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[maloney414]

Peter Panzerfaust #1 has now had 2 sales over $500.

 

To be fair, those were both SS 9.8's with sketches. 3 blue labels sold for over $400 but the sales have been cancelled and no longer show as sold. One blue label showing sold for $355 but the last two sales before that were $200 and $140.

 

I own two blue's and would love it to be a $500 book but still would caution other potential buyers to be leery of the pricing right now as there seems to be some shilling afoot.

 

these thin markets are so easy to manipulate. this is worse than penny stocks.

 

So explain the raw that just sold for $350?

No manipulation here, just thousands of people wanting a very scarce book.

If it helps you to think its all smoke and mirrors, fair enough, but those of us who have followed, and purchased this book from day 1, know exactly the amount of "need" that is in the market right now.

I bought my first PP #1 9.8 (blue) with a 9.8 copy of Alpha Girl (blue) for $70 - 6 months ago.

I was in right from the start and knew, even at $110 for #1 - #6 that this was a winner.

If I see a raw run of #1 - #8 for $300 or less - I will buy without hesitation.

There is still an awful lot of room in this book.

Simply because it is awesome.

Brilliantly awesome.

 

I don't think "thousands" of people want this book for the current price it's fetching.

 

The values went up to crazy levels because of the TV show deal in the works. Speculators want the next WD.

 

Look, I've read the series, and it is great stuff. HOWEVER, you can't honestly make the claim that the sudden increase in value is due solely to new readers discovering this brilliantly awesome book and now want to collect it and own a #1 for their personal collection at the current price point.

 

Why? Basic economics of supply and demand.

 

Compare the ratio of #1's print run to the current issue. The writer stated in the PP thread they still sell less than 5,000 copies per issue. Since #1 had a print run of 4,814 that's almost a 1 to 1 correspondence for all the true fans collecting the book to own a copy of #1. Mathematically, that would not cause the prices you see on eBay. Obviously, the added demand is coming from people who DON'T read the series. So who is it? It's specualtor's who know the book has a low print run and a TV show in the works driving up the demand.

[John91C]

Peter Panzerfaust #1 has now had 2 sales over $500.

 

To be fair, those were both SS 9.8's with sketches. 3 blue labels sold for over $400 but the sales have been cancelled and no longer show as sold. One blue label showing sold for $355 but the last two sales before that were $200 and $140.

 

I own two blue's and would love it to be a $500 book but still would caution other potential buyers to be leery of the pricing right now as there seems to be some shilling afoot.

 

these thin markets are so easy to manipulate. this is worse than penny stocks.

 

So explain the raw that just sold for $350?

No manipulation here, just thousands of people wanting a very scarce book.

If it helps you to think its all smoke and mirrors, fair enough, but those of us who have followed, and purchased this book from day 1, know exactly the amount of "need" that is in the market right now.

I bought my first PP #1 9.8 (blue) with a 9.8 copy of Alpha Girl (blue) for $70 - 6 months ago.

I was in right from the start and knew, even at $110 for #1 - #6 that this was a winner.

If I see a raw run of #1 - #8 for $300 or less - I will buy without hesitation.

There is still an awful lot of room in this book.

Simply because it is awesome.

Brilliantly awesome.

 

I don't think "thousands" of people want this book for the current price it's fetching.

 

The values went up to crazy levels because of the TV show deal in the works. Speculators want the next WD.

 

Look, I've read the series, and it is great stuff. HOWEVER, you can't honestly make the claim that the sudden increase in value is due solely to new readers discovering this brilliantly awesome book and now want to collect it and own a #1 for their personal collection at the current price point.

 

Why? Basic economics of supply and demand.

 

Compare the ratio of #1's print run to the current issue. The writer stated in the PP thread they still sell less than 5,000 copies per issue. Since #1 had a print run of 4,814 that's almost a 1 to 1 correspondence for all the true fans collecting the book to own a copy of #1. Mathematically, that would not cause the prices you see on eBay. Obviously, the added demand is coming from people who DON'T read the series. So who is it? It's specualtor's who know the book has a low print run and a TV show in the works driving up the demand.

 

I'm one of those that read the TPB and fell in love with the series! I had to have the regular issues so I went out and got a full run due to this being an excellent story. I added it both to my online subscription order service and my local subscription service.

 

I figure if I add these to my pull list it helps out the artist/writer! So this is one example of how the story/writing/art made me want this series. I do not care if it's made into a tv series!

[Beige]

TBH we may have to agree to disagree on the point of 'interest'.

I 100% agree that speculators have driven up the prices initially.

I would say though, that in that agreement with you - most people on here who jumped in early have more than 1 copy.

JJenius bought what,10 on a recent board sale alone,plus he has 30 odd raw!

 

I guess I am trying to say that 80% of PP #1 is POSSIBLY owned by boardies.

However, there are heaps of internet articles,renewed buzz in LCS (one boardie reported a PP only 'zone' at his LCS) - no reduction on Amazon - TPB etc etc.

That leaves say 20% of the circulation of PP #1 still 'in the wild'.

 

These are obviously guesstimates!

 

 

People follow trends - see the internet buzz, see increasing prices, see Midtown sold out in hours,and want one for themselves.

So despite your (which I don't get btw) the fact that the print run is so small is EXACTLY the reason why it is exploding.

The only argument is who is supplying the demand. I think its boardies getting in quick initially,followed by the general public swiftly following.

As 99.9% of the general public DON'T have a midtown account,they miss out.

 

This brings me to point 2

There is no logical reason for the print runs to be kept so small with the upsurge of interest. The demand is there - heck even boardies with their connections cannot get the current issue.

Image should be upping the run,but seem not to be, instead enjoying the 'second etc prints'.

This is keeping demand for 1st prints high.

There may be only 4814 #1 1st prints - but what was the total amount of #1's (all prints)?

8k?

10K?

Who knows (someone here probably!! ) but when you add the owners of #1 2nd print with new collectors jumping on board, new readers wanting in - I am quite happy that there is a huge untapped frustrated supply of wannabe buyers,some of whom are willing to pay top dollar to own the coveted 1st print #1.

 

Sorry thats a bit long winded,but I am trying to explain myself in such a way I don't annoy anyone. (thumbs u

[Mike's Rack]

Peter Panzerfaust #1 has now had 2 sales over $500.

 

To be fair, those were both SS 9.8's with sketches. 3 blue labels sold for over $400 but the sales have been cancelled and no longer show as sold. One blue label showing sold for $355 but the last two sales before that were $200 and $140.

 

I own two blue's and would love it to be a $500 book but still would caution other potential buyers to be leery of the pricing right now as there seems to be some shilling afoot.

 

these thin markets are so easy to manipulate. this is worse than penny stocks.

 

So explain the raw that just sold for $350?

No manipulation here, just thousands of people wanting a very scarce book.

If it helps you to think its all smoke and mirrors, fair enough, but those of us who have followed, and purchased this book from day 1, know exactly the amount of "need" that is in the market right now.

I bought my first PP #1 9.8 (blue) with a 9.8 copy of Alpha Girl (blue) for $70 - 6 months ago.

I was in right from the start and knew, even at $110 for #1 - #6 that this was a winner.

If I see a raw run of #1 - #8 for $300 or less - I will buy without hesitation.

There is still an awful lot of room in this book.

Simply because it is awesome.

Brilliantly awesome.

 

I don't think "thousands" of people want this book for the current price it's fetching.

 

The values went up to crazy levels because of the TV show deal in the works. Speculators want the next WD.

 

Look, I've read the series, and it is great stuff. HOWEVER, you can't honestly make the claim that the sudden increase in value is due solely to new readers discovering this brilliantly awesome book and now want to collect it and own a #1 for their personal collection at the current price point.

 

Why? Basic economics of supply and demand.

 

Compare the ratio of #1's print run to the current issue. The writer stated in the PP thread they still sell less than 5,000 copies per issue. Since #1 had a print run of 4,814 that's almost a 1 to 1 correspondence for all the true fans collecting the book to own a copy of #1. Mathematically, that would not cause the prices you see on eBay. Obviously, the added demand is coming from people who DON'T read the series. So who is it? It's specualtor's who know the book has a low print run and a TV show in the works driving up the demand.

Sanity, in this forum? I proclaim anathama on this heresy. I'm sitting on a short box and at these prices, I may cash out soon and buy some early Timley's.

[krighton]

don't cash out all at once...they're still 'rare'.

[youfoundjake]

don't cash out all at once...they're still 'rare'.

 

Agreed. The low print run, good twist an a classic story, possible tv show makes it a winner.

I will say it again, so glad i got mine for cover 3 weeks after release.

[mschmidt]

Peter Panzerfaust #1 has now had 2 sales over $500.

 

To be fair, those were both SS 9.8's with sketches. 3 blue labels sold for over $400 but the sales have been cancelled and no longer show as sold. One blue label showing sold for $355 but the last two sales before that were $200 and $140.

 

I own two blue's and would love it to be a $500 book but still would caution other potential buyers to be leery of the pricing right now as there seems to be some shilling afoot.

 

these thin markets are so easy to manipulate. this is worse than penny stocks.

 

So explain the raw that just sold for $350?

No manipulation here, just thousands of people wanting a very scarce book.

If it helps you to think its all smoke and mirrors, fair enough, but those of us who have followed, and purchased this book from day 1, know exactly the amount of "need" that is in the market right now.

I bought my first PP #1 9.8 (blue) with a 9.8 copy of Alpha Girl (blue) for $70 - 6 months ago.

I was in right from the start and knew, even at $110 for #1 - #6 that this was a winner.

If I see a raw run of #1 - #8 for $300 or less - I will buy without hesitation.

There is still an awful lot of room in this book.

Simply because it is awesome.

Brilliantly awesome.

 

I don't think "thousands" of people want this book for the current price it's fetching.

 

The values went up to crazy levels because of the TV show deal in the works. Speculators want the next WD.

 

Look, I've read the series, and it is great stuff. HOWEVER, you can't honestly make the claim that the sudden increase in value is due solely to new readers discovering this brilliantly awesome book and now want to collect it and own a #1 for their personal collection at the current price point.

 

Why? Basic economics of supply and demand.

 

Compare the ratio of #1's print run to the current issue. The writer stated in the PP thread they still sell less than 5,000 copies per issue. Since #1 had a print run of 4,814 that's almost a 1 to 1 correspondence for all the true fans collecting the book to own a copy of #1. Mathematically, that would not cause the prices you see on eBay. Obviously, the added demand is coming from people who DON'T read the series. So who is it? It's specualtor's who know the book has a low print run and a TV show in the works driving up the demand.

 

 

When a relatively new book jumps to the high levels as fast as we're seeing with PP #1, it's always due to speculators. It's crazy to think that someone who just bought the PP TPB at his local comic book store will immediately go on eBay and spend $300-400 on a CGC 9.8 copy of issue #1 - it just doesn't happen.

 

If you want to see what a non-speculator price curve looks like, Walking Dead up until 3-4 years ago is a perfect example - you saw slow, steady growth across the board for years & years as the book's following grew, with none of the insane price jumps that we're currently witnessing for PP #1 (or any of the other recent Image titles people have been speculating on).

 

It can't be stressed enough - speculators are looking for the next WD and they don't mind blowing a couple of hundred $$ for a book on the off-chance that it might be worth $2,000 some day.

 

Don't believe me? Pay attention to the sales numbers for the next 3-4 issues of PP - if they slow a steady, but modest growth, it'll give you a clear indicator of exactly what kind of monthly demand there is for this book. If they suddenly double overnight, I will, of course, happily eat my words, but I just don't foresee that happening.

 

One last thing: before this turns into yet another eBay selling point, whether Amazon US offers a discount on the price or not hasn't nothing to with demand. Amazon's book price is controlled by the publisher who specifies exactly which items can be discounted & by how much. Just look at some of the other Image TPBs currently on Amazon - there's no correlation between sales rank & discounts:

 

Saga TPB (ranked #388 in books) isn't discounted

Manhattan Projects TPB (ranked #5,827 in books) is discounted

 

The PP trade paperback is currently ranked #193,179 in books on Amazon so claiming any large demand on that site is obviously a fallacy.

[fastballspecial]

Peter Panzerfaust #1 has now had 2 sales over $500.

 

To be fair, those were both SS 9.8's with sketches. 3 blue labels sold for over $400 but the sales have been cancelled and no longer show as sold. One blue label showing sold for $355 but the last two sales before that were $200 and $140.

 

I own two blue's and would love it to be a $500 book but still would caution other potential buyers to be leery of the pricing right now as there seems to be some shilling afoot.

 

these thin markets are so easy to manipulate. this is worse than penny stocks.

 

So explain the raw that just sold for $350?

No manipulation here, just thousands of people wanting a very scarce book.

If it helps you to think its all smoke and mirrors, fair enough, but those of us who have followed, and purchased this book from day 1, know exactly the amount of "need" that is in the market right now.

I bought my first PP #1 9.8 (blue) with a 9.8 copy of Alpha Girl (blue) for $70 - 6 months ago.

I was in right from the start and knew, even at $110 for #1 - #6 that this was a winner.

If I see a raw run of #1 - #8 for $300 or less - I will buy without hesitation.

There is still an awful lot of room in this book.

Simply because it is awesome.

Brilliantly awesome.

 

I don't think "thousands" of people want this book for the current price it's fetching.

 

The values went up to crazy levels because of the TV show deal in the works. Speculators want the next WD.

 

Look, I've read the series, and it is great stuff. HOWEVER, you can't honestly make the claim that the sudden increase in value is due solely to new readers discovering this brilliantly awesome book and now want to collect it and own a #1 for their personal collection at the current price point.

 

Why? Basic economics of supply and demand.

 

Compare the ratio of #1's print run to the current issue. The writer stated in the PP thread they still sell less than 5,000 copies per issue. Since #1 had a print run of 4,814 that's almost a 1 to 1 correspondence for all the true fans collecting the book to own a copy of #1. Mathematically, that would not cause the prices you see on eBay. Obviously, the added demand is coming from people who DON'T read the series. So who is it? It's specualtor's who know the book has a low print run and a TV show in the works driving up the demand.

 

Every once in awhile some sanity comes to the boards. I hope the boardies here all make out like bandits. Just don't be the bandit holding the bag hoping for more. Get your profit and get out.

 

[krighton]

ding ding ding

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SAGA-1-1st-Print-Brian-K-Vaughan-Fiona-Staples-Image-MINT-NR-sold-out-/251217286158?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3a7db7940e

[Mike's Rack]

Peter Panzerfaust #1 has now had 2 sales over $500.

 

To be fair, those were both SS 9.8's with sketches. 3 blue labels sold for over $400 but the sales have been cancelled and no longer show as sold. One blue label showing sold for $355 but the last two sales before that were $200 and $140.

 

I own two blue's and would love it to be a $500 book but still would caution other potential buyers to be leery of the pricing right now as there seems to be some shilling afoot.

 

these thin markets are so easy to manipulate. this is worse than penny stocks.

 

So explain the raw that just sold for $350?

No manipulation here, just thousands of people wanting a very scarce book.

If it helps you to think its all smoke and mirrors, fair enough, but those of us who have followed, and purchased this book from day 1, know exactly the amount of "need" that is in the market right now.

I bought my first PP #1 9.8 (blue) with a 9.8 copy of Alpha Girl (blue) for $70 - 6 months ago.

I was in right from the start and knew, even at $110 for #1 - #6 that this was a winner.

If I see a raw run of #1 - #8 for $300 or less - I will buy without hesitation.

There is still an awful lot of room in this book.

Simply because it is awesome.

Brilliantly awesome.

 

I don't think "thousands" of people want this book for the current price it's fetching.

 

The values went up to crazy levels because of the TV show deal in the works. Speculators want the next WD.

 

Look, I've read the series, and it is great stuff. HOWEVER, you can't honestly make the claim that the sudden increase in value is due solely to new readers discovering this brilliantly awesome book and now want to collect it and own a #1 for their personal collection at the current price point.

 

Why? Basic economics of supply and demand.

 

Compare the ratio of #1's print run to the current issue. The writer stated in the PP thread they still sell less than 5,000 copies per issue. Since #1 had a print run of 4,814 that's almost a 1 to 1 correspondence for all the true fans collecting the book to own a copy of #1. Mathematically, that would not cause the prices you see on eBay. Obviously, the added demand is coming from people who DON'T read the series. So who is it? It's specualtor's who know the book has a low print run and a TV show in the works driving up the demand.

 

Every once in awhile some sanity comes to the boards. I hope the boardies here all make out like bandits. Just don't be the bandit holding the bag hoping for more. Get your profit and get out.

I agree, I didn't mean to be a turd in the hamper. I am just blown away by how quickly these books are exploding in price. I started doing the math and if could sell all my copies for what the highest are currently going for, I could get a nice GA or silver age key. There is nothing wrong with sitting on hot books while the heat up, just don't get caught holding when the musi stops. I do think PP and Saga are great reads and that bodes well for the long term.

[comicsnyc22]

Peter Panzerfaust #1 has now had 2 sales over $500.

 

To be fair, those were both SS 9.8's with sketches. 3 blue labels sold for over $400 but the sales have been cancelled and no longer show as sold. One blue label showing sold for $355 but the last two sales before that were $200 and $140.

 

I own two blue's and would love it to be a $500 book but still would caution other potential buyers to be leery of the pricing right now as there seems to be some shilling afoot.

 

these thin markets are so easy to manipulate. this is worse than penny stocks.

 

So explain the raw that just sold for $350?

No manipulation here, just thousands of people wanting a very scarce book.

If it helps you to think its all smoke and mirrors, fair enough, but those of us who have followed, and purchased this book from day 1, know exactly the amount of "need" that is in the market right now.

I bought my first PP #1 9.8 (blue) with a 9.8 copy of Alpha Girl (blue) for $70 - 6 months ago.

I was in right from the start and knew, even at $110 for #1 - #6 that this was a winner.

If I see a raw run of #1 - #8 for $300 or less - I will buy without hesitation.

There is still an awful lot of room in this book.

Simply because it is awesome.

Brilliantly awesome.

 

I don't think "thousands" of people want this book for the current price it's fetching.

 

The values went up to crazy levels because of the TV show deal in the works. Speculators want the next WD.

 

Look, I've read the series, and it is great stuff. HOWEVER, you can't honestly make the claim that the sudden increase in value is due solely to new readers discovering this brilliantly awesome book and now want to collect it and own a #1 for their personal collection at the current price point.

 

Why? Basic economics of supply and demand.

 

Compare the ratio of #1's print run to the current issue. The writer stated in the PP thread they still sell less than 5,000 copies per issue. Since #1 had a print run of 4,814 that's almost a 1 to 1 correspondence for all the true fans collecting the book to own a copy of #1. Mathematically, that would not cause the prices you see on eBay. Obviously, the added demand is coming from people who DON'T read the series. So who is it? It's specualtor's who know the book has a low print run and a TV show in the works driving up the demand.

 

Every once in awhile some sanity comes to the boards. I hope the boardies here all make out like bandits. Just don't be the bandit holding the bag hoping for more. Get your profit and get out.

I agree, I didn't mean to be a turd in the hamper. I am just blown away by how quickly these books are exploding in price. I started doing the math and if could sell all my copies for what the highest are currently going for, I could get a nice GA or silver age key. There is nothing wrong with sitting on hot books while the heat up, just don't get caught holding when the musi stops. I do think PP and Saga are great reads and that bodes well for the long term.

 

Definitely think PP's window is shorter to strike. Not trying to creative a selling spree, but i think the book's scarcity will hurt it in the long run. Great for collectors, awful for taking it to a larger/greater audience. Saga #1 has a print run of 37K, plenty of supply for the demand, etc.

Edited January 22, 2013 by ComicsNYC22

[ThoseBackPages]

PP is no SAGAH!!!!

[Beige]

Alrighty folks - lets break this down a little.

 

Without having a 'whats bigger' contest - ie, just for fun, lets see if we can work out who has what on here.

 

As this is the current topic of debate - and great points being made by all posters, just who exactly has a #1 Peter Panzerfaust?

No trade secret here - if you have got it - awesome and good for you.

If not,i'm sure you are perfectly happy to be in that camp.

 

So we know there were 4814 to start:

 

I have 10.

 

Who's next?

 

Repeating - this is not a bragging contest - if you have 1 or 100, I am genuinely happy for you.

I would LOVE however to know just how many this board owns!

 

Please join in if you feel comfortable.

We can add JJenius's 50 I'm sure!

 

Next!

[comicsnyc22]

Alrighty folks - lets break this down a little.

 

Without having a 'whats bigger' contest - ie, just for fun, lets see if we can work out who has what on here.

 

As this is the current topic of debate - and great points being made by all posters, just who exactly has a #1 Peter Panzerfaust?

No trade secret here - if you have got it - awesome and good for you.

If not,i'm sure you are perfectly happy to be in that camp.

 

So we know there were 4814 to start:

 

I have 10.

 

Who's next?

 

Repeating - this is not a bragging contest - if you have 1 or 100, I am genuinely happy for you.

I would LOVE however to know just how many this board owns!

 

Please join in if you feel comfortable.

We can add JJenius's 50 I'm sure!

 

Next!

 

I like this game!

 

I own 4,804

[ThoseBackPages]

the art did nothing for me, so i passed on it.

[Prince Namor]

Peter Panzerfaust #1 has now had 2 sales over $500.

 

To be fair, those were both SS 9.8's with sketches. 3 blue labels sold for over $400 but the sales have been cancelled and no longer show as sold. One blue label showing sold for $355 but the last two sales before that were $200 and $140.

 

I own two blue's and would love it to be a $500 book but still would caution other potential buyers to be leery of the pricing right now as there seems to be some shilling afoot.

 

these thin markets are so easy to manipulate. this is worse than penny stocks.

 

So explain the raw that just sold for $350?

No manipulation here, just thousands of people wanting a very scarce book.

If it helps you to think its all smoke and mirrors, fair enough, but those of us who have followed, and purchased this book from day 1, know exactly the amount of "need" that is in the market right now.

I bought my first PP #1 9.8 (blue) with a 9.8 copy of Alpha Girl (blue) for $70 - 6 months ago.

I was in right from the start and knew, even at $110 for #1 - #6 that this was a winner.

If I see a raw run of #1 - #8 for $300 or less - I will buy without hesitation.

There is still an awful lot of room in this book.

Simply because it is awesome.

Brilliantly awesome.

 

I don't think "thousands" of people want this book for the current price it's fetching.

 

The values went up to crazy levels because of the TV show deal in the works. Speculators want the next WD.

 

Look, I've read the series, and it is great stuff. HOWEVER, you can't honestly make the claim that the sudden increase in value is due solely to new readers discovering this brilliantly awesome book and now want to collect it and own a #1 for their personal collection at the current price point.

 

Why? Basic economics of supply and demand.

 

Compare the ratio of #1's print run to the current issue. The writer stated in the PP thread they still sell less than 5,000 copies per issue. Since #1 had a print run of 4,814 that's almost a 1 to 1 correspondence for all the true fans collecting the book to own a copy of #1. Mathematically, that would not cause the prices you see on eBay. Obviously, the added demand is coming from people who DON'T read the series. So who is it? It's specualtor's who know the book has a low print run and a TV show in the works driving up the demand.

 

Exactly.

Which again shows why speculation isn't always looked at as a good thing by creators.

"You're making money off hoarded copies of our book, making it more difficult for people to discover? Great. No wonder we can't break a 5000 print run."

[Wushugushu]

the art did nothing for me, so i passed on it.

 

I flipped through a few pages and put it back down when I saw it in the shop.. Guess that was a bad call

[Chi Bamm]

I just want more people to read it. Print numbers to go up.

 

It's a comic book.

 

It's good.

 

It should be read by most.

[THB]

Most comics increase readership through trades and digital nowadays.

[aszumilo]

Alrighty folks - lets break this down a little.

 

Without having a 'whats bigger' contest - ie, just for fun, lets see if we can work out who has what on here.

 

As this is the current topic of debate - and great points being made by all posters, just who exactly has a #1 Peter Panzerfaust?

No trade secret here - if you have got it - awesome and good for you.

If not,i'm sure you are perfectly happy to be in that camp.

 

So we know there were 4814 to start:

 

I have 10.

 

Who's next?

 

Repeating - this is not a bragging contest - if you have 1 or 100, I am genuinely happy for you.

I would LOVE however to know just how many this board owns!

 

Please join in if you feel comfortable.

We can add JJenius's 50 I'm sure!

 

Next!

 

I have 1 1st print and 1 2nd print.