Warlord Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Terrestrial Breakfast Pastry, Someone posted this for me in another thread. It has the books, but maybe not scarcity. It seems like I've seen one before though with guesstimates. DC Whitman List Drill down on that page and you find this, which is nearly exactly what I need. Thanks! I really miss that site. The DCP 22 was still listed as unverified when the site crashed. Wonder if any of the other unverified books will ever show up? Donut, that site doesn't say anything about scarcity, even at the link you drilled down to, does it? What has you wondering about relative scarcity anyway? Shield, I don't hold out much hope for any of the other unverified issues ever materializing. IIRC they were on the list because when the list was being created it pulled info from OPG and apparently OPG listed Whitman variants for those issues. Seems to me that the existence of those issues is extremely unlikely and perhaps was just OPG misinformation. Back when the matrix was being assembled, it was noted which books seemed more rare basically based on the type of Whitman logo, and I think for the most part, this generalization is still true. Wayne- The data we had came from what we considered reliable sources and not just OPG. One of the most compelling things I have is a list and correspondence from Doug Sulipa from September of 2005 where he sent me his most up to date version of issues he confirmed to exist. That list had the DCP22 on it and he was right. The list also has JLA 177-178 on it. As a matter of note, the only two we carried on the matrix that he could not confirm (at the time) were Action 506, and B&B 143. There was also a scan of DCCP22 that you guys had received prior to the Youtube video issue appearing, so it had more weight than just appearing on a list. So were all of the still-unconfirmed issues also listed in OPG as well as on Doug's list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Perhaps Doug had mistakenly listed and "confirmed" those issues and has since reconsidered their existence? He does not have any of the "unconfirmed" issues listed on his site. He has most of the rarest DCWs listed and marked as "sold out" but not the few unconfirmed issues. The two April 1980 issues that are unconfirmed, Action 506 and JLA 177, would be the only issues from that month, so that's a strong argument against their existence. B&B 143 would be a black logo DCW from 1978. The black logo issues are many times more common, speaking in general, than any other form of DCWs. Any issue from the common DCW era that hasn't been spotted in a decade provides a strong rationale against accepting that the issue exists. Neither of those arguments applies to May 1980 for JLA 178.... and granted that May 1980 issues are HTF, but that said I don't see any reason to keep believing JLA 178 is anything but a typo from an old list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShieldAgent Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 There was also a scan of DCCP22 that you guys had received prior to the Youtube video issue appearing, so it had more weight than just appearing on a list. If my recollection is correct, the DCP22 scan didn't show up until much later after the work was done, and several of us spent a long time searching with no luck. Truth is, I thought it was a hoax for a long time. The thing is, we couldn't verify the source, and we were reluctant to confirm a book until such source could be accurately verified. So were all of the still-unconfirmed issues also listed in OPG as well as on Doug's list? Not sure, I was considering pulling out an old OPG and checking, but haven't since we started this dialog. I was actually late to the party, and the majority (if not all) of the list was developed prior to me deciding to make a run at the set. As it went, I was the "find one I/we needed, buy it, scan it, upload it" guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShieldAgent Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Perhaps Doug had mistakenly listed and "confirmed" those issues and has since reconsidered their existence? He does not have any of the "unconfirmed" issues listed on his site. He has most of the rarest DCWs listed and marked as "sold out" but not the few unconfirmed issues. Perhaps. I haven't corresponded with him in probably over 10 years, and stopped following these once I thought I had a complete set. The two April 1980 issues that are unconfirmed, Action 506 and JLA 177, would be the only issues from that month, so that's a strong argument against their existence. Agreed. B&B 143 would be a black logo DCW from 1978. The black logo issues are many times more common, speaking in general, than any other form of DCWs. Any issue from the common DCW era that hasn't been spotted in a decade provides a strong rationale against accepting that the issue exists. Agreed. Neither of those arguments applies to May 1980 for JLA 178.... and granted that May 1980 issues are HTF, but that said I don't see any reason to keep believing JLA 178 is anything but a typo from an old list. Not sure except it would be the 7 books that month and aside from two months that had 11, odd numbers didn't seem to be the norm for ordering. So I would tend to agree, except for the email I have where Doug had confirmed it physically existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Perhaps Doug had mistakenly listed and "confirmed" those issues and has since reconsidered their existence? He does not have any of the "unconfirmed" issues listed on his site. He has most of the rarest DCWs listed and marked as "sold out" but not the few unconfirmed issues. Perhaps. I haven't corresponded with him in probably over 10 years, and stopped following these once I thought I had a complete set. I checked with Doug this week and asked about his reasoning for not listing the "unconfirmed" DC Whitmans. If it's true that he was the source of those issues being on the initial STL then I asked why he doesn't have them listed on his site at all. He provided his update on DC Whitmans from 2014: *** (A) thru (E) have been Rumored to Exist, but probably DO NOT exist; (A) ACTION COMICS #506(Exist?); NOT in Overstreet, probably does NOT exist; (B) BRAVE AND THE BOLD #143(Exist?); NOT in Overstreet, probably does NOT exist; © JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #177 ( I had REMOVED from Overstreet) = probably does NOT exist (D) JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #178 (I had REMOVED from Overstreet) = probably does NOT exist (E) SUPER FRIENDS #17 (EXIST?) NOT in Overstreet, probably does NOT exist; There's never been a Whitman variant issue so rare that no one can turn up a copy or image in 10-15 years of hunting. This info from Doug reinforces my position on these issues -- I don't think they exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastballspecial Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) I would agree even the infamous DCCP 22 has shown up a couple of times now and boy let me tell ya I look for that book like no other just for bragging rights. And of course for a guy in MD who will send me a PM right after I find it. Edited January 1, 2017 by Fastballspecial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I would agree even the infamous DCCP 22 has shown up a couple of times now and boy let me tell ya I look for that book like no other just for bragging rights. And of course for a guy in MD who will send me a PM right after I find it. You laugh... but I found one last year, and was offered one via PM here on the boards shortly after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShieldAgent Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Perhaps Doug had mistakenly listed and "confirmed" those issues and has since reconsidered their existence? He does not have any of the "unconfirmed" issues listed on his site. He has most of the rarest DCWs listed and marked as "sold out" but not the few unconfirmed issues. Perhaps. I haven't corresponded with him in probably over 10 years, and stopped following these once I thought I had a complete set. I checked with Doug this week and asked about his reasoning for not listing the "unconfirmed" DC Whitmans. If it's true that he was the source of those issues being on the initial STL then I asked why he doesn't have them listed on his site at all. He provided his update on DC Whitmans from 2014: *** (A) thru (E) have been Rumored to Exist, but probably DO NOT exist; (A) ACTION COMICS #506(Exist?); NOT in Overstreet, probably does NOT exist; (B) BRAVE AND THE BOLD #143(Exist?); NOT in Overstreet, probably does NOT exist; © JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #177 ( I had REMOVED from Overstreet) = probably does NOT exist (D) JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #178 (I had REMOVED from Overstreet) = probably does NOT exist (E) SUPER FRIENDS #17 (EXIST?) NOT in Overstreet, probably does NOT exist; There's never been a Whitman variant issue so rare that no one can turn up a copy or image in 10-15 years of hunting. This info from Doug reinforces my position on these issues -- I don't think they exist. Thanks for checking in with him. I don't think they exist either, and would prefer no new ones ever show up in the future. On a related note- (sorry metarog, I couldn't resist ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metarog Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Perhaps Doug had mistakenly listed and "confirmed" those issues and has since reconsidered their existence? He does not have any of the "unconfirmed" issues listed on his site. He has most of the rarest DCWs listed and marked as "sold out" but not the few unconfirmed issues. Perhaps. I haven't corresponded with him in probably over 10 years, and stopped following these once I thought I had a complete set. I checked with Doug this week and asked about his reasoning for not listing the "unconfirmed" DC Whitmans. If it's true that he was the source of those issues being on the initial STL then I asked why he doesn't have them listed on his site at all. He provided his update on DC Whitmans from 2014: *** (A) thru (E) have been Rumored to Exist, but probably DO NOT exist; (A) ACTION COMICS #506(Exist?); NOT in Overstreet, probably does NOT exist; (B) BRAVE AND THE BOLD #143(Exist?); NOT in Overstreet, probably does NOT exist; © JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #177 ( I had REMOVED from Overstreet) = probably does NOT exist (D) JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA #178 (I had REMOVED from Overstreet) = probably does NOT exist (E) SUPER FRIENDS #17 (EXIST?) NOT in Overstreet, probably does NOT exist; There's never been a Whitman variant issue so rare that no one can turn up a copy or image in 10-15 years of hunting. This info from Doug reinforces my position on these issues -- I don't think they exist. Thanks for checking in with him. I don't think they exist either, and would prefer no new ones ever show up in the future. On a related note- (sorry metarog, I couldn't resist ) I knew this would show up again... oh well. Happy New Year Harry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshKenziePaul Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Went for $30. Looks like it went unsold for $25 earlier in the month though. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warlord-22-Jun-1979-DC-rare-low-print-Whitman-variant-tough-book-/322403723881?hash=item4b10c26a69:g:PJ0AAOSw9GhYZXrh&autorefresh=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlord Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Went for $30. Looks like it went unsold for $25 earlier in the month though. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warlord-22-Jun-1979-DC-rare-low-print-Whitman-variant-tough-book-/322403723881?hash=item4b10c26a69:g:PJ0AAOSw9GhYZXrh&autorefresh=true That is the raggiest copy of that book that I've ever seen. Somewhere around Good or even lower? Looks like the winner bidder was willing to go higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicbookScout Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) On 7/11/2013 at 10:01 AM, Wall-Crawler said: Question: Do you guys keep the books sealed in the Whitman bag or do you remove them? First thing I do is break them out (actually cut) and put them in mylars. Most will eventually be slabbed. Edited October 23, 2017 by ComicbookScout PeterPark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron C. Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Thought I would post this here. I love Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez covers. OtherEric and Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicbookScout Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 On 10/24/2017 at 7:45 PM, Ron C. said: Thought I would post this here. I love Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez covers. Nice copy I could use one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherEric Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 10/24/2017 at 4:45 PM, Ron C. said: Thought I would post this here. I love Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez covers. Is there anybody who DOESN'T love Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez covers? I was lucky enough to get a Jonah Hex sketch from him earlier this year; it appalls me how many people don't know his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherEric Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just got a small lot in, and figured the appreciation thread could use some appreciating. None of the particularly scarce ones in the batch, though: Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherEric Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The good/bad news on the Legion issues: Other than the 264, none of them are particularly tricky to find. The 264 is going to mess with me for quite a while, though: Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherEric Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Those big block Whitman logo issues just look WEIRD to me in a way the ones with the smaller logos don't; I think I saw the earlier ones when I was a kid but never ran into the later issues. Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherEric Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I'm really just trying for the LSH issues, but the Superboy was part of the lot. Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPark Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 like any of the big 8, the 264 is a killer... bellrules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...