Dishonest stuff going on in the Board Only Sales Area Forum...Sad. 5 5

[ImageMask]

I have one question about all of this. Even if the book is the same as the other. Is it not possible that it could be a 9.2 or even a 9.0 or an 8.0 for that matter. After all grading is very subjective . One mans 9.2 maybe another mans 8.5. What I really would like to see is the CGC graders notes on this book to see what the pregrader and the final graders gave it. After all we are talking about less than 1 point in the grades

 

Just a $500 difference, that's all

 

even with a $500.00 difference Is it not possible that who ever bought or buys the book may believe it to be higher OR lower than the CGC grade of 8.5? I mean come on how many of us have bought a PGX book cracked it out and submitted it to CGC and a different grade higher or lower comes back. Just using that to make a point that grading is very subjuctive and if you asked 20 different people to look at the book in hand I would say you would get a range of 8.0-9.2. I understand that there is a big difference in price. However, if the buyer or potenial buyer agrees with the grade the Dr gave it and is completely happy . Is there anything wrong with that?

 

Its a totally different situation if he sells it as a 9.2 and the buyer is unhappy and wants to return the book. As long as the Dr. refunds the money or adjusts the price accordingly then that would be ok as well IMHO

 

You're missing the point by about a mile.

 

Muscleshark bought a pressed, slabbed 8.5 book - he cracks it, offers up it for sale as 9.2 raw, and doesn't disclose the fact that it was pressed (which I personally don't care about) and that it was previously graded as a 8.5 (which I do care about).

 

If you don't see the blatant dishonesty in that, you shouldn't be selling here on the boards either.

 

On the side of being open minded, I sold a bronze key to Jive who thought it looked much better than the assigned CGC grade and so he gave it a straight resub and it went from a CGC 9.0 to a CGC 9.6. True story.

 

On the topic of this thread, Frank just lied through his teeth without flinching a muscle. They are without a doubt the same book. That's enough for me.

 

 

In my opinion...Roy , you are a hopeless dope without a clue. Nothing more...nothing less, wow a real leader of the masses......

 

Again, I will say. Grow up Frank. You can either show proof or not. You will know what will happen either way

 

Find your own "Get Rich Quick" scheme...pretty sure Danny Dupcak already tried this one and failed

 

ohhhhhhhh SNAP.

 

don't get all excited, everyone is carpping on me because of what I said. So this newb will post no more on comic threads, as I don't have that much to offer I guess

 

Nawwww.... post on. No one crapping here. Unless you selling frankinbooks.......

[Transplant]

 

Bosco...Thanks for taking a rational approach here with this comment. You are right about "last time" I did blow up and I shouldn't have. I am not making any threats here....I am simply stating the facts....Krypto has defamed me publicly, if I have legal recourse I will in fact be taking that path. No threats....just hoping he is ready to back up his very big mouth . I have done nothing wrong here. Just because I have sold the books doesn't make me guilty, also have done nothing to him personally . I should know by tomorrow what recourse I have of a legal sort.I also have a call into someone that actually witnessed me selling the CGC 8.5 at WonderCon.

 

You really don't have any legal recourse.

Careful Brian. He'll sue you for bad correct legal advice.

[GACollectibles]

I have one question about all of this. Even if the book is the same as the other. Is it not possible that it could be a 9.2 or even a 9.0 or an 8.0 for that matter. After all grading is very subjective . One mans 9.2 maybe another mans 8.5. What I really would like to see is the CGC graders notes on this book to see what the pregrader and the final graders gave it. After all we are talking about less than 1 point in the grades

 

Just a $500 difference, that's all

 

even with a $500.00 difference Is it not possible that who ever bought or buys the book may believe it to be higher OR lower than the CGC grade of 8.5? I mean come on how many of us have bought a PGX book cracked it out and submitted it to CGC and a different grade higher or lower comes back. Just using that to make a point that grading is very subjuctive and if you asked 20 different people to look at the book in hand I would say you would get a range of 8.0-9.2. I understand that there is a big difference in price. However, if the buyer or potenial buyer agrees with the grade the Dr gave it and is completely happy . Is there anything wrong with that?

 

Its a totally different situation if he sells it as a 9.2 and the buyer is unhappy and wants to return the book. As long as the Dr. refunds the money or adjusts the price accordingly then that would be ok as well IMHO

 

You're missing the point by about a mile.

 

Muscleshark bought a pressed, slabbed 8.5 book - he cracks it, offers up it for sale as 9.2 raw, and doesn't disclose the fact that it was pressed (which I personally don't care about) and that it was previously graded as a 8.5 (which I do care about).

 

If you don't see the blatant dishonesty in that, you shouldn't be selling here on the boards either.

 

On the side of being open minded, I sold a bronze key to Jive who thought it looked much better than the assigned CGC grade and so he gave it a straight resub and it went from a CGC 9.0 to a CGC 9.6. True story.

 

On the topic of this thread, Frank just lied through his teeth without flinching a muscle. They are without a doubt the same book. That's enough for me.

 

 

In my opinion...Roy , you are a hopeless dope without a clue. Nothing more...nothing less, wow a real leader of the masses......

 

Again, I will say. Grow up Frank. You can either show proof or not. You will know what will happen either way

 

Find your own "Get Rich Quick" scheme...pretty sure Danny Dupcak already tried this one and failed

 

ohhhhhhhh SNAP.

 

don't get all excited, everyone is carpping on me because of what I said. So this newb will post no more on comic threads, as I don't have that much to offer I guess

 

Could be worse, they could be riding you in the Out of Context thread.

[comicgrinder]

I have one question about all of this. Even if the book is the same as the other. Is it not possible that it could be a 9.2 or even a 9.0 or an 8.0 for that matter. After all grading is very subjective . One mans 9.2 maybe another mans 8.5. What I really would like to see is the CGC graders notes on this book to see what the pregrader and the final graders gave it. After all we are talking about less than 1 point in the grades

 

Just a $500 difference, that's all

 

even with a $500.00 difference Is it not possible that who ever bought or buys the book may believe it to be higher OR lower than the CGC grade of 8.5? I mean come on how many of us have bought a PGX book cracked it out and submitted it to CGC and a different grade higher or lower comes back. Just using that to make a point that grading is very subjuctive and if you asked 20 different people to look at the book in hand I would say you would get a range of 8.0-9.2. I understand that there is a big difference in price. However, if the buyer or potenial buyer agrees with the grade the Dr gave it and is completely happy . Is there anything wrong with that?

 

Its a totally different situation if he sells it as a 9.2 and the buyer is unhappy and wants to return the book. As long as the Dr. refunds the money or adjusts the price accordingly then that would be ok as well IMHO

 

You're missing the point by about a mile.

 

Muscleshark bought a pressed, slabbed 8.5 book - he cracks it, offers up it for sale as 9.2 raw, and doesn't disclose the fact that it was pressed (which I personally don't care about) and that it was previously graded as a 8.5 (which I do care about).

 

If you don't see the blatant dishonesty in that, you shouldn't be selling here on the boards either.

 

On the side of being open minded, I sold a bronze key to Jive who thought it looked much better than the assigned CGC grade and so he gave it a straight resub and it went from a CGC 9.0 to a CGC 9.6. True story.

 

On the topic of this thread, Frank just lied through his teeth without flinching a muscle. They are without a doubt the same book. That's enough for me.

 

 

In my opinion...Roy , you are a hopeless dope without a clue. Nothing more...nothing less, wow a real leader of the masses......

 

Again, I will say. Grow up Frank. You can either show proof or not. You will know what will happen either way

 

Find your own "Get Rich Quick" scheme...pretty sure Danny Dupcak already tried this one and failed

 

ohhhhhhhh SNAP.

 

don't get all excited, everyone is carpping on me because of what I said. So this newb will post no more on comic threads, as I don't have that much to offer I guess

 

Could be worse, they could be riding you in the Out of Context thread.

[FoomMember]

I know it's not the right place to sell a book but what the hey...this book is COMPLETELY unrestored and I bought it from a guy in humboldt county who said it was the last one in existence.

 

5 billion dollars asking price.. and yes, it's pressed and convicted.

 

 

Why is Marlon Brando on the cover?

 

first question: Are you familiar with CNN?

 

second statement: I cannot resist a good riposte - 'He's making an offer no one can refuse'. read into that what you'd like with a big dash of comic geekness.

 

I = geek.

[LovinTheSurfer]

I have one question about all of this. Even if the book is the same as the other. Is it not possible that it could be a 9.2 or even a 9.0 or an 8.0 for that matter. After all grading is very subjective . One mans 9.2 maybe another mans 8.5. What I really would like to see is the CGC graders notes on this book to see what the pregrader and the final graders gave it. After all we are talking about less than 1 point in the grades

 

Just a $500 difference, that's all

 

even with a $500.00 difference Is it not possible that who ever bought or buys the book may believe it to be higher OR lower than the CGC grade of 8.5? I mean come on how many of us have bought a PGX book cracked it out and submitted it to CGC and a different grade higher or lower comes back. Just using that to make a point that grading is very subjuctive and if you asked 20 different people to look at the book in hand I would say you would get a range of 8.0-9.2. I understand that there is a big difference in price. However, if the buyer or potenial buyer agrees with the grade the Dr gave it and is completely happy . Is there anything wrong with that?

 

Its a totally different situation if he sells it as a 9.2 and the buyer is unhappy and wants to return the book. As long as the Dr. refunds the money or adjusts the price accordingly then that would be ok as well IMHO

 

You're missing the point by about a mile.

 

Muscleshark bought a pressed, slabbed 8.5 book - he cracks it, offers up it for sale as 9.2 raw, and doesn't disclose the fact that it was pressed (which I personally don't care about) and that it was previously graded as a 8.5 (which I do care about).

 

If you don't see the blatant dishonesty in that, you shouldn't be selling here on the boards either.

 

On the side of being open minded, I sold a bronze key to Jive who thought it looked much better than the assigned CGC grade and so he gave it a straight resub and it went from a CGC 9.0 to a CGC 9.6. True story.

 

On the topic of this thread, Frank just lied through his teeth without flinching a muscle. They are without a doubt the same book. That's enough for me.

 

 

In my opinion...Roy , you are a hopeless dope without a clue. Nothing more...nothing less, wow a real leader of the masses......

 

Again, I will say. Grow up Frank. You can either show proof or not. You will know what will happen either way

 

Find your own "Get Rich Quick" scheme...pretty sure Danny Dupcak already tried this one and failed

 

ohhhhhhhh SNAP.

 

don't get all excited, everyone is carpping on me because of what I said. So this newb will post no more on comic threads, as I don't have that much to offer I guess

 

Could be worse, they could be riding you in the Out of Context thread.

 

yeah, today wouldn't be the best day for the either if you can't tell

[ChasingKingKirby]

Is this the same book?

103 - Yes

3 - No

 

 

Either Franky has three accounts or about 2% of board members can't work a mouse while drunk.

 

 

[GACollectibles]

 

yeah, today wouldn't be the best day for the either if you can't tell

 

No worries, beer and sweet potato fries on Saturday!

[LovinTheSurfer]

 

yeah, today wouldn't be the best day for the either if you can't tell

 

No worries, beer and sweet potato fries on Saturday!

 

before or after the show??

Edited April 23, 2010 by LovinTheSurfer

[GACollectibles]

 

yeah, today wouldn't be the best day for the either if you can't tell

 

No worries, beer and sweet potato fries on Saturday!

 

before or after the show??

 

Yes!

[CKB]

You will know soon enough, I have an email in to find out your exposure here Krypto . You have a huge mouth, I certainly hope you are ready to back it up ?

I'm not trying to egg you on in this situation. But last time something blew up, you threatened people, promised to F their mothers, and all sorts of irrational challenges.

 

I'd recommend not going down that path again, and threatening fellow board members. Especially sending emails demanding someone's personal info, which CGC would never expose themselves like that without a court order.

 

Just go the path of truth, and if anything after looking this book over you felt CGC made a mistake. It is very clear this is the same book.

 

The only mistake was not revealing in the sales thread this was formly graded by CGC and pressed. I think that is what has folks up in arms, and rightly so.

 

Bosco...Thanks for taking a rational approach here with this comment. You are right about "last time" I did blow up and I shouldn't have. I am not making any threats here....I am simply stating the facts....Krypto has defamed me publicly, if I have legal recourse I will in fact be taking that path. No threats....just hoping he is ready to back up his very big mouth . I have done nothing wrong here. Just because I have sold the books doesn't make me guilty, also have done nothing to him personally . I should know by tomorrow what recourse I have of a legal sort.I also have a call into someone that actually witnessed me selling the CGC 8.5 at WonderCon.

 

I can see the way this is going down now.... Sold the book at Wondercon, then later bought a collection that included the now deslabbed Avengers 57 without knowing it was the same book. Then listed it here.

 

There is no doubt it is the same book.

 

What are the chances? It's an enigma wrapped in a paradox.

 

[toro]

 

 

 

Hulk head hurts from this thread!

 

Flee though makes Hulk laugh with funny picture. hahaha

 

(Actually I was drinking something and almost choked from laughing so hard.)

 

 

[G.A.tor]

I want to make sure I have this right. He is claiming that he sold he book listed in the thread on eBay, so he had that book listed on the boards and eBay at the same time? That's a right there. I'm too lazy to go back, but I believe he said it sold off eBay this morning. So when was it listed?

 

No.

 

Read the thread.

 

He sold the book listed in the Board sales to "an eBay buyer". Didn't say it was listed ON eBay. He contacted some folk who had bought from Frank ON eBay and asked if they'd be interested in the book. One said yes.

 

NO eBay "sale" link. NO "paper trail".

 

NO listing of the book here and on eBay at the same time - for what it's worth.

I was going to wade through all the posts to make sure someone else could read what he said too... saved me 7 more pages

[G.A.tor]

Let me kill the thread some more: Tim Tebow was drafted in the 1st round by Denver

wow..had to put the girls to bed and i missed a lot...

Tim doesn't even have to change the color's of his room or bed sheets now...

[G.A.tor]

 

this thread had accomplished what it set out to do, alert the cgc boards to how this particular seller approaches selling books... but if this particular seller doesn't comply to someone elses standards, then I am not sure I would say "dishonest', but more along the lines of "not disclosing to one's fellow boardies"

 

we would hope that we would be motivated to help each other out, but folks, come on, that just ain't the way the wheel turns

 

 

Stop with the logic, reason and open minded approach to this situation.

 

You're going to ruin a perfectly good thread.

 

Are you covering for Roy this evening Rick?

 

 

Damn now THAT is funny

 

Not if you're Rick Roy it isn't.

 

[pickycollector]

The action thus far:

 

- Raw book listed for sale on the boards as 9.2 was cracked out of an 8.5 slab.

- PQ graded c/ow by CGC represented as ow by the seller of the raw copy

- Pressing undisclosed by the seller of the raw copy

- The two books are unequivocally the same, but the seller of the raw copy claims otherwise

- Group psychology in play leads to pitchforks being brandished and torches being lit in search of the seller of the raw copy

- The seller of the raw copy is a shill and has a track record of problematic board interaction

- Inevitable thread entropy leads to threat of legal action by seller of the raw copy

 

Conclusion:

 

Nobody is making their families proud here. There are a number of board members who sell raw comics here and have high integrity - they deserve the lion's share of the business.

 

+1 (thumbs u

 

I almost bought a book from Dr Frankenstein yesterday, I am glad I gave myself one more day to think about it after a few PM's exchanged. I didn't even know his past history

 

 

damn, this thread has been so distracting that I forgot all about the CL auction tonight...saved some money for not bidding and winning

 

Me too !! I can't believe I spent the whole evening reading this thread, I totally forgot about Comiclink auctions, I missed three books I needed

 

[ImageMask]

The action thus far:

 

- Raw book listed for sale on the boards as 9.2 was cracked out of an 8.5 slab.

- PQ graded c/ow by CGC represented as ow by the seller of the raw copy

- Pressing undisclosed by the seller of the raw copy

- The two books are unequivocally the same, but the seller of the raw copy claims otherwise

- Group psychology in play leads to pitchforks being brandished and torches being lit in search of the seller of the raw copy

- The seller of the raw copy is a shill and has a track record of problematic board interaction

- Inevitable thread entropy leads to threat of legal action by seller of the raw copy

 

Conclusion:

 

Nobody is making their families proud here. There are a number of board members who sell raw comics here and have high integrity - they deserve the lion's share of the business.

 

+1 (thumbs u

 

I almost bought a book from Dr Frankenstein yesterday, I am glad I gave myself one more day to think about it after a few PM's exchanged. I didn't even know his past history

 

 

damn, this thread has been so distracting that I forgot all about the CL auction tonight...saved some money for not bidding and winning

 

Me too !! I can't believe I spent the whole evening reading this thread, I totally forgot about Comiclink auctions, I missed three books I needed

 

Thank you. I just cleaned up. Save the images and wait for the "crack and smash."

 

[iggy]

 

 

 

Edit: I just realised the monster has two left hands. Boy, that was some mixed up Dr.

 

No, he's got a right and a left hand, the hand on the left, if twisted up that way would have the thumb pointing to the outside... like it does.

[Warren Oates]

hang em, hang em high

[ImageMask]

 

 

 

Edit: I just realised the monster has two left hands. Boy, that was some mixed up Dr.

 

No, he's got a right and a left hand, the hand on the left, if twisted up that way would have the thumb pointing to the outside... like it does.

 

yup.... the hands are right. just the thumbs are wrong.......one should be up his arse!