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PeterPark

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i don't see the regular 377 bouncing much due to the # of them out there -- except maybe in 9.8 -- but the third print is indeed htf (and the cover is different too), so the thing that keeps many 90s books "down" doesn't afflict that edition (too much product).

 

i have never analyzed the issues much and couldn't tell you what they wrere about now (20 years later), but i do remember that, at the time, i really though they were exceptional. a real bright spot among some of the krapola pumped out in the early 90s both story and art-wise.

 

seems like the 1st print #377 in raw is worth next to nothing due to saturation.

 

Im definitively going to try to buy a 3rd print at Comikazee next month. Its funny that some really want the low print version of 3rd print when probably not many even know that a nearly identical Brazilian edition exists and is zero in CGC.

 

 

 

 

No offense, but people are simply never going to desire foreign printings as much as their US counterparts. It hasn't ever happened and I don't foresee it ever happening. I don't knock people for wanting to collect rare (or not) foreign editions or reprints, but to try to equate the demand for a 377-3rd with a 377-Brazilian is a fool's game.

 

I know my own personal excitement level of foreign comics are somewhere between none and none.

 

 

:applause:

 

I used to feel same way. But after nearly 30 years of collecting, I found hunting the foreign keys fun and challenging.

 

Mucho props on the 377 analysis. The 2nd print cover looks more desirable. I cant wait to find 3rd print copy

 

 

 

 

Wait...wait...I feel foreign desire arising in my loin.

Nah. That's not what that was. I'm still at none.

 

 

lol

 

I found an Amazing Spider-man 378 at my LCS the other day...$1.80 Aussie variant...I bought it...

 

:sorry:

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For that price you can buy a decent copy of many 1st appearances which are far more appealing and liquid than a 3rd print of a comic with no discernible story value.

 

meh

 

Alright, it's worth an actual comment.

 

Hulk #377 is the climax and culmination of a very well written, very well plotted 4 year journey that Peter David expertly crafted, with the help of McFarlane, Purves, and Keown. Beginning with issue #331, Peter David explored the psyche of Robert Bruce Banner, who the Hulk was, where he came from, why he existed, and what his relationship was with Banner, in ways that no other writer before him did.

 

Not only did PD take the Hulk and redefine his persona so that the whole "Hulk Smash!" profile actually made sense, but he also introduced us to, and allowed us to watch, Banner's metamorphosis and acceptance of who and what he really was: the Hulk wasn't some separate creature who shared Banner's body and brain...the Hulk WAS Banner, and the different facets of the Hulk were merely Banner's way of working through his childhood issues...in other words, things many people deal with, but in Banner's case, exposure to gamma radiation gave his mind and body the ability to physically manifest the product of those issues in the real world.

 

Even more, PD took us to the dark side of these issues, heavily suggesting that the Hulk was actually a result of schizophrenia in Banner, that the mental issues he had had so fragmented his mind, he couldn't face reality properly, which is why he could never be the respected scientist, husband, or even friend that is normal to desire in life, though he certainly tried. By doing this, he implied that everybody who didn't deal with these issues properly was really the Hulk, too, only without the ability to manifest into a giant green or grey monster as outward, physical expressions of what was happening in the mind.

 

PD made the allowance that Bruce Banner WAS and IS a genius on the level of Tony Stark and Reed Richards...but he would forever be dragged down because of the dark manifestation of his psyche as a giant, musclebound brute who spent a good portion of the time smashing things,

 

And "Hulk Smash!" was simply Banner's anger with, frustration at, and inability to even understand, much less change for the better, the things that had happened to him as a child at the hands of his abusive father. It was the angry and hurt inner child, given form in reality, with the power to DO something about it...although what, he had no idea, hence the constant rage at any and everything he imagined was opposed to him. The Grey Hulk, then, was the manifestation of Banner's teenage persona, rebellious, angry, snide, cold.

 

Finally, with issue #377, after a long and difficult journey, Banner...for the first time in the character's then nearly 30 year existence....was psychologically healthy, having gone through and conquered the personal issues of his own life, and finally coming to terms with what had happened to him as a child. For the first time in his entire life, Banner was a functioning, normal human being, with his mind and all his faculties intact...albeit, as a giant, green powerhouse. But a SANE giant, green powerhouse. ;)

 

It is one of the finest sagas of the late 80's, and it forever ended the "Hulk Smash!" boring, two dimensionality of the character that had plagued him for DECADES (and was one of the reasons the original Marvel run was cancelled, and why the Hulk couldn't support his own book for 6+ years.)

 

All the Banner/Hulk psychological angst that is so popular today? All the "intelligent Hulk" stories which have dominated the character for 20 years? It didn't START with PD, but it most certainly was given its solid foundation by him. All these ideas had been touched...but only touched...by earlier writers, with most of them, from Byrne to Milgrom to Mantlo to Lee...not really being able to grasp the concepts, and eventually just resorting back to "Hulk Smash!" stories.

 

What Peter David did for the Hulk was JUST as important, and JUST as enduring as what Alan Moore did for Swamp Thing. And they both accomplished it without having to change one letter of what had gone before. Whereas, Moore accomplished it at the beginning of his tenure as writer, with the Anatomy Lesson in #21, PD used the majority of his run to reach that redefinition, finally coming to a smashing resolution in issue #377 (with a lot of really, really fantastic issues...like #339, 344, 345, 368, 373....in between.)

 

PD took Banner, and made him a REAL character, with a REAL personality, and during the course of the story, did what all characters in any story is supposed to do: made him grow and change. Without that, real people cannot identify with the two-dimensional portrayals they are looking at.

 

And it was a damn fun ride, too.

 

No discernable story value...? I suppose, if one looks at just the issue itself. But that would be like bowing down to Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin at the coronation of Aragorn, and reading nothing prior to that scene.

 

No story value, indeed.

 

hm Who is this brilliant person, and what have they done with the popcorn eater ?

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For that price you can buy a decent copy of many 1st appearances which are far more appealing and liquid than a 3rd print of a comic with no discernible story value.

 

meh

 

Alright, it's worth an actual comment.

 

Hulk #377 is the climax and culmination of a very well written, very well plotted 4 year journey that Peter David expertly crafted, with the help of McFarlane, Purves, and Keown. Beginning with issue #331, Peter David explored the psyche of Robert Bruce Banner, who the Hulk was, where he came from, why he existed, and what his relationship was with Banner, in ways that no other writer before him did.

 

Not only did PD take the Hulk and redefine his persona so that the whole "Hulk Smash!" profile actually made sense, but he also introduced us to, and allowed us to watch, Banner's metamorphosis and acceptance of who and what he really was: the Hulk wasn't some separate creature who shared Banner's body and brain...the Hulk WAS Banner, and the different facets of the Hulk were merely Banner's way of working through his childhood issues...in other words, things many people deal with, but in Banner's case, exposure to gamma radiation gave his mind and body the ability to physically manifest the product of those issues in the real world.

 

Even more, PD took us to the dark side of these issues, heavily suggesting that the Hulk was actually a result of schizophrenia in Banner, that the mental issues he had had so fragmented his mind, he couldn't face reality properly, which is why he could never be the respected scientist, husband, or even friend that is normal to desire in life, though he certainly tried. By doing this, he implied that everybody who didn't deal with these issues properly was really the Hulk, too, only without the ability to manifest into a giant green or grey monster as outward, physical expressions of what was happening in the mind.

 

PD made the allowance that Bruce Banner WAS and IS a genius on the level of Tony Stark and Reed Richards...but he would forever be dragged down because of the dark manifestation of his psyche as a giant, musclebound brute who spent a good portion of the time smashing things,

 

And "Hulk Smash!" was simply Banner's anger with, frustration at, and inability to even understand, much less change for the better, the things that had happened to him as a child at the hands of his abusive father. It was the angry and hurt inner child, given form in reality, with the power to DO something about it...although what, he had no idea, hence the constant rage at any and everything he imagined was opposed to him. The Grey Hulk, then, was the manifestation of Banner's teenage persona, rebellious, angry, snide, cold.

 

Finally, with issue #377, after a long and difficult journey, Banner...for the first time in the character's then nearly 30 year existence....was psychologically healthy, having gone through and conquered the personal issues of his own life, and finally coming to terms with what had happened to him as a child. For the first time in his entire life, Banner was a functioning, normal human being, with his mind and all his faculties intact...albeit, as a giant, green powerhouse. But a SANE giant, green powerhouse. ;)

 

It is one of the finest sagas of the late 80's, and it forever ended the "Hulk Smash!" boring, two dimensionality of the character that had plagued him for DECADES (and was one of the reasons the original Marvel run was cancelled, and why the Hulk couldn't support his own book for 6+ years.)

 

All the Banner/Hulk psychological angst that is so popular today? All the "intelligent Hulk" stories which have dominated the character for 20 years? It didn't START with PD, but it most certainly was given its solid foundation by him. All these ideas had been touched...but only touched...by earlier writers, with most of them, from Byrne to Milgrom to Mantlo to Lee...not really being able to grasp the concepts, and eventually just resorting back to "Hulk Smash!" stories.

 

What Peter David did for the Hulk was JUST as important, and JUST as enduring as what Alan Moore did for Swamp Thing. And they both accomplished it without having to change one letter of what had gone before. Whereas, Moore accomplished it at the beginning of his tenure as writer, with the Anatomy Lesson in #21, PD used the majority of his run to reach that redefinition, finally coming to a smashing resolution in issue #377 (with a lot of really, really fantastic issues...like #339, 344, 345, 368, 373....in between.)

 

PD took Banner, and made him a REAL character, with a REAL personality, and during the course of the story, did what all characters in any story is supposed to do: made him grow and change. Without that, real people cannot identify with the two-dimensional portrayals they are looking at.

 

And it was a damn fun ride, too.

 

No discernable story value...? I suppose, if one looks at just the issue itself. But that would be like bowing down to Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin at the coronation of Aragorn, and reading nothing prior to that scene.

 

No story value, indeed.

 

The best way I can sum up PAD's run of the Hulk is a friend of mine who said he hated the Hulk, but he liked PAD's run because it wasn't the Hulk.

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Not sure if this was mentioned but Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children as a film? Tough to find cheap

 

I pick up every high grade copy that I find. And I don't find many.

I almost never see them and even rarer in high grade. BSUC as a film? Not sure how. I seem to remember this as an anthology series.
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RockMyAmadeus

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I couldn't have been the only one that liked the Pantheon storylines as well could I? I enjoyed the merged Hulk and I really thought PD's best issues were 380 and 420 in my opinion. I think 380 was brilliant and never gets any press.

 

Keown's art in 381...

 

:headbang:

 

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:applause:

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I really liked Keown's work when he hit the scene. It's a shame he decided to leave Marvel for Image and only publish 3 issues a year :(

Making a million bucks on a single release is a great test of drive to work.

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Not sure if this was mentioned but Beautiful Stories for Ugly Children as a film? Tough to find cheap

 

I pick up every high grade copy that I find. And I don't find many.

I almost never see them and even rarer in high grade. BSUC as a film? Not sure how. I seem to remember this as an anthology series.

 

U never see them, much less in HG, because you havent seen my back stock ;)

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Just saw this auction on eBay for NM 98 CGC 9.6 and X-Force 2 CGC 9.6.

 

Bidding is currently up to $282 with 6 hours left.

 

Auction

 

X-Force 2 is still not the 2nd appearance of Deadpool.

 

I thought that was a dead dog already . . . :sumo:

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