Haven't looked lately. But, say there's a nice little action Neal Adams Batman page in there. Maybe like a high roller he bought the thing for $5k. Ok, time to sell 3 months later. Ok, he got a good deal and can sell it for $6k or $6500. You see my point here. Yeah, he made some good money on his 'important' art, but his % gain is nowhere near the smaller page.

 

Ahhh, you say Mr. Inferior page has to work his tail off to sell alll his pages. Maybe. And, maybe so does Mr. Important because there is a much more limited audience willing to shell out the kind of cash he is seeking. Anyway, I'm not dogging on either collecting style... hey, I have my own and I'm fairly partial to it. But, what's the point of knocking what someone else collects (unless you are trying to buy it..... ummm that's a joke :grin:). It's pretty cool that there are so many different collections out there. Makes me feel like there may even be another whacko who will take my Little Archies off my widow's hands oneday.

 

So, I have more to say on this, but there's the nutshell. I guess the plain honest truth is that size of art portfolio does not equate with biggest 'spoon'. I like the thrill of the hunt, getting big pieces, at times showing off, but I certainly respect (probably even more) those who go the other way, and just buy stuff they like within a modest budget..... or are too busy living there other life to buy any comic art at all. And, more importantly maybe, dollar for dollar there is just no argument to be made against the 'little' guy.

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r1982rhoads

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I totally agree that this gent's comments were wrong and not well thought out. I've definately seen some interesting comments on CAF about individual pieces, but never any blasting anyone for buying 'lower end pieces' or quality vs quantity, until now.

 

This Tony Toon character should realize first that the vast majority of pieces on CAF are "low end." Second, he should realize that collecting anything, cards, comics, art, glass, etc...is about buying what you love. If the art you enjoy is of the cheaper variety, more power to you! I would love for the titles I collect to be dirt cheap or unwanted...it would mean the more I could buy and enjoy viewing. If Tony here would stop caring about status, getting other collectors jealous of what he has, I bet even he could find a few 'lesser pieces' that would be of serious enjoyable value.

 

One dealer told me a long time ago, that it kind of sucks to have the bulk of your value tied into a few pieces. He noted, that he doesn't have many covers, because he would rather have the equivalent value in splashes and panel pages simple because he would have more art to look at in the end. I totally agree with this philsophy. To trade/sell your "lesser pieces" to buy a few pieces, goes against this good view...

 

One thing to think about: all art was low end at one time...what is low end now, could be high end later.

 

Another thing, Tony sounds like a speculator...

 

I do applaud Paul for being very polite...

 

Buy what you like, who gives a care about what anyone else has to say about it...

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Just the fact that people are wasting time discussing Tony's comments is disturbing. I think the comment WERE well thought out. He's getting EXACTLY the reaction he knew he would and it sounds like his comments were a passive-aggressive attack on either the collector or the artist...I am not sure which.

We should just ignore arrogant, and extremely childish behavior....Some people just like reactions.....

 

But the fact remains that while not all of us are able to obtain collections like Hari, Lambo, Gene, Dan F or any number of collectors on CAF; we buy what we can afford/love/have nostaligia for and whether it be sketches, commissions or panel pages, we don't owe anyone an explantion as to what we collect and why.

 

 

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Hi all; Tony emailed me and asked me to post this from him so here it is:

 

Paul Greer is a moderator over at Byrne Robotics. Recently, I was involved in a thread where I posted a piece of my art. Some of the members made some disparaging remarks about it which angered me. I fired back at them, and there was some back and forth hostility. Someone decided to "moderate" the thread, the result being - my rebuttals were removed, but the offending comments were left remaining! Several folks chided me and said that I should expect some negative feedback in a public forum like that. I disagreed and mentioned comicartfans and explained how most folks had the decency to either be courteous or silent.

 

There is a rule on the Byrne board: if your post gets deleted, don't ask why. I contacted a moderator (Paul) and asked NOT "why were my comments deleted?", but RATHER "why are those offensive comments directed at me allowed to remain"? Paul basically said that the thread had been moderated as they deemed fitting (i.e., those comments were "approved"). I went back and forth with Paul three times and he refused to "see the light" and remove the comments. To make a point, I made a disparaging comment about another person's piece in a different thread on the Byrne board. In fact, I merely copied one of the quotes directed at my piece - "I would be embarrassed to own that". I also made another negative comment about another piece. Guess what happened? Both my comments were deleted!

 

I then posted a new thread directed to Byrne himself and the moderators asking what the rules were, and why there was a double standard. I asked "are disparaging comments allowed" "if so, who is allowed to make them?" "If not, why were some still sitting on the thread directed at me?" I even quoted them verbatim. Instead of getting a reply, my question was merely deleted. I made one final long winded post basically reiterating the whole thing, and excusing myself from the message board.

 

Not a single person spoke in my defense which, knowing that group, isn't surprising. It should be pointed out that Paul was not merely a silent bystander allowing this to happen (which is bad enough), but was a moderator who was asked DIRECTLY by me to remove the offensive comments. He refused. Since you know me, and know I don't make comments like that, it should be obvious that I am trying to teach Paul a lesson. Funny how he thinks comments like that are rude when directed at him, but o.k. when directed at someone else. So there's the rest of the story... (what's the saying about power...?)

 

p.s. couple of points:

 

1. All my comments on his gallery are honest observations. I'm not making anything up - these are my honest opinions (which, some argued on the Byrne board, makes them justified).

 

2. Paul has said that this doesn't bother him - he put a COMMENT on there himself saying so. So what's the problem? I've emailed Paul the same question and anxiously await an answer. If he's not angry, nobody else should be.

 

 

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armydoc

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Just another reason to make a thread,really. "I stubbed my toe" make a thread..."I didn't shower today" make a thread. "Someone left a childish comment on CAF" make a thread.

 

Isn't this why we're all here? For the lovely social interaction. This guy really does seem to have been out of line on CAF. No offense Kevin. (thumbs u

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