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MrWeen

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It's still stupid no matter how they retcon it and Web #18 will never catch on as a desired key. Yes, I'm saying "never."

. To prove that's it was planned and not a retcon wouldn't we have to speak to Marvel? That black arm sure looks like Venom so I'm not sure if we can say the 1989 Update issue is a retcon at all.

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It's still stupid no matter how they retcon it and Web #18 will never catch on as a desired key. Yes, I'm saying "never."

. To prove that's it was planned and not a retcon wouldn't we have to speak to Marvel? That black arm sure looks like Venom so I'm not sure if we can say the 1989 Update issue is a retcon at all.

 

I'm pretty sure the TRUE answer depends on whether or I not I own one or more copies of WEB 18. If so, then it is in absolute certainty the first true app of venom.

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It's still stupid no matter how they retcon it and Web #18 will never catch on as a desired key. Yes, I'm saying "never."

. To prove that's it was planned and not a retcon wouldn't we have to speak to Marvel? That black arm sure looks like Venom so I'm not sure if we can say the 1989 Update issue is a retcon at all.

 

I'm pretty sure the TRUE answer depends on whether or I not I own one or more copies of WEB 18. If so, then it is in absolute certainty the first true app of venom.

 

My LCS sells these regularly for about $20 in high grade, as a Cameo Appearance of Venom, the same shop labels 298 and 299 as cameo's with 300 being first full.

 

I don't think they are wrong at all.

 

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MrWeen

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It's still stupid no matter how they retcon it and Web #18 will never catch on as a desired key. Yes, I'm saying "never."

. To prove that's it was planned and not a retcon wouldn't we have to speak to Marvel? That black arm sure looks like Venom so I'm not sure if we can say the 1989 Update issue is a retcon at all.

 

I'm pretty sure the TRUE answer depends on whether or I not I own one or more copies of WEB 18. If so, then it is in absolute certainty the first true app of venom.

Personally I own no copies of this book I just dig Spider-Man.

 

You should have underlined TRUE and maybe added a bold font or something to really make that word stand out. (shrug)

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Looks like Venom...really a shadow arm (figure) looks like venom :doh:

 

If the character was only in shadow and not Venom then Peter's foot ( which is under Venom's arm ) would also be black. It isn't. The arm is clearly sticking way out of the window grabbing Peter's ankle. Peter's shoe is still brown.

 

The other post should finish the argument anyway. When Marvel publishes a comic stating that Web 18 is Venom's first appearance I'm still not sure how it can now be argued against. Unless Marvel were to admit that the 1989 Update issue was a retcon I see nothing that disproves the claims about these books.

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Its just not that far of a stretch from MOS 17 to Web 18. Its just not for me. I can understand other taking the other side, but when you read Web 18 and then they introduce Venom(Later) how many of you didn't go back and look at Web 18.

 

Why? Everyone knows the answer even haters. I get the disagreement there just isn't enough evidence for me to come over to that side. I have enjoyed the back and forth.

 

 

Again the big difference is in MOS 17, there's really no arguing that those were not Doomsday fists. However, in Web 18, those hands are just too ordinary looking and there's no other supporting evidence that they belong to Eddie Brock / Venom. I know what you mean that it would make sense that they should belong to Venom, but what's stopping a writer from making a new villain tomorrow that knows Spider-Man's secret identity and can evade his spider sense? If that writer decides to reference back to Web 18 stating that this character has always been stalking or trying to kill him, that will throw a wrench to all the folks that bought the book thinking it was Venom. I'm not saying its not Eddie's Brocks hands nor can anyone officially say it belongs to him. It's just too vague to be considered a key.

 

Not even Marvel?

 

VenomProof.jpg

 

WOW. That's some direct evidence if I have ever seen it. The only reason the market won't relfect this is because the knowledge isn't well known. Here is some more:

 

In this image Peter's leg is grabbed by what appears to be venom.

 

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and then Pete connects the events from issue 18 to 24.

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So if the argument for MOS 17 over Web 18 is simply that the hand isn't Venom then issue 24 appears to take care of that.

 

Unequivocal. :sumo: This is not "ret-con" it's contemporaneous and intended.

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It's still stupid no matter how they retcon it and Web #18 will never catch on as a desired key. Yes, I'm saying "never."

. To prove that's it was planned and not a retcon wouldn't we have to speak to Marvel? That black arm sure looks like Venom so I'm not sure if we can say the 1989 Update issue is a retcon at all.

 

I'm pretty sure the TRUE answer depends on whether or I not I own one or more copies of WEB 18. If so, then it is in absolute certainty the first true app of venom.

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It's still stupid no matter how they retcon it and Web #18 will never catch on as a desired key. Yes, I'm saying "never."

 

Except that it already has.

 

If you want to argue that it will never be bigger than ASM 300, that's different. I don't know who would argue against that.

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Its just not that far of a stretch from MOS 17 to Web 18. Its just not for me. I can understand other taking the other side, but when you read Web 18 and then they introduce Venom(Later) how many of you didn't go back and look at Web 18.

 

Why? Everyone knows the answer even haters. I get the disagreement there just isn't enough evidence for me to come over to that side. I have enjoyed the back and forth.

 

 

Again the big difference is in MOS 17, there's really no arguing that those were not Doomsday fists. However, in Web 18, those hands are just too ordinary looking and there's no other supporting evidence that they belong to Eddie Brock / Venom. I know what you mean that it would make sense that they should belong to Venom, but what's stopping a writer from making a new villain tomorrow that knows Spider-Man's secret identity and can evade his spider sense? If that writer decides to reference back to Web 18 stating that this character has always been stalking or trying to kill him, that will throw a wrench to all the folks that bought the book thinking it was Venom. I'm not saying its not Eddie's Brocks hands nor can anyone officially say it belongs to him. It's just too vague to be considered a key.

 

Not even Marvel?

 

VenomProof.jpg

 

Well....technically, they forgot his appearance in #298, but hey...

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