SA ARTIST SURVIVOR SERIES: RD.12

[Karma23]

who the heck is voting for Heath?

 

 

 

 

 

someone post some of those interior war books of his, especially the Iron Major story

 

I only have one OAAW book that I want to subject to the scanner but here's another Heath page. His attention to detail and realism is incredible

[Dale Roberts]

Sorry, and I know this is going to end badly for me, but what did Kirby do that is artistically so great? His creativity is beyond description, but please someone look at the art to Fantastic Four #1 - whatever and tell me what is so good.

 

I really don't mean to knock the King, but he is soooo over-rated it is ridiculous. I know he has alot of fans, and I think his stuff was okay. But why on earth does he deserve to win this? He can't carry half of the remaining field's jock as far as art goes.

 

Wow. You've lost me but good with that one. One can dislike the man's art as much as one wants - to each his own - but to discount his achievements and contributions to the genre that way is just cracked.

 

Where did I discount his achievements and contributions to the genre? Actually I did just the opposite, I said he was a heck of a creator, but a greatly over-rated artist.

 

 

[adamstrange]

 

 

 

[Aman619]

Sorry, and I know this is going to end badly for me, but what did Kirby do that is artistically so great? His creativity is beyond description, but please someone look at the art to Fantastic Four #1 - whatever and tell me what is so good.

 

I really don't mean to knock the King, but he is soooo over-rated it is ridiculous. I know he has alot of fans, and I think his stuff was okay. But why on earth does he deserve to win this? He can't carry half of the remaining field's jock as far as art goes.

 

Wow. You've lost me but good with that one. One can dislike the man's art as much as one wants - to each his own - but to discount his achievements and contributions to the genre that way is just cracked.

 

Where did I discount his achievements and contributions to the genre? Actually I did just the opposite, I said he was a heck of a creator, but a greatly over-rated artist.

 

 

 

boy howdy... people use the word "artist" and mean so many different things! What I keep hearing here is many people who equate an "artist" with someone who can draw or paint in as realistic a manner as possible. And, usually, these people cant draw a lick by themselves... and to their minds, being realistic is the sole measuring stick.

 

So while theyre opinion is as valid as anyone else's, to others who use "artist" to describe an exciting or dynamic STYLE of illustrating, one that transends vanilla realism (which to an ARTIST is like a cheap parlor trick, copying photos etc) its constantly frustrating to see a Kirby, or Toth, etc belittled because they arent as good an "artist" as a realist...some guy doing as best as he can to make a picture look like a photo.

 

something like that...

 

Almost EVERY stylist who breaks reality down to a fluid un-realistic look has earlier spent years working extremely realistically... and evolved beyond it seeking something more, usually by using LESS lines etc.

[selegue]

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boy howdy... people use the word "artist" and mean so many different things! What I keep hearing here is many people who equate an "artist" with someone who can draw or paint in as realistic a manner as possible. And, usually, these people cant draw a lick by themselves... and to their minds, being realistic is the sole measuring stick.

 

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Heck yeah!

 

I demand that flying men, people with power beams coming out of their head, water-breathing humans, ropes attached to points above skyscrapers, talking ducks, sentient robots, and day-long interplanetary travel be depicted as realistically as possible. Who wouldn't?

 

Just in case anyone's never read this old chestnut:

 

Picasso once found himself discussing art with an American GI who professed to dislike abstract paintings because they were excessively unrealistic. The artist said nothing and the conversation moved on to such other subjects as the GI's girlfriend - a snapshot of whom he proudly showed Picasso. "My," he exclaimed, examining the picture, "is she really that small?"

 

Jack

[JohnT]

YAAASIR!

Top ten Silver Age cover. Those two artists are shoo-ins for the last rounds, aren't they?

 

Is that your copy? Gorgeous.

Showcase 34 is my most expensive comic book, but it's only in about vg.

 

Jack

 

 

Anderson's already gone! Unbelievable...

 

Yep, that's my copy. One of my pride and joys!

[tth2]

Sorry, and I know this is going to end badly for me, but what did Kirby do that is artistically so great? His creativity is beyond description, but please someone look at the art to Fantastic Four #1 - whatever and tell me what is so good.

 

I really don't mean to knock the King, but he is soooo over-rated it is ridiculous. I know he has alot of fans, and I think his stuff was okay. But why on earth does he deserve to win this? He can't carry half of the remaining field's jock as far as art goes.

 

Wow. You've lost me but good with that one. One can dislike the man's art as much as one wants - to each his own - but to discount his achievements and contributions to the genre that way is just cracked.

 

Where did I discount his achievements and contributions to the genre? Actually I did just the opposite, I said he was a heck of a creator, but a greatly over-rated artist.

 

 

 

boy howdy... people use the word "artist" and mean so many different things! What I keep hearing here is many people who equate an "artist" with someone who can draw or paint in as realistic a manner as possible. And, usually, these people cant draw a lick by themselves... and to their minds, being realistic is the sole measuring stick.

 

So while theyre opinion is as valid as anyone else's, to others who use "artist" to describe an exciting or dynamic STYLE of illustrating, one that transends vanilla realism (which to an ARTIST is like a cheap parlor trick, copying photos etc) its constantly frustrating to see a Kirby, or Toth, etc belittled because they arent as good an "artist" as a realist...some guy doing as best as he can to make a picture look like a photo.

 

something like that...

 

Almost EVERY stylist who breaks reality down to a fluid un-realistic look has earlier spent years working extremely realistically... and evolved beyond it seeking something more, usually by using LESS lines etc.

Excellent post, aman.

[adamstrange]

Sorry, and I know this is going to end badly for me, but what did Kirby do that is artistically so great? His creativity is beyond description, but please someone look at the art to Fantastic Four #1 - whatever and tell me what is so good.

 

I really don't mean to knock the King, but he is soooo over-rated it is ridiculous. I know he has alot of fans, and I think his stuff was okay. But why on earth does he deserve to win this? He can't carry half of the remaining field's jock as far as art goes.

 

Wow. You've lost me but good with that one. One can dislike the man's art as much as one wants - to each his own - but to discount his achievements and contributions to the genre that way is just cracked.

 

Where did I discount his achievements and contributions to the genre? Actually I did just the opposite, I said he was a heck of a creator, but a greatly over-rated artist.

 

 

boy howdy... people use the word "artist" and mean so many different things! What I keep hearing here is many people who equate an "artist" with someone who can draw or paint in as realistic a manner as possible. And, usually, these people cant draw a lick by themselves... and to their minds, being realistic is the sole measuring stick.

 

So while theyre opinion is as valid as anyone else's, to others who use "artist" to describe an exciting or dynamic STYLE of illustrating, one that transends vanilla realism (which to an ARTIST is like a cheap parlor trick, copying photos etc) its constantly frustrating to see a Kirby, or Toth, etc belittled because they arent as good an "artist" as a realist...some guy doing as best as he can to make a picture look like a photo.

 

something like that...

 

Almost EVERY stylist who breaks reality down to a fluid un-realistic look has earlier spent years working extremely realistically... and evolved beyond it seeking something more, usually by using LESS lines etc.

Excellent post, aman.

 

Like Alex Schomburg.

[tth2]

Like Alex Schomburg.

I've never criticized Schomburg for being anatomically inaccurate. I realize he was drawing his Timely covers in a stylistic manner, I just didn't like that particular style.

[Jeffro.]

More Heath SA goodness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dale Roberts]

Sorry, and I know this is going to end badly for me, but what did Kirby do that is artistically so great? His creativity is beyond description, but please someone look at the art to Fantastic Four #1 - whatever and tell me what is so good.

 

I really don't mean to knock the King, but he is soooo over-rated it is ridiculous. I know he has alot of fans, and I think his stuff was okay. But why on earth does he deserve to win this? He can't carry half of the remaining field's jock as far as art goes.

 

Wow. You've lost me but good with that one. One can dislike the man's art as much as one wants - to each his own - but to discount his achievements and contributions to the genre that way is just cracked.

 

Where did I discount his achievements and contributions to the genre? Actually I did just the opposite, I said he was a heck of a creator, but a greatly over-rated artist.

 

 

 

boy howdy... people use the word "artist" and mean so many different things! What I keep hearing here is many people who equate an "artist" with someone who can draw or paint in as realistic a manner as possible. And, usually, these people cant draw a lick by themselves... and to their minds, being realistic is the sole measuring stick.

 

So while theyre opinion is as valid as anyone else's, to others who use "artist" to describe an exciting or dynamic STYLE of illustrating, one that transends vanilla realism (which to an ARTIST is like a cheap parlor trick, copying photos etc) its constantly frustrating to see a Kirby, or Toth, etc belittled because they arent as good an "artist" as a realist...some guy doing as best as he can to make a picture look like a photo.

 

something like that...

 

Almost EVERY stylist who breaks reality down to a fluid un-realistic look has earlier spent years working extremely realistically... and evolved beyond it seeking something more, usually by using LESS lines etc.

 

I personally like a mix of styles. I like Adams. I like Gil Kane and Romita. I like Ditko. I like Heath. I like all the EC artists, Matt Baker, most of the Warren artists, Steranko, Wrightson, Dave Stevens, LB Cole, Schomburg. I even like Kirby, especially his Golden Age stuff which I think is superior to his Silver Age. I just don't think he is close to the best artist of his era. I would probably put him in the top 5.

 

I still have yet to hear why Kirby is so great. All I hear is why I am wrong, and my opinions are belittled. Tell me what you think Kirby did that was so good. I am willing to listen and consider it.

[Paris_Fred]

Hoops, Just forgot to show this one:

 

Sorry again, it's Wood inked by Wood

 

[Scrooge]

boy howdy... people use the word "artist" and mean so many different things! What I keep hearing here is many people who equate an "artist" with someone who can draw or paint in as realistic a manner as possible. And, usually, these people cant draw a lick by themselves... and to their minds, being realistic is the sole measuring stick.

 

So while theyre opinion is as valid as anyone else's, to others who use "artist" to describe an exciting or dynamic STYLE of illustrating, one that transends vanilla realism (which to an ARTIST is like a cheap parlor trick, copying photos etc) its constantly frustrating to see a Kirby, or Toth, etc belittled because they arent as good an "artist" as a realist...some guy doing as best as he can to make a picture look like a photo.

 

something like that...

 

Almost EVERY stylist who breaks reality down to a fluid un-realistic look has earlier spent years working extremely realistically... and evolved beyond it seeking something more, usually by using LESS lines etc.

Excellent post, aman.

I agree. Excellent post. (thumbs u

[Doctor Svord]

boy howdy... people use the word "artist" and mean so many different things! What I keep hearing here is many people who equate an "artist" with someone who can draw or paint in as realistic a manner as possible. And, usually, these people cant draw a lick by themselves... and to their minds, being realistic is the sole measuring stick.

 

So while theyre opinion is as valid as anyone else's, to others who use "artist" to describe an exciting or dynamic STYLE of illustrating, one that transends vanilla realism (which to an ARTIST is like a cheap parlor trick, copying photos etc) its constantly frustrating to see a Kirby, or Toth, etc belittled because they arent as good an "artist" as a realist...some guy doing as best as he can to make a picture look like a photo.

 

something like that...

 

Almost EVERY stylist who breaks reality down to a fluid un-realistic look has earlier spent years working extremely realistically... and evolved beyond it seeking something more, usually by using LESS lines etc.

Excellent post, aman.

I agree. Excellent post. (thumbs u

 

Third. Excellent post aman.

[Doctor Svord]

I still have yet to hear why Kirby is so great. All I hear is why I am wrong, and my opinions are belittled. Tell me what you think Kirby did that was so good. I am willing to listen and consider it.

 

The "Why" of Kirby? That's a tough one.

 

The only way I can think to answer that one is this:

 

Without Kirby there is no Steranko, Winsor-Smith, or Byrne as we know them. That speaks to how influential he is as an artist. That lineage alone makes him great my book.

 

Hopefully the more knowledgable Kirby fans will have something to offer the subject.

[Jeffro.]

I still have yet to hear why Kirby is so great. All I hear is why I am wrong, and my opinions are belittled. Tell me what you think Kirby did that was so good. I am willing to listen and consider it.

 

Powerful dynamic artwork just dripping with action and motion.

 

 

And piston fingers

 

Anatomically he clearly wasn't the best but as a total creator, he has few equals.

[burntboy]

I still have yet to hear why Kirby is so great. All I hear is why I am wrong, and my opinions are belittled. Tell me what you think Kirby did that was so good. I am willing to listen and consider it.

 

The "Why" of Kirby? That's a tough one.

 

The only way I can think to answer that one is this:

 

Without Kirby there is no Steranko, Winsor-Smith, or Byrne as we know them. That speaks to how influential he is as an artist. That lineage alone makes him great my book.

 

Hopefully the more knowledgable Kirby fans will have something to offer the subject.

 

i don't claim to be able to draw or understand art, but i know what i like. since this is a "Favorite Artist" Contest and not the "Best" Artist Contest, i think of Kirby among my favorites because;

 

in the SA, he drew the Challengers of the Unknown, he helped create and drew the Fantastic Four, he helped create and drew the first 5 Hulks, he drew the cover to AF 15, he helped create and drew Thor in Journey into Mystery, and the X-Men, the Silver Surfer, the Black Panther, the Inhumans, Captain America etc.

 

Geez, he practically WAS the SA of comics...........

 

per Steranko; (The History of Comics) "Jack Kirby, without whom there may not have been any comics to write a history about" , or Arlen Schumer; (The Silver Age of Comic Book Art) "Kirby's works are the Power and Glory of comic book storytelling, and, like the legendary Atlas, it is upon Kirby's shoulders that the world of Superheroes rest".......................

 

i think these are some good reasons to consider Jack Kirby as among one's FAVORITE artists..................

[Doctor Svord]

Thanks Burntboy. (and Jeffro. good deal.)

 

So, if I'm reading your post correctly, Kirby is one of your favorites because of his creativity? Very cool.

 

What I find fascinating about these polls is the "why" these guys are someone's favorite. I bombarded Trooper with that question about Heath in the GA round, and because of his response, I now have a greater appreciation for Heath's work. Seeing someone's work through another person's eyes forces me to look at that work differently.

 

So, thanks man.

 

 

 

 

[Aman619]

Sorry, and I know this is going to end badly for me, but what did Kirby do that is artistically so great? His creativity is beyond description, but please someone look at the art to Fantastic Four #1 - whatever and tell me what is so good.

 

I really don't mean to knock the King, but he is soooo over-rated it is ridiculous. I know he has alot of fans, and I think his stuff was okay. But why on earth does he deserve to win this? He can't carry half of the remaining field's jock as far as art goes.

 

Wow. You've lost me but good with that one. One can dislike the man's art as much as one wants - to each his own - but to discount his achievements and contributions to the genre that way is just cracked.

 

Where did I discount his achievements and contributions to the genre? Actually I did just the opposite, I said he was a heck of a creator, but a greatly over-rated artist.

 

 

 

 

 

boy howdy... people use the word "artist" and mean so many different things! What I keep hearing here is many people who equate an "artist" with someone who can draw or paint in as realistic a manner as possible. And, usually, these people cant draw a lick by themselves... and to their minds, being realistic is the sole measuring stick.

 

So while theyre opinion is as valid as anyone else's, to others who use "artist" to describe an exciting or dynamic STYLE of illustrating, one that transends vanilla realism (which to an ARTIST is like a cheap parlor trick, copying photos etc) its constantly frustrating to see a Kirby, or Toth, etc belittled because they arent as good an "artist" as a realist...some guy doing as best as he can to make a picture look like a photo.

 

something like that...

 

Almost EVERY stylist who breaks reality down to a fluid un-realistic look has earlier spent years working extremely realistically... and evolved beyond it seeking something more, usually by using LESS lines etc.

 

I personally like a mix of styles. I like Adams. I like Gil Kane and Romita. I like Ditko. I like Heath. I like all the EC artists, Matt Baker, most of the Warren artists, Steranko, Wrightson, Dave Stevens, LB Cole, Schomburg. I even like Kirby, especially his Golden Age stuff which I think is superior to his Silver Age. I just don't think he is close to the best artist of his era. I would probably put him in the top 5.

 

I still have yet to hear why Kirby is so great. All I hear is why I am wrong, and my opinions are belittled. Tell me what you think Kirby did that was so good. I am willing to listen and consider it.

 

fair enough. First off, let me preface by saying I wasnt a big Kirby fan in the 60s. I like Infantino/Anderson for the realism and angular layouts. Also Gil Kane, and Wally Woods Tower work. But it wasnt until Eisner's Spirit reprints and Neal Adams til I was actually blown away by anybody in comics. Adams was like a bolt of lightning when he showed up: super slick styling PLUS photographic realism and cinematic layouts and coloring.

 

Early 60s Kirby was clutzy, clunky, blocky and smudgy. Little did I know it was Ayers and othet inkers responsible for dominating his pencils. I always looked at Marvels from 1961 - 1965 as cheap inferior productions compared to slick clean DCs. Lots of us did. The stories were so exciting it didnt matter!

 

Back to Kirby, though. The man has the best eye for superhero layouts. Avengers 4 for instance, notine how expertly each character owns his own space AND interacts linearly with the other figures. In addition, Kirby's work BURSTS out of the panel into your face. Its almost abstract how he uses perspective to enhance fists and knees, projecting you put your 3D glasses on.

 

Kirby's work is emotion, passion and finesse and consummate comics chops. Design wise, he invented the Kirby crackle!! Has there ever been a better way to illustrate bursts of galactic power in pen and ink? And notice how perfectly placed each globule of krackle is as it snakes around and behind the figures.

 

nuff said. You see it or ya dont. no problem.

 

Kirby is the Picasso of Comics... some revere him. other revile him. But you cant IGNORE him.

[JohnT]

Sorry, and I know this is going to end badly for me, but what did Kirby do that is artistically so great? His creativity is beyond description, but please someone look at the art to Fantastic Four #1 - whatever and tell me what is so good.

 

I really don't mean to knock the King, but he is soooo over-rated it is ridiculous. I know he has alot of fans, and I think his stuff was okay. But why on earth does he deserve to win this? He can't carry half of the remaining field's jock as far as art goes.

 

Wow. You've lost me but good with that one. One can dislike the man's art as much as one wants - to each his own - but to discount his achievements and contributions to the genre that way is just cracked.

 

Where did I discount his achievements and contributions to the genre? Actually I did just the opposite, I said he was a heck of a creator, but a greatly over-rated artist.

 

 

 

 

 

boy howdy... people use the word "artist" and mean so many different things! What I keep hearing here is many people who equate an "artist" with someone who can draw or paint in as realistic a manner as possible. And, usually, these people cant draw a lick by themselves... and to their minds, being realistic is the sole measuring stick.

 

So while theyre opinion is as valid as anyone else's, to others who use "artist" to describe an exciting or dynamic STYLE of illustrating, one that transends vanilla realism (which to an ARTIST is like a cheap parlor trick, copying photos etc) its constantly frustrating to see a Kirby, or Toth, etc belittled because they arent as good an "artist" as a realist...some guy doing as best as he can to make a picture look like a photo.

 

something like that...

 

Almost EVERY stylist who breaks reality down to a fluid un-realistic look has earlier spent years working extremely realistically... and evolved beyond it seeking something more, usually by using LESS lines etc.

 

I personally like a mix of styles. I like Adams. I like Gil Kane and Romita. I like Ditko. I like Heath. I like all the EC artists, Matt Baker, most of the Warren artists, Steranko, Wrightson, Dave Stevens, LB Cole, Schomburg. I even like Kirby, especially his Golden Age stuff which I think is superior to his Silver Age. I just don't think he is close to the best artist of his era. I would probably put him in the top 5.

 

I still have yet to hear why Kirby is so great. All I hear is why I am wrong, and my opinions are belittled. Tell me what you think Kirby did that was so good. I am willing to listen and consider it.

 

fair enough. First off, let me preface by saying I wasnt a big Kirby fan in the 60s. I like Infantino/Anderson for the realism and angular layouts. Also Gil Kane, and Wally Woods Tower work. But it wasnt until Eisner's Spirit reprints and Neal Adams til I was actually blown away by anybody in comics. Adams was like a bolt of lightning when he showed up: super slick styling PLUS photographic realism and cinematic layouts and coloring.

 

Early 60s Kirby was clutzy, clunky, blocky and smudgy. Little did I know it was Ayers and othet inkers responsible for dominating his pencils. I always looked at Marvels from 1961 - 1965 as cheap inferior productions compared to slick clean DCs. Lots of us did. The stories were so exciting it didnt matter!

 

Back to Kirby, though. The man has the best eye for superhero layouts. Avengers 4 for instance, notine how expertly each character owns his own space AND interacts linearly with the other figures. In addition, Kirby's work BURSTS out of the panel into your face. Its almost abstract how he uses perspective to enhance fists and knees, projecting you put your 3D glasses on.

 

Kirby's work is emotion, passion and finesse and consummate comics chops. Design wise, he invented the Kirby crackle!! Has there ever been a better way to illustrate bursts of galactic power in pen and ink? And notice how perfectly placed each globule of krackle is as it snakes around and behind the figures.

 

nuff said. You see it or ya dont. no problem.

 

Kirby is the Picasso of Comics... some revere him. other revile him. But you cant IGNORE him.

 

Plus the machinery. He could draw machinery.