Who belongs in the SA Artists Survivor Series list?

[Dale Roberts]

Aparo is not good or significant enough in the SA. BWS work really was not that good until Conan #1. Maybe he belongs, but he has not shot, so why prolong it.

 

 

[Dale Roberts]

Can we put a definite time period on this contest? 1954 - 1968? 1970? What exactly are we talking about? That my help figuring out who should be included.

[CAP Freak]

I assumed it was 1956-1969

[TheWatcher]

It's just a prelimibary list, Dale. Nothing set in stone. That's why I'm looking for feedback.

[TheWatcher]

Can we put a definite time period on this contest? 1954 - 1968? 1970? What exactly are we talking about? That my help figuring out who should be included.

 

I always consider the BA to start when Kirby started at DC in 1970.

[143ksk]

Harry Lucey NO - DeCarlo is enough for all eight Archie fans we have here

 

Quality is not necessarily measured in numbers

 

I nominated DeCarlo for his Atlas work not his Archie work which was far inferior to Lucey's.

[143ksk]

why you would put Shelton, Kremer, Drucker and Fox in, I dunno. they're all getting booted in rounds one or two, and thus only extend the contest length needlessly

 

As was shown in the GA thread, the point of these "contests" is not necessarily to decide who the "best" artist was, but to expose people to a lot of artists' work that they might not have otherwise seen.

[TheShadowKnows]

I was contemplating her anyway

If you are going to add undergrounds:

Vaughn Bode

Richard Corben

[TheShadowKnows]

I was contemplating her anyway

If you are going to add undergrounds:

Vaughn Bode

Richard Corben

Jack Kirby YES - Go ahead and give him the prize now.

Steve Ditko YES

Russ Heath YES

John Severin YES

John Romita Sr YES

Gil Kane YES

Carmine Infantino YES

Curt Swan YES

Jim Steranko YES

Don Heck NO

Joe Kubert YES

Joe Maneely YES

Jerry Grandenetti YES

Mike Sekowsky NO

Wally Wood YES

Bill Everett YES

Frank Frazetta NO

Reed Crandall NO

Alex Toth YES

Gene Colan YES

Jim Aparo BRONZE AGE

Murphy Anderson YES

Neal Adams NO - too little SA work. his rep will place him higher than deserved.

John Buscema YES

Bernie Wrightson NO - See Adams, Neal

Nick Cardy YES

George Tuska NO Tuska? Atomic Age, maybe. but :barf:

Robert Crumb YES

S. Clay Wilson YES

 

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Gilbert Shelton YES

Dan DeCarlo YES

Harry Lucey NO - DeCarlo is enough for all eight Archie fans we have here

Carl Barks YES

Joe Sinnott YES

Marie Severin YES

Warren Kremer YES

Giordano NO - come on, are you kidding? Giordano? Pedestrian at best, and outside of the top 30, imho

Ross Andru YES - Vastly underrated.

Mort Drucker WHO CARES

Fred Ray SERIOUSLY?

Barry Windsor-Smith BRONZE AGE

Matt Fox YES

 

 

why you would put Shelton, Kremer, Drucker and Fox in, I dunno. they're all getting booted in rounds one or two, and thus only extend the contest length needlessly

 

Aparo's first work was in '66 with Charlton & BWS first work was in '67 or '68 on DD. So technically they did draw during the SA, albeit late in the SA (like Wrightson, et al).

Neal Adams first work was in the early sixties in Archie Jokebook.

[TheShadowKnows]

I was contemplating her anyway

If you are going to add undergrounds:

Vaughn Bode

Richard Corben

Jack Kirby YES - Go ahead and give him the prize now.

Steve Ditko YES

Russ Heath YES

John Severin YES

John Romita Sr YES

Gil Kane YES

Carmine Infantino YES

Curt Swan YES

Jim Steranko YES

Don Heck NO

Joe Kubert YES

Joe Maneely YES

Jerry Grandenetti YES

Mike Sekowsky NO

Wally Wood YES

Bill Everett YES

Frank Frazetta NO

Reed Crandall NO

Alex Toth YES

Gene Colan YES

Jim Aparo BRONZE AGE

Murphy Anderson YES

Neal Adams NO - too little SA work. his rep will place him higher than deserved.

John Buscema YES

Bernie Wrightson NO - See Adams, Neal

Nick Cardy YES

George Tuska NO Tuska? Atomic Age, maybe. but :barf:

Robert Crumb YES

S. Clay Wilson YES

 

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Gilbert Shelton YES

Dan DeCarlo YES

Harry Lucey NO - DeCarlo is enough for all eight Archie fans we have here

Carl Barks YES

Joe Sinnott YES

Marie Severin YES

Warren Kremer YES

Giordano NO - come on, are you kidding? Giordano? Pedestrian at best, and outside of the top 30, imho

Ross Andru YES - Vastly underrated.

Mort Drucker WHO CARES

Fred Ray SERIOUSLY?

Barry Windsor-Smith BRONZE AGE

Matt Fox YES

 

 

why you would put Shelton, Kremer, Drucker and Fox in, I dunno. they're all getting booted in rounds one or two, and thus only extend the contest length needlessly

 

Aparo's first work was in '66 with Charlton & BWS first work was in '67 or '68 on DD. So technically they did draw during the SA, albeit late in the SA (like Wrightson, et al).

Neal Adams first work was in the early sixties in Archie Jokebook.

You can add Marie Severin to the list.

 

Yeah, I thought about about adding her name but passed. Kinda like I did with Herb Trimpe & Sal Buscema. Nothing against them, but I didn't want the list to get too long. I asked this question in the GA Survivor thread: Do Adams & Buscema belong on the SA list?

 

Adams best body of work was bronze, but he did have a late silver age presence.

All these series were done before 70 I believe

Strange adventures,xmen,Avengers(?) and a ton of covers.

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[TheWatcher]

I was contemplating her anyway

If you are going to add undergrounds:

Vaughn Bode

Richard Corben

 

I included Crumb & Wilson. If I was to include another undeground artist it would be Spain Rodriguez. I think those three were the best of that era.

[Shadow]

I'd try hard to narrow that list down. I think we might be losing people because the list is too large. I'll chime in a bit on who I would take out.

[TeddieMercede]

Murphy Anderson is the mess. In a good way.

[TheWatcher]

This is just a preliminary list. I want feedback as to who I may have missed or people feel don't belong (eg Neal Adams). I'm definitely going to pare down the list. I just threw some names up there to spark debate (BWS, for example).

[Shadow]

Here's 27 and I would add 3 to round it out. Granted, I'm not running it, but some of these names are way too obscure. I took out the artist's whose heyday was the Golden Age and are just footnotes in the SA. Frazetta is great, but I don't consider him a SA artist. Barry Windsor Smith is great but I consider him a BA artist since his best work was then. Even this list could be easily narrowed down. I love JLA but not Sekowsky's very bland work. Ross Andru? Nothing too special there.

 

Ah well, this is just my input. Take it for what it's worth.

 

Jack Kirby

Steve Ditko

Russ Heath

John Severin

John Romita Sr

Gil Kane

Carmine Infantino

Curt Swan

Jim Steranko

Don Heck

Joe Kubert

Mike Sekowsky

Wally Wood

Alex Toth

Gene Colan

Jim Aparo

Murphy Anderson

Neal Adams

John Buscema

Bernie Wrightson

Nick Cardy

Robert Crumb

Carl Barks

Joe Sinnott

Marie Severin

Giordano

Ross Andru

 

[Shadow]

Here's a list of 20 that may work. Trying to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

 

Jack Kirby

Steve Ditko

Russ Heath

John Severin

John Romita Sr

Gil Kane

Carmine Infantino

Curt Swan

Jim Steranko

Don Heck

Joe Kubert

Wally Wood

Alex Toth

Gene Colan

Jim Aparo

Murphy Anderson

Neal Adams

John Buscema

Bernie Wrightson

Robert Crumb

[thecollectron]

1.) I would include Neal Adams. A strong case could be made for moving him to a BA list, but I bought a lot of 12-cent DC superhero books in the 60's that had memorable Adams covers, plus he drew the Spectre, Deadman, and a couple of World's Finest's. He might be late Silver Age, but I think he fits.

2.) Somebody else said "Mort Drucker -Who Cares?"...well, I do. Besides a handful of stories he drew for the DC war books, he did tons of work in Mad magazine in the 60's.

3.) If you're going to include inkers, don't forget Ayers.

[TheWatcher]

Here's a list of 20 that may work. Trying to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

 

Jack Kirby

Steve Ditko

Russ Heath

John Severin

John Romita Sr

Gil Kane

Carmine Infantino

Curt Swan

Jim Steranko

Don Heck

Joe Kubert

Wally Wood

Alex Toth

Gene Colan

Jim Aparo

Murphy Anderson

Neal Adams

John Buscema

Bernie Wrightson

Robert Crumb

 

Good list, in fact it almost resembles my original one. How do you feel about Wrightson when his first work appeared in '69. That's one of the names that I wanted to hear other's opinions about.

[CAP Freak]

I LIKE Shadows Top 20 list,

[TheShadowKnows]

Here's a list of 20 that may work. Trying to seperate the wheat from the chaff.

 

Jack Kirby

Steve Ditko

Russ Heath

John Severin

John Romita Sr

Gil Kane

Carmine Infantino

Curt Swan

Jim Steranko

Don Heck

Joe Kubert

Wally Wood

Alex Toth

Gene Colan

Jim Aparo

Murphy Anderson

Neal Adams

John Buscema

Bernie Wrightson

Robert Crumb

That list looks good except one.What did Don Heck do in the silverage?

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