Eastern Color Proof/File Copies?

[comicwiz]

This particular quote jumped out at me:

 

CGC does not and has never considered re-attachment of original parts of a comic book (without using reinforcement or glue), erasure, dry cleaning or pressing to be restoration and as such, it is not noted on the CGC label.

 

If these Eastern covers were used by anyone that came into their possession when they appeared on the market, only later to be re-attached using the correct issue and period specific, original parts, does that give the Easterns a blue label pass?

 

As with a famous former Wihte House occupant's parsing, "it depends on what the definition of is is".

 

Depending on interpretation of "original", it seems to me. Original to the contents of the same book or original to the edition, printed near or at the same time as that particular book?

 

Seems like a pretty loose definition of original parts when you can take a period specific staple from a beater Tec 37, and use it on a Tec 31. Technically speaking, an Eastern cover of FF 22 married to the interiors of an FF 22 would be a stricter observance to the original parts definition, wouldn't it?

[comicparadox]

in before the lock...

This particular quote jumped out at me:

 

CGC does not and has never considered re-attachment of original parts of a comic book (without using reinforcement or glue), erasure, dry cleaning or pressing to be restoration and as such, it is not noted on the CGC label.

 

If these Eastern covers were used by anyone that came into their possession when they appeared on the market, only later to be re-attached using the correct issue and period specific, original parts, does that give the Easterns a blue label pass?

 

As with a famous former Wihte House occupant's parsing, "it depends on what the definition of is is".

 

Depending on interpretation of "original", it seems to me. Original to the contents of the same book or original to the edition, printed near or at the same time as that particular book?

 

Seems like a pretty loose definition of original parts when you can take a period specific staple from a beater Tec 37, and use it on a Tec 31. Technically speaking, an Eastern cover of FF 22 married to the interiors of an FF 22 would be a stricter observance to the original parts definition, wouldn't it?

 

 

[goldust40]

No I don't think it looks trimmed, since I don't have it in hand to match up with another ASM 42 I'll just have to wait.

 

But I'm sure to get hammered but I want to be able to ask to the NOTES and reasons since there would be a significant financial impact if "they" can't authenticate their opinion. I will be very happy if it is treated the same as every book that is sent in as it should be. Considering I paid for the service upfront and waited LONG enough when it finally gets here. If the grade is premeditated then refund me the $$ and send it back.

 

It's impossible to tell for certain from a scan alone, but I'd be concerned that the bottom edge may be trimmed because the interior extends past it.

 

Plus the edge of the page that is visible at the bottom of the front cover does look far too white compared to the back cover.

[TeddieMercede]

Seems to have a simular corner as this well known book without the miss wrap

 

 

As I asked grade the book not the stamp

 

The answers you're getting is based on the book not the stamp, trust me people here don't want other collectors to get burnt on a restored book, we've all had it happen and know the feeling. Unless the book is in hand it's hard to tell for sure (like Bob said) but to me the bottom and right side of the book look odd.

[Chip Cataldo]

Regardless of everything, if anyone knows where the FF#22 is I'd love to own it again, just for nostalgia's sake.

 

 

Peace,

 

Chip

[WEBHEAD]

When I posted this book before it was sent off.. the first bunch of grades were very positive... until someone focused on the stamp....

 

 

If the book was posted without the stamp... I'm sure that it would have gotten a better shake... maybe I can dig up 3 copies and post in the grading area to see who can pick it out...

 

PS: When I first posted the book my worry was not the overall appearance but what "a stamp" (which could be everything from company to someones name) would do it . I did not buy it as a Eastern Clr File Copy.

[DiceX]

Too bad it has that stamp on it, then.

 

 

[WEBHEAD]

Too bad it has that stamp on it, then.

 

 

 

[Spiderphill]

WEB, the bottom edge does look iffy. Either way cool book/history if it is or isn't.

[DiceX]

Too bad it has that stamp on it, then.

 

 

 

 

Oh, come on. It was funny. You know it was.

 

 

[rodan57]

WEB, the bottom edge does look iffy. Either way cool book/history if it is or isn't.

 

The reason we are finding the bottom edge iffy is because Marvel's don't tend to age this way. There tends to be a distinctive shaping of the folded paper. There's a "v" shape to the external edge and the paper tends to protrude farther out at the top right edge of the book than at the bottom.

 

A particularly well-preserved book may not evidence this aging but these are relatively rare.

 

I must say I have not seen books where the bottom of the book is exposed. That looks more like a cover has been attached too high -- subsequent to the original trimming at the plant.

 

None of us take any particular joy in being suspicious of the book. I suspect that many of us would quite happy to find ourselves proven wrong. Good luck.

[Calamerica]

I am REAL good at spotting trimmed books.

 

With using a scan only( can't have it in hand, obviously), I say that it is NOT trimmed.

 

CAL

[chrisco37]

No I don't think it looks trimmed, since I don't have it in hand to match up with another ASM 42 I'll just have to wait.

 

 

Just look at this 8.0 corners look the same

 

 

 

 

 

It does not look the same at all. Look at both the ULHC and LLHC. The 8.0 has soft corners (despite the scan being much smaller, you can clearly see this) while the raw book has razor sharp corners.

 

I hope it comes back clean for your sake. I would prepare for the worst and hope for the best, if I were you.

[chrisco37]

Also, the right edge on the raw book is not uniform/straight.

 

And the bottom looks near perfect.

 

Make sure you post the scan of the slab when you get it back.

[WEBHEAD]

Also, the right edge on the raw book is not uniform/straight.

 

And the bottom looks near perfect.

 

Make sure you post the scan of the slab when you get it back.

 

For gone conclusion fix is in

 

Plus since I am close to a charter member I know what would happen it would be just piling on.

 

 

 

I'll take my lumps...regardless of the grade I will be ok with it. Unless it shows up a 3.0 I've made my $$ back.. just disappointed if not taken for it's merits and hopefully this one will have GRADING NOTES.

 

Right now Ceasars Place is laying the odds 100-0 no NOTES

 

Last question to all those those Eastern Clr File copies that were graded ie the link showing ECF books for sale .. not only for sale but marked

File Copies. Are those frauds as well? Are they really File Copies.. I think so.

 

 

[fantastic_four]

You're not going to get what you're hoping for even if there are notes. CGC doesn't tell you how they know something is color touched or trimmed, I.e. what evidence they look for when detecting restoration, they simply tell you what restoration they've found. I'm pretty sure they consider restoration detection a trade secret and therefore don't tell you how it's done.

[WEBHEAD]

You're not going to get what you're hoping for even if there are notes. CGC doesn't tell you how they know something is color touched or trimmed, I.e. what evidence they look for when detecting restoration, they simply tell you what restoration they've found. I'm pretty sure they consider restoration detection a trade secret and therefore don't tell you how it's done.

 

Just another trade secret. Let me pose this question is it the Restoration specialist who makes that call or the Tier 1 grader? Woudn't be interesting if the first 2 grades don't see anything..But again I'm just spitting in the wind.....and tugging on Superman's cape

 

[fantastic_four]

Just another trade secret. Let me pose this question is it the Restoration specialist who makes that call or the Tier 1 grader? Woudn't be interesting if the first 2 grades don't see anything..But again I'm just spitting in the wind.....and tugging on Superman's cape

 

The restoration checker makes the call.

 

I think the restoration check happens before grading, but I'm not sure of it, it has been many years since I read the article that detailed the CGC grading process that we've talked about many times in this forum. I doubt the graders spend time on restoration checking or note it if even if they do see it just for efficiency's sake to keep grading time to a minimum, but I don't know that, it's just a guess based upon what seems to be most efficient to their process.

[fantastic_four]

And that bottom edge definitely looks trimmed from your scan--the interior poking out through the bottom is the opposite of what you expect to see, the vast majority of books have the cover overflashing past the interior on the bottom, which is the case on that 8.0 you posted an image of--there's so much cover overflash on that one that it's partially creased up under the book, which is very, very common. Dupcak almost always trims bottom edges, possibly because it's the last place collectors tend to notice. Your top edge looks suspect just because it's so straight, but I don't think it's possible for us to tell from the scan as untrimmed top edges can look like that.

[BlowUpTheMoon]

I think the restoration check happens before grading,

 

Yes.