GeeksAreMyPeeps Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? Insofar that Venom is a combination of a person and a symbiote, it's not until the two come together that it's really Venom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakesComics Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 It's borderline BA/CA, but look how much Spectacular Spidey #64 has dried up on ebay. Someone might be hoarding that one. I always thought it was a bit underappreciated. Cloak & Dagger were big time back in the 80's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGGIEZ Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? Not true for Ant-Man. For some reason, TTA#27 is erroneously listed as the first appearance of Ant-Man even though it's Hank Pym in street clothes. He becomes Ant-Man in TTA#35 and it's listed as Ant-Man's 2nd appearance... Shouldn't Avengers #59 be the 2nd appearance of Yellowjacket then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illustrious Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? Not true for Ant-Man. For some reason, TTA#27 is erroneously listed as the first appearance of Ant-Man even though it's Hank Pym in street clothes. He becomes Ant-Man in TTA#35 and it's listed as Ant-Man's 2nd appearance... Shouldn't Avengers #59 be the 2nd appearance of Yellowjacket then? Yet the cover of TTA #35 says "The Return of the Ant-Man", if he's "returning" he'd have to been there once before right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telerites Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? Not true for Ant-Man. For some reason, TTA#27 is erroneously listed as the first appearance of Ant-Man even though it's Hank Pym in street clothes. He becomes Ant-Man in TTA#35 and it's listed as Ant-Man's 2nd appearance... Shouldn't Avengers #59 be the 2nd appearance of Yellowjacket then? I'm not sure how I feel about Ant-Man's first appearance. The Fantastic Four didn't get their costumes until issue #3 so is that their first appearance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faster friends Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Same with DC's Animal Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catch21 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? No, Iron Man 118 came out before Iron Man 282. Iron Man 118 is worth more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakesComics Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Same with DC's Animal Man Boy did DC miss the boat on that one. The Animal Man keys are half as much as they were 25 years ago. He was an adamantium skeleton away from being great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGGIEZ Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? Not true for Ant-Man. For some reason, TTA#27 is erroneously listed as the first appearance of Ant-Man even though it's Hank Pym in street clothes. He becomes Ant-Man in TTA#35 and it's listed as Ant-Man's 2nd appearance... Shouldn't Avengers #59 be the 2nd appearance of Yellowjacket then? Yet the cover of TTA #35 says "The Return of the Ant-Man", if he's "returning" he'd have to been there once before right? not this argument again...forget I said anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP_Gresham Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? Not true for Ant-Man. For some reason, TTA#27 is erroneously listed as the first appearance of Ant-Man even though it's Hank Pym in street clothes. He becomes Ant-Man in TTA#35 and it's listed as Ant-Man's 2nd appearance... Shouldn't Avengers #59 be the 2nd appearance of Yellowjacket then? Yet the cover of TTA #35 says "The Return of the Ant-Man", if he's "returning" he'd have to been there once before right? not this argument again...forget I said anything... It's not an argument. The market has settled the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGGIEZ Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? Not true for Ant-Man. For some reason, TTA#27 is erroneously listed as the first appearance of Ant-Man even though it's Hank Pym in street clothes. He becomes Ant-Man in TTA#35 and it's listed as Ant-Man's 2nd appearance... Shouldn't Avengers #59 be the 2nd appearance of Yellowjacket then? Yet the cover of TTA #35 says "The Return of the Ant-Man", if he's "returning" he'd have to been there once before right? not this argument again...forget I said anything... It's not an argument. The market has settled the issue. Actually, it IS an argument. Just like Hulk 180 vs 181 is an argument. Just like FF 67 and Thor 165 vs MP1 is an argument. Jimmy Olsen and Forever People 1....just because TTA 27 is the more expensive book doesn't erase the fact that it's arguable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakesComics Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? Not true for Ant-Man. For some reason, TTA#27 is erroneously listed as the first appearance of Ant-Man even though it's Hank Pym in street clothes. He becomes Ant-Man in TTA#35 and it's listed as Ant-Man's 2nd appearance... Shouldn't Avengers #59 be the 2nd appearance of Yellowjacket then? Yet the cover of TTA #35 says "The Return of the Ant-Man", if he's "returning" he'd have to been there once before right? not this argument again...forget I said anything... It's not an argument. The market has settled the issue. Actually, it IS an argument. Just like Hulk 180 vs 181 is an argument. Just like FF 67 and Thor 165 vs MP1 is an argument. Jimmy Olsen and Forever People 1....just because TTA 27 is the more expensive book doesn't erase the fact that it's arguable. Just for the record, JO 134 is a rarer book than FP 1, but it barely, and I mean by the skin of its teeth, qualifies as even a cameo. One of the weakest cameos in the history of comics......period. Darkseid is Kirby's baby, not Neal Adams'. Edited August 15, 2014 by blazincomics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreezy Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 this thread and the first appereance talk make my brain hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPark Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? Not true for Ant-Man. For some reason, TTA#27 is erroneously listed as the first appearance of Ant-Man even though it's Hank Pym in street clothes. He becomes Ant-Man in TTA#35 and it's listed as Ant-Man's 2nd appearance... Shouldn't Avengers #59 be the 2nd appearance of Yellowjacket then? Yet the cover of TTA #35 says "The Return of the Ant-Man", if he's "returning" he'd have to been there once before right? not this argument again...forget I said anything... It's not an argument. The market has settled the issue. Actually, it IS an argument. Just like Hulk 180 vs 181 is an argument. Just like FF 67 and Thor 165 vs MP1 is an argument. Jimmy Olsen and Forever People 1....just because TTA 27 is the more expensive book doesn't erase the fact that it's arguable. Just for the record, JO 134 is a rarer book than FP 1, but it barely, and I mean by the skin of its teeth, qualifies as even a cameo. One of the weakest cameos in the history of comics......period. Darkseid is Kirby's baby, not Neal Adams. I think we can all agree: Neal Adams is NOT Kirby's baby. That said, Hulk 180 really is the first appearance of Wolverine and it is an awesome appearance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 It's only really an argument if I own any of them . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGGIEZ Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? Not true for Ant-Man. For some reason, TTA#27 is erroneously listed as the first appearance of Ant-Man even though it's Hank Pym in street clothes. He becomes Ant-Man in TTA#35 and it's listed as Ant-Man's 2nd appearance... Shouldn't Avengers #59 be the 2nd appearance of Yellowjacket then? Yet the cover of TTA #35 says "The Return of the Ant-Man", if he's "returning" he'd have to been there once before right? not this argument again...forget I said anything... It's not an argument. The market has settled the issue. Actually, it IS an argument. Just like Hulk 180 vs 181 is an argument. Just like FF 67 and Thor 165 vs MP1 is an argument. Jimmy Olsen and Forever People 1....just because TTA 27 is the more expensive book doesn't erase the fact that it's arguable. Just for the record, JO 134 is a rarer book than FP 1, but it barely, and I mean by the skin of its teeth, qualifies as even a cameo. One of the weakest cameos in the history of comics......period. Darkseid is Kirby's baby, not Neal Adams'. Couldn't agree more… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimebuster Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 For 4, I like how CGC does it. If the character appears first without costume, it's first appearance of the character's real name. Then if the character appears in costume, it's first appearance of character's real name as (superhero). However, if the costume appears first without revealing the identity it's 1st Superhero. Then if the character appears without the costume it's 1st real name. Market-wise in most cases, it's whichever is printed 1st is worth the most money. Except War Machine, Ant Man, Venom, and even Cable all appeared in costume 2nd and those are the money books right? Not true for Ant-Man. For some reason, TTA#27 is erroneously listed as the first appearance of Ant-Man even though it's Hank Pym in street clothes. He becomes Ant-Man in TTA#35 and it's listed as Ant-Man's 2nd appearance... Shouldn't Avengers #59 be the 2nd appearance of Yellowjacket then? Yet the cover of TTA #35 says "The Return of the Ant-Man", if he's "returning" he'd have to been there once before right? not this argument again...forget I said anything... It's not an argument. The market has settled the issue. Actually, it IS an argument. Just like Hulk 180 vs 181 is an argument. Just like FF 67 and Thor 165 vs MP1 is an argument. Jimmy Olsen and Forever People 1....just because TTA 27 is the more expensive book doesn't erase the fact that it's arguable. Just for the record, JO 134 is a rarer book than FP 1, but it barely, and I mean by the skin of its teeth, qualifies as even a cameo. One of the weakest cameos in the history of comics......period. Darkseid is Kirby's baby, not Neal Adams'. Couldn't agree more… 1) we see him 2) he has dialogue 3) he's named It's a pretty small and fairly lame cameo, but there are far, far worse than this. Man of Steel #17 comes immediately to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjpb Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 1) we see him 2) he has dialogue 3) he's named 4) he's PINK Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakesComics Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 1) we see him 2) he has dialogue 3) he's named 4) he's PINK Fixed Exactly. Hard to call it a cameo if the supposed cameo appearance doesn't look anything like the guy, right? It's very htf in high grade, and I love the cover, but if what's inside the cover matters at all, there really isn't a whole lot to work with here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroszek Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Not that it's worth any money, but Giant-Size Conan #1 is listed as 1st app Belit simply because her name is mentioned on one page that sums up Conan's history. She's not even drawn. Worst labeled first appearance of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
