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[Boboset]

ASM 238 was not $10 in grade. That was a fast seller at $30.

 

ASM 252 was closer to $8-15 in grade.

 

The rest I agree on.

[Aweandlorder]

I was just taking the really with those big numbers on those books, but Im sure that there were books that were quite lucrative at that time that arent now, some people mentioned Ultimate Spider-Man and Authority awhile back in a post I started about pre WD hot books

[ygogolak]

Uh, so what's hot now?

 

I really don't care about memories.

 

I actually agree.

[Red_Hood]

Some of you folks weren't in the comics market in the late 90's/early 2000's, huh...?

 

 

Imagine: any copper book, all of them, for $5 or less. Every. Single. One.

 

Except Turtles #1. That was a $50-$100 book, off it's 1990 highs of $300-$400.

 

Imagine, Spidey #252, $3 or so on eBay.

 

Primer #2? $20.

 

Spidey #238? $10, tops.

 

And forget the Johnny-come-lately "keys."

 

Dark Knight? #1-4, $20.

 

Watchmen? Drek.1-12, $12 shipped.

 

Oh, sure, there were the oddballs...Miracleman #15 was selling for $50-$60 or so...but that was the great exception.

 

Spidey #298? $10. #300? $25. New Mutants #87? $5. New Mutants #98? Sold in runs of #90-100 for $10.

 

Pick a key, any key...it was virtually worthless. The demand simply wasn't there.

 

That's what it was like in the late 90's/early 2000's.

 

Right, but thats because at the time Magnus, Lady Death and Gen13 were going for 200-300$

 

No, you're mistaken. You're off by about 5-8 years.

 

If any issue of Magnus sold for more than $10 after the Fall of 1993 and until about 2005, I'd be very surprised.

 

Gen 13 had crashed, and crashed hard. I don't recall any issue of Gen 13, even at the height of its 1994-1995 popularity, ever selling for "$200-$300", though. #1 and #1/2 were the biggees, and they sold for about $50 each.

 

Lady Death #1 was a $100 book in 1994, for sure, but by 1999...$5.

 

LATE 90's/early 2000's. Think 1998-2002 or thereabouts.

 

Also, the dealers that were trading

nice bronze and silver age stock to acquire pallets

of Valiant material.

 

[21Pittsburgh58]

Uh, so what's hot now?

 

I really don't care about memories.

 

I actually agree.

 

Awesome!!!

[Jaydogrules]

Some of you folks weren't in the comics market in the late 90's/early 2000's, huh...?

 

 

Imagine: any copper book, all of them, for $5 or less. Every. Single. One.

 

Except Turtles #1. That was a $50-$100 book, off it's 1990 highs of $300-$400.

 

Imagine, Spidey #252, $3 or so on eBay.

 

Primer #2? $20.

 

Spidey #238? $10, tops.

 

And forget the Johnny-come-lately "keys."

 

Dark Knight? #1-4, $20.

 

Watchmen? Drek.1-12, $12 shipped.

 

Oh, sure, there were the oddballs...Miracleman #15 was selling for $50-$60 or so...but that was the great exception.

 

Spidey #298? $10. #300? $25. New Mutants #87? $5. New Mutants #98? Sold in runs of #90-100 for $10.

 

Pick a key, any key...it was virtually worthless. The demand simply wasn't there.

 

That's what it was like in the late 90's/early 2000's.

 

I agree with all of this. It once again makes me believe that we have a Copper/Modern Age bubble now.

 

-J.

[Chip Cataldo]

Also, the dealers that were trading

nice bronze and silver age stock to acquire pallets

of Valiant material.

It could've been worse. I was trading case-fresh vintage Star Wars figures for Valiants.

 

 

Peace,

 

Chip

[rjrjr]

I'll have to disagree on the Magnus, at least if you meant the VALIANT version. Late '90s/early 2000, they were already way down (and being snatched up by the smart people on this newfangled thing called eBay for a song - same with Unity Reds, CEARs, early Harbinger & Rai issues, etc.)

 

 

 

 

-slym

 

Has there been movement in Valiant books? Because I don't see much movement, even on "keys" and variants. Have any of these comics even climbed back to their early 90s highs?

 

Seems to me like many of the Valiants can still be had today for a song just like in the late 90s/early 2000s.

Edited January 25, 2015 by rjrjr

[manetteska]

Someone else cashed in:

 

Spectacular Spider-Man 90

[fastballspecial]

Some of you folks weren't in the comics market in the late 90's/early 2000's, huh...?

 

 

Imagine: any copper book, all of them, for $5 or less. Every. Single. One.

 

Except Turtles #1. That was a $50-$100 book, off it's 1990 highs of $300-$400.

 

Imagine, Spidey #252, $3 or so on eBay.

 

Primer #2? $20.

 

Spidey #238? $10, tops.

 

And forget the Johnny-come-lately "keys."

 

Dark Knight? #1-4, $20.

 

Watchmen? Drek.1-12, $12 shipped.

 

Oh, sure, there were the oddballs...Miracleman #15 was selling for $50-$60 or so...but that was the great exception.

 

Spidey #298? $10. #300? $25. New Mutants #87? $5. New Mutants #98? Sold in runs of #90-100 for $10.

 

Pick a key, any key...it was virtually worthless. The demand simply wasn't there.

 

That's what it was like in the late 90's/early 2000's.

 

I agree with all of this. It once again makes me believe that we have a Copper/Modern Age bubble now.

 

-J.

 

What do both times have in common? ----->>>> Card dealers/collectors

 

Some will disagree, but Ive seen them back in large numbers again. I know that sounds negative, but if you buying/selling comics during that time you know what I am talking about.

 

We are in a huge bubble I agree. I don't see it popping for a couple of years still. I mean Sleepwalker 1 is a $10-15 book.

 

 

Edited January 25, 2015 by Fastballspecial

[thecopperagekids]

Some of you folks weren't in the comics market in the late 90's/early 2000's, huh...?

 

 

Imagine: any copper book, all of them, for $5 or less. Every. Single. One.

 

Except Turtles #1. That was a $50-$100 book, off it's 1990 highs of $300-$400.

 

Imagine, Spidey #252, $3 or so on eBay.

 

Primer #2? $20.

 

Spidey #238? $10, tops.

 

And forget the Johnny-come-lately "keys."

 

Dark Knight? #1-4, $20.

 

Watchmen? Drek.1-12, $12 shipped.

 

Oh, sure, there were the oddballs...Miracleman #15 was selling for $50-$60 or so...but that was the great exception.

 

Spidey #298? $10. #300? $25. New Mutants #87? $5. New Mutants #98? Sold in runs of #90-100 for $10.

 

Pick a key, any key...it was virtually worthless. The demand simply wasn't there.

 

That's what it was like in the late 90's/early 2000's.

 

Nonsense.....with all due respect.

 

Before you retroactively offer up an all encompassing market evaluation, you have to cite where you are getting your figures.

 

Copper keys were not "practically worthless" and not obtainable in the late 90's/early 2000's for $5.

 

I was setting up at comic shows in the northeast and ebay regularly at that time.The demand was there.Right around 2000 is when I stopped doing shows and ebay, not resuming either intil 2009 so I am sure of my numbers, in the year 2000.

 

I live in the northeast, which is where pretty much all of the printing took place in that time period so regional convention prices tended to be higher in the west,specifically the midwest.That said, the prices noted below, are on the low end.

 

 

A couple numbers which I sold some of the books at in raw are.....

 

ASM 252...solid $25 in NM.....Where are you getting $3 from?

 

ASM 300 $50-$100, raw VF to NM. Not $25.

 

Batman Dark Knight 1-4 set. This set sold for $50 in VF/NM, whenever I had it.

 

New Mutants 87 for $5? I routinely sold this book for $20 in NM.New Mutants 98 was going for around $25-50 in VF to NM.

 

That's just a couple of the books........

 

[Lazyboy]

Some of you folks weren't in the comics market in the late 90's/early 2000's, huh...?

 

 

Imagine: any copper book, all of them, for $5 or less. Every. Single. One.

 

Except Turtles #1. That was a $50-$100 book, off it's 1990 highs of $300-$400.

 

Imagine, Spidey #252, $3 or so on eBay.

 

Primer #2? $20.

 

Spidey #238? $10, tops.

 

And forget the Johnny-come-lately "keys."

 

Dark Knight? #1-4, $20.

 

Watchmen? Drek.1-12, $12 shipped.

 

Oh, sure, there were the oddballs...Miracleman #15 was selling for $50-$60 or so...but that was the great exception.

 

Spidey #298? $10. #300? $25. New Mutants #87? $5. New Mutants #98? Sold in runs of #90-100 for $10.

 

Pick a key, any key...it was virtually worthless. The demand simply wasn't there.

 

That's what it was like in the late 90's/early 2000's.

 

Nonsense.....with all due respect.

 

Before you retroactively offer up an all encompassing market evaluation, you have to cite where you are getting your figures.

 

Copper keys were not "practically worthless" and not obtainable in the late 90's/early 2000's for $5.

 

I was setting up at comic shows in the northeast and ebay regularly at that time.The demand was there.Right around 2000 is when I stopped doing shows and ebay, not resuming either intil 2009 so I am sure of my numbers, in the year 2000.

 

I live in the northeast, which is where pretty much all of the printing took place in that time period so regional convention prices tended to be higher in the west,specifically the midwest.That said, the prices noted below, are on the low end.

 

 

A couple numbers which I sold some of the books at in raw are.....

 

ASM 252...solid $25 in NM.....Where are you getting $3 from?

 

ASM 300 $50-$100, raw VF to NM. Not $25.

 

Batman Dark Knight 1-4 set. This set sold for $50 in VF/NM, whenever I had it.

 

New Mutants 87 for $5? I routinely sold this book for $20 in NM.New Mutants 98 was going for around $25-50 in VF to NM.

 

That's just a couple of the books........

If anything you said was even remotely true, convention attendees really lost out by not being more tech savvy.

 

I know I wish I had started using eBay before 2004. Then again, the reason I didn't is that I didn't have much money to spend and I can't really regret how I did spend my money.

[spreads]

I'll have to disagree on the Magnus, at least if you meant the VALIANT version. Late '90s/early 2000, they were already way down (and being snatched up by the smart people on this newfangled thing called eBay for a song - same with Unity Reds, CEARs, early Harbinger & Rai issues, etc.)

 

 

 

 

-slym

 

Has there been movement in Valiant books? Because I don't see much movement, even on "keys" and variants. Have any of these comics even climbed back to their early 90s highs?

 

Seems to me like many of the Valiants can still be had today for a song just like in the late 90s/early 2000s.

 

That is correct, prices have reverted back to previous lows (maybe not all-time lows), but they've gotten pretty cheap across the board.

[divad]

Someone else cashed in:

 

Spectacular Spider-Man 90

 

I told you that book is hot . . .

[Aweandlorder]

Some of you folks weren't in the comics market in the late 90's/early 2000's, huh...?

 

 

Imagine: any copper book, all of them, for $5 or less. Every. Single. One.

 

Except Turtles #1. That was a $50-$100 book, off it's 1990 highs of $300-$400.

 

Imagine, Spidey #252, $3 or so on eBay.

 

Primer #2? $20.

 

Spidey #238? $10, tops.

 

And forget the Johnny-come-lately "keys."

 

Dark Knight? #1-4, $20.

 

Watchmen? Drek.1-12, $12 shipped.

 

Oh, sure, there were the oddballs...Miracleman #15 was selling for $50-$60 or so...but that was the great exception.

 

Spidey #298? $10. #300? $25. New Mutants #87? $5. New Mutants #98? Sold in runs of #90-100 for $10.

 

Pick a key, any key...it was virtually worthless. The demand simply wasn't there.

 

That's what it was like in the late 90's/early 2000's.

 

Nonsense.....with all due respect.

 

Before you retroactively offer up an all encompassing market evaluation, you have to cite where you are getting your figures.

 

Copper keys were not "practically worthless" and not obtainable in the late 90's/early 2000's for $5.

 

I was setting up at comic shows in the northeast and ebay regularly at that time.The demand was there.Right around 2000 is when I stopped doing shows and ebay, not resuming either intil 2009 so I am sure of my numbers, in the year 2000.

 

I live in the northeast, which is where pretty much all of the printing took place in that time period so regional convention prices tended to be higher in the west,specifically the midwest.That said, the prices noted below, are on the low end.

 

 

A couple numbers which I sold some of the books at in raw are.....

 

ASM 252...solid $25 in NM.....Where are you getting $3 from?

 

ASM 300 $50-$100, raw VF to NM. Not $25.

 

Batman Dark Knight 1-4 set. This set sold for $50 in VF/NM, whenever I had it.

 

New Mutants 87 for $5? I routinely sold this book for $20 in NM.New Mutants 98 was going for around $25-50 in VF to NM.

 

That's just a couple of the books........

If anything you said was even remotely true, convention attendees really lost out by not being more tech savvy.

 

I know I wish I had started using eBay before 2004. Then again, the reason I didn't is that I didn't have much money to spend and I can't really regret how I did spend my money.

 

In the year 2000 (not to quote Conan O'brien) people will still spend mo' money in conventions than on eBay.. This statement still holds true today.. Technology or not

[Transplant]

Someone else cashed in:

 

Spectacular Spider-Man 90

 

I told you that book is hot . . .

And they managed to sell that book without being deceitful in their title/description.

[Aweandlorder]

Someone else cashed in:

 

Spectacular Spider-Man 90

 

I told you that book is hot . . .

And they managed to sell that book without being deceitful in their title/description.

 

Ill take one for a buck fifty instead of...

[divad]

Get a life, loser. No one was deceived; no one was unhappy with the transaction. Did you even bother to follow-up? No. Just a hater.

[Transplant]

Get a life, loser. No one was deceived; no one was unhappy with the transaction. Did you even bother to follow-up? No. Just a hater.

Your auction description was a lie. Pure and simple. No mention of first black costume (in that title). You just said first black costume.

Edited January 26, 2015 by Transplant

[thecopperagekids]

Some of you folks weren't in the comics market in the late 90's/early 2000's, huh...?

 

 

Imagine: any copper book, all of them, for $5 or less. Every. Single. One.

 

Except Turtles #1. That was a $50-$100 book, off it's 1990 highs of $300-$400.

 

Imagine, Spidey #252, $3 or so on eBay.

 

Primer #2? $20.

 

Spidey #238? $10, tops.

 

And forget the Johnny-come-lately "keys."

 

Dark Knight? #1-4, $20.

 

Watchmen? Drek.1-12, $12 shipped.

 

Oh, sure, there were the oddballs...Miracleman #15 was selling for $50-$60 or so...but that was the great exception.

 

Spidey #298? $10. #300? $25. New Mutants #87? $5. New Mutants #98? Sold in runs of #90-100 for $10.

 

Pick a key, any key...it was virtually worthless. The demand simply wasn't there.

 

That's what it was like in the late 90's/early 2000's.

 

Nonsense.....with all due respect.

 

Before you retroactively offer up an all encompassing market evaluation, you have to cite where you are getting your figures.

 

Copper keys were not "practically worthless" and not obtainable in the late 90's/early 2000's for $5.

 

I was setting up at comic shows in the northeast and ebay regularly at that time.The demand was there.Right around 2000 is when I stopped doing shows and ebay, not resuming either intil 2009 so I am sure of my numbers, in the year 2000.

 

I live in the northeast, which is where pretty much all of the printing took place in that time period so regional convention prices tended to be higher in the west,specifically the midwest.That said, the prices noted below, are on the low end.

 

 

A couple numbers which I sold some of the books at in raw are.....

 

ASM 252...solid $25 in NM.....Where are you getting $3 from?

 

ASM 300 $50-$100, raw VF to NM. Not $25.

 

Batman Dark Knight 1-4 set. This set sold for $50 in VF/NM, whenever I had it.

 

New Mutants 87 for $5? I routinely sold this book for $20 in NM.New Mutants 98 was going for around $25-50 in VF to NM.

 

That's just a couple of the books........

If anything you said was even remotely true, convention attendees really lost out by not being more tech savvy.

 

I know I wish I had started using eBay before 2004. Then again, the reason I didn't is that I didn't have much money to spend and I can't really regret how I did spend my money.

 

In the year 2000 (not to quote Conan O'brien) people will still spend mo' money in conventions than on eBay.. This statement still holds true today.. Technology or not

 

 

I'm not making numbers up.

 

My intention with sharing those numbers is to say that the copper market isn't a bubble,just as the bronze market wasn't a bubble back in 1999/2000. A fine example is by citing those numbers ....AND...comparing the sustained growth of the bronze age market to the copper age market.

 

I don't like the idea of the copper market being pigeonhled as a bubble market so I'm speaking up.This is the same kind of talk that was slung around back in the late 90's when formerly obscurre bronze age books ( gothic romance, horror and so on) were selling at prices which some thought were astronomical.

 

I distinctly remember how much House Of Mystery 179 (first horror format w/a classic Wrightson cover) going from a $20 book in NM to a $150 book in NM (raw) , after Overstreet's Comic Book Marketplace published a focus on 70's horror books.People protested bronze books like this as being a viable part of our hobby visrtually enmasse, mostly dudes I talked to at comic shows and in my shop (as I had a shop at that time)..... citing they were nothing more than a fad driven bubble and meanwhile, I was scouring for these types of books and selling them damn near immediately, at exponential percentages.

 

The market proved those naysayers to be wrong, just as the market will invariably show again with sustained growth on copper age key books, in 10-15 years from now.

 

Yes, the sales figured I cited above were sales that I made myself, some 15 years ago.I had those books multiple times and sold them for those prices when I brought them to shows or listed them on ebay.

 

At that time, I listed everything I sold on ebay with no minimum bids + no reserve (charged $3 for boxed priority shipping) and those books I mentioned sold strongly.

 

The "copper bubble"of that time period was the "bronze bubble".I mainly dealt in silver and gold books back then, because that is what I could buy on a steady basis and then sell on ebay without fail within 7 day auction time frame. Averaging a sale of $40-100 on each listing( 1 book), doubling my investment after fees, I shied away from listing books which wouldn't sell for at least $40 so most of my sales were silver,gold and a smattering of bronze as I dealt only in raw books and unslabbed coppers weren't $40 or more, except for keys in grade.

 

 

 

I invariably got what I wanted/expected 95% of the time as you could expect to put a GD copy of X-Men 5 or a Haunt of Fear 15 in GD and get around full guide for either one i.e. ebay wasn't over run with massive amounts of dreck so no reserve auctions got more attention from collectors.

Not the case now, that is why BIN is so polular with sellers because they know they will more than likely get screwed in auction style.....

 

Actually, one bronze age key I distinctly remember selling was a Hulk 181 ( a raw VF) which I bought from Mike Carbanaro at a show.I put it on eBay and it sold for $360.I still remember that sale today, strangely enough. I think I paid 1/2 Overstreet for it off of Mike.He had a stack of VF copies at that show) and Mike was a hell of a good salesman, and still is, I would have bought more but I simply didn't have the cash on me, at the time.

 

The highest bidder was Bob Storms, who paid me for the book in person.I brought it with me at an old Philly show I used to set up back then, at his request.I remember Bob being super impressed with my grading, he talked about how soft ebay sellers were on average.Pretty cool guy.

 

Anyway, this post is rife with digressions but I get a kick out of thinking what prices were like back then for bronze keys and what they're like now....after all of the comic movies came into being, as that is largely what has driven the prices of bronze keys up.This relates to copper books very succinctly.

 

We will see the same thing with copper keys, over the long term.I'd bet a testicle on it.

 

Especially slabbed newsstand copper keys in 9.8.