Dishonest stuff going on in the Board Only Sales Area Forum...Sad. 5 5

[DiceX]

Damn, this thread is just sucking the life out of my Archie thread.

 

Just you wait. I hear Archie can suck the dimples off of a golf ball.

 

 

[ImageMask]

I have one question about all of this. Even if the book is the same as the other. Is it not possible that it could be a 9.2 or even a 9.0 or an 8.0 for that matter. After all grading is very subjective . One mans 9.2 maybe another mans 8.5. What I really would like to see is the CGC graders notes on this book to see what the pregrader and the final graders gave it. After all we are talking about less than 1 point in the grades

 

Just a $500 difference, that's all

 

even with a $500.00 difference Is it not possible that who ever bought or buys the book may believe it to be higher OR lower than the CGC grade of 8.5? I mean come on how many of us have bought a PGX book cracked it out and submitted it to CGC and a different grade higher or lower comes back. Just using that to make a point that grading is very subjuctive and if you asked 20 different people to look at the book in hand I would say you would get a range of 8.0-9.2. I understand that there is a big difference in price. However, if the buyer or potenial buyer agrees with the grade the Dr gave it and is completely happy . Is there anything wrong with that?

 

Its a totally different situation if he sells it as a 9.2 and the buyer is unhappy and wants to return the book. As long as the Dr. refunds the money or adjusts the price accordingly then that would be ok as well IMHO

 

You're missing the point by about a mile.

 

Muscleshark bought a pressed, slabbed 8.5 book - he cracks it, offers up it for sale as 9.2 raw, and doesn't disclose the fact that it was pressed (which I personally don't care about) and that it was previously graded as a 8.5 (which I do care about).

 

If you don't see the blatant dishonesty in that, you shouldn't be selling here on the boards either.

 

On the side of being open minded, I sold a bronze key to Jive who thought it looked much better than the assigned CGC grade and so he gave it a straight resub and it went from a CGC 9.0 to a CGC 9.6. True story.

 

On the topic of this thread, Frank just lied through his teeth without flinching a muscle. They are without a doubt the same book. That's enough for me.

 

 

In my opinion...Roy , you are a hopeless dope without a clue. Nothing more...nothing less, wow a real leader of the masses......

 

Again, I will say. Grow up Frank. You can either show proof or not. You will know what will happen either way

 

Find your own "Get Rich Quick" scheme...pretty sure Danny Dupcak already tried this one and failed

 

I thought Danny was quite successful at what he does? :shrug:

 

but did it end well? Does he have a better reputation because of the things he did?

 

remains to be seen. and a matter of opinion.

[tortoise]

I want to make sure I have this right. He is claiming that he sold he book listed in the thread on eBay, so he had that book listed on the boards and eBay at the same time? That's a right there. I'm too lazy to go back, but I believe he said it sold off eBay this morning. So when was it listed?

 

2 diff books

krypto's book on ebay, a seperate book here

[Dick Pontoon]

Damn, this thread is just sucking the life out of my Archie thread.

 

Just you wait. I hear Archie can suck the dimples off of a golf ball.

 

 

I heard it was the chrome off a bumper.

[ImageMask]

Damn, this thread is just sucking the life out of my Archie thread.

 

Just you wait. I hear Archie can suck the dimples off of a golf ball.

 

 

but can he suck'm off a basketball?

[FoomMember]

dammmmmit.....I'm gonna have to PAY for this next shipment....

 

 

at least I'll have some proof.

[LovinTheSurfer]

I have one question about all of this. Even if the book is the same as the other. Is it not possible that it could be a 9.2 or even a 9.0 or an 8.0 for that matter. After all grading is very subjective . One mans 9.2 maybe another mans 8.5. What I really would like to see is the CGC graders notes on this book to see what the pregrader and the final graders gave it. After all we are talking about less than 1 point in the grades

 

Just a $500 difference, that's all

 

even with a $500.00 difference Is it not possible that who ever bought or buys the book may believe it to be higher OR lower than the CGC grade of 8.5? I mean come on how many of us have bought a PGX book cracked it out and submitted it to CGC and a different grade higher or lower comes back. Just using that to make a point that grading is very subjuctive and if you asked 20 different people to look at the book in hand I would say you would get a range of 8.0-9.2. I understand that there is a big difference in price. However, if the buyer or potenial buyer agrees with the grade the Dr gave it and is completely happy . Is there anything wrong with that?

 

Its a totally different situation if he sells it as a 9.2 and the buyer is unhappy and wants to return the book. As long as the Dr. refunds the money or adjusts the price accordingly then that would be ok as well IMHO

 

You're missing the point by about a mile.

 

Muscleshark bought a pressed, slabbed 8.5 book - he cracks it, offers up it for sale as 9.2 raw, and doesn't disclose the fact that it was pressed (which I personally don't care about) and that it was previously graded as a 8.5 (which I do care about).

 

If you don't see the blatant dishonesty in that, you shouldn't be selling here on the boards either.

 

On the side of being open minded, I sold a bronze key to Jive who thought it looked much better than the assigned CGC grade and so he gave it a straight resub and it went from a CGC 9.0 to a CGC 9.6. True story.

 

On the topic of this thread, Frank just lied through his teeth without flinching a muscle. They are without a doubt the same book. That's enough for me.

 

 

In my opinion...Roy , you are a hopeless dope without a clue. Nothing more...nothing less, wow a real leader of the masses......

 

Again, I will say. Grow up Frank. You can either show proof or not. You will know what will happen either way

 

Find your own "Get Rich Quick" scheme...pretty sure Danny Dupcak already tried this one and failed

 

I thought Danny was quite successful at what he does? :shrug:

 

but did it end well? Does he have a better reputation because of the things he did?

 

remains to be seen. and a matter of opinion.

 

well, IMO, from what I gather, screwing people over just to make a buck for yourself is pretty

[lizards2]

I have one question about all of this. Even if the book is the same as the other. Is it not possible that it could be a 9.2 or even a 9.0 or an 8.0 for that matter. After all grading is very subjective . One mans 9.2 maybe another mans 8.5. What I really would like to see is the CGC graders notes on this book to see what the pregrader and the final graders gave it. After all we are talking about less than 1 point in the grades

 

Just a $500 difference, that's all

 

even with a $500.00 difference Is it not possible that who ever bought or buys the book may believe it to be higher OR lower than the CGC grade of 8.5? I mean come on how many of us have bought a PGX book cracked it out and submitted it to CGC and a different grade higher or lower comes back. Just using that to make a point that grading is very subjuctive and if you asked 20 different people to look at the book in hand I would say you would get a range of 8.0-9.2. I understand that there is a big difference in price. However, if the buyer or potenial buyer agrees with the grade the Dr gave it and is completely happy . Is there anything wrong with that?

 

Its a totally different situation if he sells it as a 9.2 and the buyer is unhappy and wants to return the book. As long as the Dr. refunds the money or adjusts the price accordingly then that would be ok as well IMHO

 

You're missing the point by about a mile.

 

Muscleshark bought a pressed, slabbed 8.5 book - he cracks it, offers up it for sale as 9.2 raw, and doesn't disclose the fact that it was pressed (which I personally don't care about) and that it was previously graded as a 8.5 (which I do care about).

 

If you don't see the blatant dishonesty in that, you shouldn't be selling here on the boards either.

 

On the side of being open minded, I sold a bronze key to Jive who thought it looked much better than the assigned CGC grade and so he gave it a straight resub and it went from a CGC 9.0 to a CGC 9.6. True story.

 

On the topic of this thread, Frank just lied through his teeth without flinching a muscle. They are without a doubt the same book. That's enough for me.

 

 

In my opinion...Roy , you are a hopeless dope without a clue. Nothing more...nothing less, wow a real leader of the masses......

 

Again, I will say. Grow up Frank. You can either show proof or not. You will know what will happen either way

 

Find your own "Get Rich Quick" scheme...pretty sure Danny Dupcak already tried this one and failed

 

I thought Danny was quite successful at what he does? :shrug:

 

but did it end well? Does he have a better reputation because of the things he did?

I doubt many consider that a measure of success, but I agree with you that it ought to be.

 

[The Black Hand ®]

Damn, this thread is just sucking the life out of my Archie thread.

 

Just you wait. I hear Archie can suck the dimples off of a pair of dice.

 

 

Fixed it for ya.

[TheWatcher]

Let me kill the thread some more: Tim Tebow was drafted in the 1st round by Denver

[Duffman_Comics]

I want to make sure I have this right. He is claiming that he sold he book listed in the thread on eBay, so he had that book listed on the boards and eBay at the same time? That's a right there. I'm too lazy to go back, but I believe he said it sold off eBay this morning. So when was it listed?

 

No.

 

Read the thread.

 

He sold the book listed in the Board sales to "an eBay buyer". Didn't say it was listed ON eBay. He contacted some folk who had bought from Frank ON eBay and asked if they'd be interested in the book. One said yes.

 

NO eBay "sale" link. NO "paper trail".

 

NO listing of the book here and on eBay at the same time - for what it's worth.

[drewincanada]

Let's at least get FRANKIE's twisted version of the facts straight:

 

• He claims that he never listed the 8.5 slabbed book here. He claims that he sold it at Wondercon to someone - but he hasn't said to whom. He also claims to have a witness who saw the sale.

 

• He claims that he listed the (different) raw 9.2 copy here on the board. He never listed it on Ebay. He claims he sent some emails out to some of his previous customers, and one of those customers (who had previous bought from him on Ebay) took him up on the deal and he shipped the book out to the guy this morning.

 

For what it's worth, there it is.

[ImageMask]

I have one question about all of this. Even if the book is the same as the other. Is it not possible that it could be a 9.2 or even a 9.0 or an 8.0 for that matter. After all grading is very subjective . One mans 9.2 maybe another mans 8.5. What I really would like to see is the CGC graders notes on this book to see what the pregrader and the final graders gave it. After all we are talking about less than 1 point in the grades

 

Just a $500 difference, that's all

 

even with a $500.00 difference Is it not possible that who ever bought or buys the book may believe it to be higher OR lower than the CGC grade of 8.5? I mean come on how many of us have bought a PGX book cracked it out and submitted it to CGC and a different grade higher or lower comes back. Just using that to make a point that grading is very subjuctive and if you asked 20 different people to look at the book in hand I would say you would get a range of 8.0-9.2. I understand that there is a big difference in price. However, if the buyer or potenial buyer agrees with the grade the Dr gave it and is completely happy . Is there anything wrong with that?

 

Its a totally different situation if he sells it as a 9.2 and the buyer is unhappy and wants to return the book. As long as the Dr. refunds the money or adjusts the price accordingly then that would be ok as well IMHO

 

You're missing the point by about a mile.

 

Muscleshark bought a pressed, slabbed 8.5 book - he cracks it, offers up it for sale as 9.2 raw, and doesn't disclose the fact that it was pressed (which I personally don't care about) and that it was previously graded as a 8.5 (which I do care about).

 

If you don't see the blatant dishonesty in that, you shouldn't be selling here on the boards either.

 

On the side of being open minded, I sold a bronze key to Jive who thought it looked much better than the assigned CGC grade and so he gave it a straight resub and it went from a CGC 9.0 to a CGC 9.6. True story.

 

On the topic of this thread, Frank just lied through his teeth without flinching a muscle. They are without a doubt the same book. That's enough for me.

 

 

In my opinion...Roy , you are a hopeless dope without a clue. Nothing more...nothing less, wow a real leader of the masses......

 

Again, I will say. Grow up Frank. You can either show proof or not. You will know what will happen either way

 

Find your own "Get Rich Quick" scheme...pretty sure Danny Dupcak already tried this one and failed

 

I thought Danny was quite successful at what he does? :shrug:

 

but did it end well? Does he have a better reputation because of the things he did?

 

remains to be seen. and a matter of opinion.

 

well, IMO, from what I gather, screwing people over just to make a buck for yourself is pretty

 

I agree. But he banks well on ebay. How that ends remains to be seen. As for his "rep"...the eBay auctions still get bids.

 

We all know "here" he is a DB. But we are a limited group. Don't be naive.

[FoomMember]

I know it's not the right place to sell a book but what the hey...this book is COMPLETELY unrestored and I bought it from a guy in humboldt county who said it was the last one in existence.

 

5 billion dollars asking price.. and yes, it's pressed and convicted.

 

[drewincanada]

I want to make sure I have this right. He is claiming that he sold he book listed in the thread on eBay, so he had that book listed on the boards and eBay at the same time? That's a right there. I'm too lazy to go back, but I believe he said it sold off eBay this morning. So when was it listed?

 

No.

 

Read the thread.

 

He sold the book listed in the Board sales to "an eBay buyer". Didn't say it was listed ON eBay. He contacted some folk who had bought from Frank ON eBay and asked if they'd be interested in the book. One said yes.

 

NO eBay "sale" link. NO "paper trail".

 

NO listing of the book here and on eBay at the same time - [font:Arial Black]for what it's worth[/font].

 

 

We both had Buffalo Springfield on our minds.

[LovinTheSurfer]

I have one question about all of this. Even if the book is the same as the other. Is it not possible that it could be a 9.2 or even a 9.0 or an 8.0 for that matter. After all grading is very subjective . One mans 9.2 maybe another mans 8.5. What I really would like to see is the CGC graders notes on this book to see what the pregrader and the final graders gave it. After all we are talking about less than 1 point in the grades

 

Just a $500 difference, that's all

 

even with a $500.00 difference Is it not possible that who ever bought or buys the book may believe it to be higher OR lower than the CGC grade of 8.5? I mean come on how many of us have bought a PGX book cracked it out and submitted it to CGC and a different grade higher or lower comes back. Just using that to make a point that grading is very subjuctive and if you asked 20 different people to look at the book in hand I would say you would get a range of 8.0-9.2. I understand that there is a big difference in price. However, if the buyer or potenial buyer agrees with the grade the Dr gave it and is completely happy . Is there anything wrong with that?

 

Its a totally different situation if he sells it as a 9.2 and the buyer is unhappy and wants to return the book. As long as the Dr. refunds the money or adjusts the price accordingly then that would be ok as well IMHO

 

You're missing the point by about a mile.

 

Muscleshark bought a pressed, slabbed 8.5 book - he cracks it, offers up it for sale as 9.2 raw, and doesn't disclose the fact that it was pressed (which I personally don't care about) and that it was previously graded as a 8.5 (which I do care about).

 

If you don't see the blatant dishonesty in that, you shouldn't be selling here on the boards either.

 

On the side of being open minded, I sold a bronze key to Jive who thought it looked much better than the assigned CGC grade and so he gave it a straight resub and it went from a CGC 9.0 to a CGC 9.6. True story.

 

On the topic of this thread, Frank just lied through his teeth without flinching a muscle. They are without a doubt the same book. That's enough for me.

 

 

In my opinion...Roy , you are a hopeless dope without a clue. Nothing more...nothing less, wow a real leader of the masses......

 

Again, I will say. Grow up Frank. You can either show proof or not. You will know what will happen either way

 

Find your own "Get Rich Quick" scheme...pretty sure Danny Dupcak already tried this one and failed

 

I thought Danny was quite successful at what he does? :shrug:

 

but did it end well? Does he have a better reputation because of the things he did?

 

remains to be seen. and a matter of opinion.

 

well, IMO, from what I gather, screwing people over just to make a buck for yourself is pretty

 

I agree. But he banks well on ebay. How that ends remains to be seen. As for his "rep"...the eBay auctions still get bids.

 

We all know "here" he is a DB. But we are a limited group. Don't be naive.

 

Well thanks for letting me know, but you didn't have to go as far as calling me naive.

[KryptoSpidey]

Let me kill the thread some more: Tim Tebow was drafted in the 1st round by Denver

wow..had to put the girls to bed and i missed a lot...

Tim doesn't even have to change the color's of his room or bed sheets now...

[TheWatcher]

Let's at least get FRANKIE's twisted version of the facts straight:

 

• He claims that he never listed the 8.5 slabbed book here. He claims that he sold it at Wondercon to someone - but he hasn't said to whom. He also claims to have a witness who saw the sale.

 

• He claims that he listed the (different) raw 9.2 copy here on the board. He never listed it on Ebay. He claims he sent some emails out to some of his previous customers, and one of those customers (who had previous bought from him on Ebay) took him up on the deal and he shipped the book out to the guy this morning.

 

For what it's worth, there it is.

 

I wish I had said the same thing 5 pages ago

[Vtcomics]

 

this thread had accomplished what it set out to do, alert the cgc boards to how this particular seller approaches selling books... but if this particular seller doesn't comply to someone elses standards, then I am not sure I would say "dishonest', but more along the lines of "not disclosing to one's fellow boardies"

 

we would hope that we would be motivated to help each other out, but folks, come on, that just ain't the way the wheel turns

 

 

Stop with the logic, reason and open minded approach to this situation.

 

You're going to ruin a perfectly good thread.

 

Are you covering for Roy this evening Rick?

 

 

Damn now THAT is funny

[reed_richards]

Brian.....These are two different scans

That's the same book. Anyone with any attention to detail can see that. Maybe I couldn't give the book an accurate grade, but I can see the spine ticks are in the same exact place.

 

Although I have not been accused of any wrongdoing online that I had to defend myself against, I do understand how infuriating it would be to have my name dragged through the mud for something I didn't do. Because of that, I wouldn't be first to run your name through the mud or call you a thief. If you still have the pressed 8.5 you could clear this up right now by posting a photo of the slab and a sign indicating the date and time.

 

I have to say though, your claim that these are different books (when they obviously are not) combined with the problems you have had in the past as well as your accusers being honest members of the boards has me siding with them on the issue.

 

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