What would you do, Part the Second...

[Logan510]

I'm not after points

[Park]

 

Instigator.

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

So, it looks like I have two choices, ignore mikenyc completely from now on or take him off ignore, leave the passive aggressive by the roadside, and go at him full force.

 

Whatever shall I choose?

 

I'm tempted to make him an offer. If he ignores RMA completely from now on, I'll ignore him completely from now on. I don't think he's willing to do that. I don't think he's capable of doing that.

 

:: Really, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize, please continue.

 

Sometimes its hard to be a woman

Giving all your love to just one man

You'll have bad times

And he'll have good times

Doing things that you don't understand

But if you love him you'll forgive him

Even though he's hard to understand

And if you love him

Oh be proud of him

'Cause after all he's just a man

Stand by your man

Give him two arms to cling to

And something warm to come to

When nights are cold and lonely

Stand by your man

And tell the world you love him

Keep giving all the love you can

Stand by your man

Stand by your man

And show the world you love him

Keep giving all the love you can

Stand by your man

 

 

You really, truly don't understand that the mods and board rules protect you, do you?

 

You have no idea how you would be shredded if "anything went", do you?

 

Oh, you poor, sad, naive little boy.

 

::

 

Is Jeffro your inferior shill?

 

Also, what would you do? Type harder? Your life has become so intertwined with these boards, or really with Internet boards in general, you fail to see that the threat of "shredding" is laughable. Now before I get a strike for continuing, and you break your finger hitting the notify button, I'll stop.

 

Lastly, how about you get your poodle to stop yapping in my direction, and we'll continue on our merry way. (thumbs u

 

You have no idea.

 

You've given up so much personal information about yourself that any relatively intelligent person could reduce you to a quivering puddle of pain using that information against you; it would be a cakewalk.

 

You should thank two things: personal ethics, and this board's moderation policies.

 

Do not forget that.

 

As for "hitting the notify button"...you think very highly of yourself, don't you....?

 

You're bordering dangerously close to a threat RMA. I'm trying hard RMA. I know what you want RMA. You should stop now RMA.

 

I'm not anywhere near a "threat", mikenyc. You're hardly worth it.

 

I'm informing of you of what COULD be, and why you should be thankful instead for what IS. In light of that, maybe you should think about the things you say to people, and the way you say them.

 

It is, after all, the season of Thanksgiving.

[Prince Namor]

Points smoints.

I'm a -3, I got no shot of winning anything.

[skypinkblu]

I shouldn't write long questions in the middle of the night;)

 

Edited for sanity;)

[scooter99]

[bababooey]

I'm not sure if this is the correct thread but I just listed over 40 no reserve auctions on eBay.

 

eBay auctions

 

 

 

What's your "return/out of stock/we fudged up and won't admit it" policy?

That's just crazy talk, why would anyone make an effort to understand someone's policies prior to ordering from them.

 

 

 

Twice.

Yo. Bababooey: when listing on eBay, eBay's policies TRUMP any sellers'.

 

That's why any seller who says "no returns" is asking for trouble, because eBay's policy ALLOWS returns, period.

 

That's why any seller who says "If you leave me negative feedback, I'll leave you negative feedback" is asking for trouble, because eBay's policy does not allow sellers to leave negative feedback.

 

And....that's why Lonestar cannot have a "fill percentage" less than 100% because...watch me now...that's what eBay policy requires.

 

It's INCREDIBLY simple: if you cannot...or will not...get the item you are selling to your customer within 30 days, you ARE NOT allowed...by eBay policy..to list it for sale.

 

Why can't you understand this?

 

What is so difficult about this concept that you can't get beyond this?

 

Huh?

 

You're obsessed with Lonestar's policy...which is fine, and were that the only concern, you'd be 100% correct.

 

But on eBay, their policy trumps Lonestar's.

 

And nobody else who has posted in this thread has not understood that except you.

 

Why?

The ebay policy you pin your hopes on is based on whether or not it is "within their control" - my understanding of that phrase differs from yours. That's all.

 

My understanding is that human error is part of doing business, was it correctable by them yes, as per ebay by issuing a credit (which is only allowable if you agree with my understanding of 'within their control')

 

According to your "rules" and preference, receiving the book you ordered was your ONLY acceptable resolution & I didn't get the impression they or you knew that the book was actually in inventory until after the ebay transaction was completed. If they didn't know they had it, how can you say it's within their control?

 

Afterward, you went off ebay & purchased direct and you wanted a goodwill credit of the freight. I agree with you that the service could have been better & you should have gotten what you wanted but you are in denial if you are saying that this was a surprise. You engaged them three times over the two transactions & you ordered from them on ebay even though you felt their 'fill %' thing wasn't correct.

 

It's not that I'm not understanding anything I am simply disagreeing with you & when you press back or simply ignore a reasonable response, I simply respond by digging in my own heels a bit further & maybe pick things apart more than necessary, that's when I go after your motives & tactics.

 

There is no personal dislike for you that is the impetus for disagreeing with you - if you look back on this thread; take a look at Chuck's response that you quoted before Conan posted. Suggesting PM'ing Conan for assistance - well that's based on his own experience or hearsay - but someone else WAS helped in the past from here.

 

Is this thread making it more likely for someone like Conan to help others that he can help from the CGC boards? Probably not, he gets his share of both good and bad "press" here in CG, likely more bad than good.

 

I understand you have a point you wish to make, it is fine for you to do that if you feel a need to make their enforcement of their stated policy as widely known as you like as long as all the details are laid out for people to make their own decision.

 

[Prince Namor]

Time for another Teen Age Female Guitar Player....

[Logan510]

 

Instigator.

 

 

I am not Someone needs to call the EMT's, cuz there's a burn victim up in this piece.

[Park]

Points smoints.

I'm a -3, I got no shot of winning anything.

 

I got a big old goose egg. I have been obsessed with the stupid points. To that end , I say this

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

You know, RMA, I agree that Lonestar should have, as a matter of courtesy, shipped the book you didn't get the first time, for free...at least that is what I would have done, and HAVE done, when I messed up.

 

But one thing keeps bothering me. Where does it say in the eBay rules that the item MUST be available or something will happen to the seller?

 

I know they allow pre-sells, they require that the items be available in 30 days...and I know, that they allow you to say that the item is for sale on another venue and may be sold elsewhere and not be available at the end of the auction. You are supposed to state it clearly in the auction. I did that when I sold basketball tickets for a friend and he also had them on Stubhub (prior to eBay buying Stubhub). I believe MCS, states a percentage.

 

I also had two sellers refuse to sell me something after they claimed they listed it at the wrong price. At least one of those times I contacted eBay (because the refund was made in a way that I was charged a Paypal fee) and I was told I had no recourse if the seller refused to sell the item. I guess I could have gone to small claims court, but eBay didn't offer any solution once I got my refund, they could not force the sellers to sell me the items and they said they didn't take punitive measures.

 

I spent some time looking and didn't find your reference, so I'm just curious.

 

Of course if you don't have the item you either can't take the money, or need to refund, but I just don't see anything about a penalty for not selling an item, nor anything saying that 100 percent of anyone's inventory must be available. they seem to skip that part..although it makes SENSE, I just can't find the reference you are referring to.

 

Just curious...

 

Maybe I just missed the reference..

 

 

I'm glad you asked, Sha.

 

Right here:

 

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-practices.html

 

Under "Product Availability"

 

When buyers bid on or purchase an item on eBay, they should feel confident that the item is available and will be delivered in a timely manner.

 

What to do

 

You must ensure the items you are offering are in stock for the duration of the listing and are delivered to the buyer, unless the buyer doesn't meet the terms of your listing.

 

If you run into an inventory problem that's beyond your control, you're still responsible for letting the buyer know when the item will be available or issuing a refund for the full amount immediately.

 

What not to do

 

You're not allowed to:

 

List an item that may be out of stock at the time of purchase.

 

List an item that you're simultaneously selling outside of eBay.

 

Offer an item that may not be what's delivered to the buyer.

 

 

[mikenyc]

So, it looks like I have two choices, ignore mikenyc completely from now on or take him off ignore, leave the passive aggressive by the roadside, and go at him full force.

 

Whatever shall I choose?

 

I'm tempted to make him an offer. If he ignores RMA completely from now on, I'll ignore him completely from now on. I don't think he's willing to do that. I don't think he's capable of doing that.

 

:: Really, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize, please continue.

 

Sometimes its hard to be a woman

Giving all your love to just one man

You'll have bad times

And he'll have good times

Doing things that you don't understand

But if you love him you'll forgive him

Even though he's hard to understand

And if you love him

Oh be proud of him

'Cause after all he's just a man

Stand by your man

Give him two arms to cling to

And something warm to come to

When nights are cold and lonely

Stand by your man

And tell the world you love him

Keep giving all the love you can

Stand by your man

Stand by your man

And show the world you love him

Keep giving all the love you can

Stand by your man

 

 

You really, truly don't understand that the mods and board rules protect you, do you?

 

You have no idea how you would be shredded if "anything went", do you?

 

Oh, you poor, sad, naive little boy.

 

::

 

Is Jeffro your inferior shill?

 

Also, what would you do? Type harder? Your life has become so intertwined with these boards, or really with Internet boards in general, you fail to see that the threat of "shredding" is laughable. Now before I get a strike for continuing, and you break your finger hitting the notify button, I'll stop.

 

Lastly, how about you get your poodle to stop yapping in my direction, and we'll continue on our merry way. (thumbs u

 

You have no idea.

 

You've given up so much personal information about yourself that any relatively intelligent person could reduce you to a quivering puddle of pain using that information against you; it would be a cakewalk.

 

You should thank two things: personal ethics, and this board's moderation policies.

 

Do not forget that.

 

As for "hitting the notify button"...you think very highly of yourself, don't you....?

 

You're bordering dangerously close to a threat RMA. I'm trying hard RMA. I know what you want RMA. You should stop now RMA.

 

I'm not anywhere near a "threat", mikenyc. You're hardly worth it.

 

I'm informing of you of what COULD be, and why you should be thankful instead for what IS. In light of that, maybe you should think about the things you say to people, and the way you say them.

 

It is, after all, the season of Thanksgiving.

 

Here's the difference between you and me. This is the first Internet board I have ever been a part of. I have never been exposed to particular people who mostly interact through the computer.

 

I am perceiving what you are saying as a threat. In the real world, the one I inhabit daily, this would not be ok. I will say this. In my eyes this has surpassed a back and forth and you are making it personal. By insinuating that the information I have shared on this board, about my family, career or whatever, would be used against me, is a threat.

 

I don't care about a strike of anything else. You do not want to make this personal. We bust balls, on a website, and that's fine. Don't threaten me RMA and don't make it personal. I will place you on ignore as I have in the past, and I suggest you do the same. This is no longer a game for me.

 

Thank you for ruining an otherwise positive experience for me.

[skypinkblu]

Ah, then I suppose they changed the rules on not selling it elsewhere, it used to not be a problem if you posted that info in the auction.

 

this is actually an improvement. (thumbs u

[Prince Namor]

I'm not sure if this is the correct thread but I just listed over 40 no reserve auctions on eBay.

eBay auctions

What's your "return/out of stock/we fudged up and won't admit it" policy?

That's just crazy talk, why would anyone make an effort to understand someone's policies prior to ordering from them.

Twice.

Yo. Bababooey: when listing on eBay, eBay's policies TRUMP any sellers'.

 

That's why any seller who says "no returns" is asking for trouble, because eBay's policy ALLOWS returns, period.

 

That's why any seller who says "If you leave me negative feedback, I'll leave you negative feedback" is asking for trouble, because eBay's policy does not allow sellers to leave negative feedback.

 

And....that's why Lonestar cannot have a "fill percentage" less than 100% because...watch me now...that's what eBay policy requires.

 

It's INCREDIBLY simple: if you cannot...or will not...get the item you are selling to your customer within 30 days, you ARE NOT allowed...by eBay policy..to list it for sale.

 

Why can't you understand this?

 

What is so difficult about this concept that you can't get beyond this?

 

Huh?

 

You're obsessed with Lonestar's policy...which is fine, and were that the only concern, you'd be 100% correct.

 

But on eBay, their policy trumps Lonestar's.

 

And nobody else who has posted in this thread has not understood that except you.

 

Why?

The ebay policy you pin your hopes on is based on whether or not it is "within their control" - my understanding of that phrase differs from yours. That's all.

 

My understanding is that human error is part of doing business, was it correctable by them yes, as per ebay by issuing a credit (which is only allowable if you agree with my understanding of 'within their control')

 

According to your "rules" and preference, receiving the book you ordered was your ONLY acceptable resolution & I didn't get the impression they or you knew that the book was actually in inventory until after the ebay transaction was completed. If they didn't know they had it, how can you say it's within their control?

 

Afterward, you went off ebay & purchased direct and you wanted a goodwill credit of the freight. I agree with you that the service could have been better & you should have gotten what you wanted but you are in denial if you are saying that this was a surprise. You engaged them three times over the two transactions & you ordered from them on ebay even though you felt their 'fill %' thing wasn't correct.

 

It's not that I'm not understanding anything I am simply disagreeing with you & when you press back or simply ignore a reasonable response, I simply respond by digging in my own heels a bit further & maybe pick things apart more than necessary, that's when I go after your motives & tactics.

 

There is no personal dislike for you that is the impetus for disagreeing with you - if you look back on this thread; take a look at Chuck's response that you quoted before Conan posted. Suggesting PM'ing Conan for assistance - well that's based on his own experience or hearsay - but someone else WAS helped in the past from here.

 

Is this thread making it more likely for someone like Conan to help others that he can help from the CGC boards? Probably not, he gets his share of both good and bad "press" here in CG, likely more bad than good.

 

I understand you have a point you wish to make, it is fine for you to do that if you feel a need to make their enforcement of their stated policy as widely known as you like as long as all the details are laid out for people to make their own decision.

 

I never did it, but I knew he was a forum member, so I thought it might be a good idea.

Boy, did Conan ever make ME look like a dunce.

 

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

I'm not sure if this is the correct thread but I just listed over 40 no reserve auctions on eBay.

 

eBay auctions

 

 

 

What's your "return/out of stock/we fudged up and won't admit it" policy?

That's just crazy talk, why would anyone make an effort to understand someone's policies prior to ordering from them.

 

 

 

Twice.

Yo. Bababooey: when listing on eBay, eBay's policies TRUMP any sellers'.

 

That's why any seller who says "no returns" is asking for trouble, because eBay's policy ALLOWS returns, period.

 

That's why any seller who says "If you leave me negative feedback, I'll leave you negative feedback" is asking for trouble, because eBay's policy does not allow sellers to leave negative feedback.

 

And....that's why Lonestar cannot have a "fill percentage" less than 100% because...watch me now...that's what eBay policy requires.

 

It's INCREDIBLY simple: if you cannot...or will not...get the item you are selling to your customer within 30 days, you ARE NOT allowed...by eBay policy..to list it for sale.

 

Why can't you understand this?

 

What is so difficult about this concept that you can't get beyond this?

 

Huh?

 

You're obsessed with Lonestar's policy...which is fine, and were that the only concern, you'd be 100% correct.

 

But on eBay, their policy trumps Lonestar's.

 

And nobody else who has posted in this thread has not understood that except you.

 

Why?

The ebay policy you pin your hopes on is based on whether or not it is "within their control" - my understanding of that phrase differs from yours. That's all.

 

And...again...not a single person who has posted in this thread agrees with your "understanding."

 

Let me spell it out for you:

 

If I sell an item, and I send out the WRONG item, but the CORRECT item is still sitting in my inventory, then the CORRECT item is...by definition of the phrase "in inventory", WITHIN MY CONTROL.

 

My understanding is that human error is part of doing business, was it correctable by them yes, as per ebay by issuing a credit (which is only allowable if you agree with my understanding of 'within their control')

 

According to your "rules" and preference, receiving the book you ordered was your ONLY acceptable resolution & I didn't get the impression they or you knew that the book was actually in inventory until after the ebay transaction was completed. If they didn't know they had it, how can you say it's within their control?

 

Really...?

 

By going to the shelf/box/inventory control system and LOOKING.

 

It took all of 20 seconds after MCS said "sorry, not our policy" to check their website and see if the item was "in inventory" THERE. Once I actually RECEIVED the book several days later, I knew that it was never NOT "within their control."

 

Afterward, you went off ebay & purchased direct and you wanted a goodwill credit of the freight.

 

Um. It's not a "goodwill credit." I'd already PAID for the shipping of this particular book. I wasn't asking for a "freebie." I was asking for what I was DUE.

 

I agree with you that the service could have been better & you should have gotten what you wanted but you are in denial if you are saying that this was a surprise.

 

Pardon me. I really don't mean to be rude. But NOW what are you talking about?

 

You engaged them three times over the two transactions & you ordered from them on ebay even though you felt their 'fill %' thing wasn't correct.

 

I think you mean "from their website."

 

It was the SAME transaction. It wasn't two SEPARATE transactions TO ME.

 

It's not that I'm not understanding anything I am simply disagreeing with you & when you press back or simply ignore a reasonable response, I simply respond by digging in my own heels a bit further & maybe pick things apart more than necessary, that's when I go after your motives & tactics.

 

Are you paying attention to anything OTHERS have been saying to you, too?

 

You aren't making a "reasonable response."

 

The item was not sent, even though they had it, in contravention of eBay policy.

 

There is no personal dislike for you that is the impetus for disagreeing with you - if you look back on this thread; take a look at Chuck's response that you quoted before Conan posted. Suggesting PM'ing Conan for assistance - well that's based on his own experience or hearsay - but someone else WAS helped in the past from here.

 

Not relevant.

 

Is this thread making it more likely for someone like Conan to help others that he can help from the CGC boards? Probably not, he gets his share of both good and bad "press" here in CG, likely more bad than good.

 

Not relevant.

 

I understand you have a point you wish to make, it is fine for you to do that if you feel a need to make their enforcement of their stated policy as widely known as you like as long as all the details are laid out for people to make their own decision.

 

Right...and everyone but you sees the logical, legal answer.

 

Why can't you?

[Prince Namor]

Points smoints.

I'm a -3, I got no shot of winning anything.

 

I got a big old goose egg. I have been obsessed with the stupid points. To that end , I say this

 

 

That is so classic.

[skypinkblu]

When errors are made, we learn a lot more from how they are handled, than when transactions go well.

 

I don't think Conan had the power to make the decision about how the error was handled.

 

From my own dealings, it seems that the owner is not exactly someone who is upset when he makes a mistake, this thread confirms that for me, at least..so I'll continue not reading their sales listings.

 

The bottom line is, eBay is not going to hang them, but I think they hung themselves a little bit here.

 

Have a great night everyone and stop fighting, life is too short.

 

Points are not worth bad feelings

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

Ah, then I suppose they changed the rules on not selling it elsewhere, it used to not be a problem if you posted that info in the auction.

 

this is actually an improvement. (thumbs u

 

As long as I have been selling on eBay (1998), it has been required that the item be available. They did that to avoid long term pre-sales, as well as people selling things they didn't really have, or couldn't get within a reasonable time frame (which is now 30 days.) It's been a long standing policy that initially separated eBay from the rest of the pack: people knew that buying on eBay was supposed to guarantee that they'd actrually get the item, not get "out of stock" notices, like on Amazon and other early sites.

 

That's a little different from listing it elsewhere, but it does tie in.

 

I haven't researched "listing it elsewhere at the same time", but if it's allowed, I suppose the assumption is that you'll end the listing immediately upon selling it elsewhere.

 

The point is, it has to be available.

[MediumLover]

This place is cool.

[bababooey]

I never did it, but I knew he was a forum member, so I thought it might be a good idea.

Boy, did Conan ever make ME look like a dunce.

I don't think that's the case here at all.

I've seen posts by other people who had been helped I just used your post as an example of the potential good that can come from making this place a bit friendlier to people who can actually help out collectors get what they want even though they may not be able to do it 100% of the time.

We are making so that anyone who can't go the full 100% customer satisfaction guaranteed simply won't post - not a lot of dealer opinion in this thread is there.