Was Iron Man 55 really Thanos true first appearance?

[kav]

Hulk #180 is NOT A CAMEO.

If ONE PANEL - the absolute minimum appearance in comics - isn't a cameo/brief appearance, I don't know what is.

Cameo is a movie term and shouldn't even be used in comics. A cameo is a first appearance. Even in movies.

 

No. In movie terms....a cameo can NEVER be a first appearance.

I didn't know that.

So what exact number of minutes screen time does hollywood consider a cameo?

[bronze_rules]

Hulk #180 is NOT A CAMEO.

If ONE PANEL - the absolute minimum appearance in comics - isn't a cameo/brief appearance, I don't know what is.

Cameo is a movie term and shouldn't even be used in comics. A cameo is a first appearance. Even in movies.

 

No. In movie terms....a cameo can NEVER be a first appearance.

I didn't know that.

So what exact number of minutes screen time does hollywood consider a cameo?

 

It could be a cameo and 1st film appearance as well. But I agree, a cameo can happen many times in many movies and so it might not always have the distinction of being a first appearance; just think of Stan Lee or Stephen King cameos (plenty). Although it's fuzzy, I also don't really agree that these cases are really first appearances, as we've obviously been acquainted with those characters and personas far before the films.

[kav]

Hulk #180 is NOT A CAMEO.

If ONE PANEL - the absolute minimum appearance in comics - isn't a cameo/brief appearance, I don't know what is.

Cameo is a movie term and shouldn't even be used in comics. A cameo is a first appearance. Even in movies.

 

No. In movie terms....a cameo can NEVER be a first appearance.

I didn't know that.

So what exact number of minutes screen time does hollywood consider a cameo?

 

I could be a cameo and 1st film appearance as well. But I agree, a cameo can happen many times in many movies and so it might not always have the distinction of being a first appearance; just think of Stan Lee or Stephen King cameos (plenty).

So since Stan Lee has had only cameos and in film a cameo is not an appearance we can say Stan Lee has never appeared in movies?

[bronze_rules]

Hulk #180 is NOT A CAMEO.

If ONE PANEL - the absolute minimum appearance in comics - isn't a cameo/brief appearance, I don't know what is.

Cameo is a movie term and shouldn't even be used in comics. A cameo is a first appearance. Even in movies.

 

No. In movie terms....a cameo can NEVER be a first appearance.

I didn't know that.

So what exact number of minutes screen time does hollywood consider a cameo?

 

I could be a cameo and 1st film appearance as well. But I agree, a cameo can happen many times in many movies and so it might not always have the distinction of being a first appearance; just think of Stan Lee or Stephen King cameos (plenty).

So since Stan Lee has had only cameos and in film a cameo is not an appearance we can say Stan Lee has never appeared in movies?

 

How did you arrive at that? Not making a first appearance does not equate to 'not' making an appearance at all. And who said a cameo is not an appearance?

[kav]

Hulk #180 is NOT A CAMEO.

If ONE PANEL - the absolute minimum appearance in comics - isn't a cameo/brief appearance, I don't know what is.

Cameo is a movie term and shouldn't even be used in comics. A cameo is a first appearance. Even in movies.

 

No. In movie terms....a cameo can NEVER be a first appearance.

I didn't know that.

So what exact number of minutes screen time does hollywood consider a cameo?

 

I could be a cameo and 1st film appearance as well. But I agree, a cameo can happen many times in many movies and so it might not always have the distinction of being a first appearance; just think of Stan Lee or Stephen King cameos (plenty).

So since Stan Lee has had only cameos and in film a cameo is not an appearance we can say Stan Lee has never appeared in movies?

 

How did you arrive at that? Not making a first appearance does not equate to 'not' making an appearance at all.

So Stan does have a 'first appearance'? And, it's a cameo?......hmmmmm

[bronze_rules]

Hulk #180 is NOT A CAMEO.

If ONE PANEL - the absolute minimum appearance in comics - isn't a cameo/brief appearance, I don't know what is.

Cameo is a movie term and shouldn't even be used in comics. A cameo is a first appearance. Even in movies.

 

No. In movie terms....a cameo can NEVER be a first appearance.

I didn't know that.

So what exact number of minutes screen time does hollywood consider a cameo?

 

I could be a cameo and 1st film appearance as well. But I agree, a cameo can happen many times in many movies and so it might not always have the distinction of being a first appearance; just think of Stan Lee or Stephen King cameos (plenty).

So since Stan Lee has had only cameos and in film a cameo is not an appearance we can say Stan Lee has never appeared in movies?

 

How did you arrive at that? Not making a first appearance does not equate to 'not' making an appearance at all.

So Stan does have a 'first appearance'? And, it's a cameo?......hmmmmm

 

Sure, his first appearance is somewhere in New York City. I didn't explicitly state Stan had a first appearance in movies (you could argue the first 'film' appearance was spider-man animation), but again, since their personas are already known and established prior to the films, I'd just call all of those individual appearances for Stan and Stephen, cameos.

[kav]

Ok. I thought you said a cameo is not a first appearance in film.

[THE_BEYONDER]

Ok. I thought you said a cameo is not a first appearance in film.

 

 

a brief appearance or voice part of a KNOWN person

[kav]

Ok. I thought you said a cameo is not a first appearance in film.

 

 

a brief appearance or voice part of a KNOWN person

So since Wolverine in 180 was not a known person it was not a cameo.

It's his first appearance.

Bingo

[THE_BEYONDER]

Ok. I thought you said a cameo is not a first appearance in film.

 

 

a brief appearance or voice part of a KNOWN person

So since Wolverine in 180 was not a known person it was not a cameo.

It's his first appearance.

Bingo

 

Exactly

[bronze_rules]

Ok. I thought you said a cameo is not a first appearance in film.

 

 

a brief appearance or voice part of a KNOWN person

So since Wolverine in 180 was not a known person it was not a cameo.

It's his first appearance.

Bingo

 

I argued it's his first appearance AND cameo. Not mutually exclusive in my eyes.

Reading the above, I see the semantic argument of using or not using the term cameo... maybe first and brief appearance is better.

[kav]

CGC: we've just eliminated the 'cameo' argument-please start labeling 180 correctly.

[kav]

Ok. I thought you said a cameo is not a first appearance in film.

 

 

a brief appearance or voice part of a KNOWN person

So since Wolverine in 180 was not a known person it was not a cameo.

It's his first appearance.

Bingo

 

I argued it's his first appearance AND cameo. Not mutually exclusive in my eyes.

It can't be a cameo if cameo is defined as a known person.

[bronze_rules]

Ok. I thought you said a cameo is not a first appearance in film.

 

 

a brief appearance or voice part of a KNOWN person

So since Wolverine in 180 was not a known person it was not a cameo.

It's his first appearance.

Bingo

 

I argued it's his first appearance AND cameo. Not mutually exclusive in my eyes.

It can't be a cameo if cameo is defined as a known person.

 

Bizzare - but yep, I commented on that in my edit to prior post.

[kav]

I'm calling this the greatest controversy in comics.

By all standards of logic and with comparative studies eg Darkseid, 180 IS THE FIRST APPEARANCE OF WOLVERINE. PERIOD.

[kav]

A cameo can be a first appearance in film, because they are real people.

With fictional characters, the first appearance cannot be a cameo, but just a first appearance.

[THE_BEYONDER]

A cameo can be a first appearance in film, because they are real people.

With fictional characters, the first appearance cannot be a cameo, but just a first appearance.

 

Noted

[bronze_rules]

In light of the (good) arguments being made, how about, first minor appearance and first major appearance (in those exceptional cases), and then cameos? Would seem to fit all the conditions.

[kav]

That would work. I just hate how 180 has been basically ignored for what it is.

First minor appearance and introduction of Wolverine. He actually introduces himself.

[kav]

 

True but we're not talking 'coolest appearance' here we're talking 'first appearance'-that should be all that matters...