Sellers are now using projected grades?

[shadroch]

I don't like it, but I don't think we need another rule. If you don't like it, take note and move on. I don't think this is a successful selling practice anyway, and should backfire eventually.

 

I agree. We certainly don't need a rule againstt it.

[sufunk]

Because GPA is specifically *not* for raw books.

 

This has been covered ad naseum on this forum but I'll try to repeat my understanding/conclusion:

 

The notion that GPA is "only for slabbed books" is not really the entire story - GPA is technically a site that tracks the previous sales of CGC graded books and not raw books, but GPA is representative of the selling value of those books in those respective grades.

 

The only difference between raw and CGC graded is whether you agree with the grade of the raw book.

 

So those that want to be black and white about it are discounting an extremely valuable source for valuing books - for both buyers and sellers.

 

I'm on the same page as COI - as long as the book is not being misrepresented, I don't see what the big deal is. Just move on.

 

 

This (thumbs u

 

If its seller i trust and respect, i have no problem paying gpa for a raw book although i do usually expect a small discount to account for grading fees. If gpa is $500 for a 9.2 and a seller i trust has a 9.2 raw for sale, i'd have no problem paying $450 or so regardless of what Overstreet says.

[ItsJustRyan]

Good points Vintage...

 

I check GPA on most raws I buy. I don't think GPA is the problem. It's misrepresenting a book and/or playing Nostradamus with post-pressing results and charging post press prices.

 

[NewWorldOrder]

I've seen it more when CGC does on-site grading.

 

You can see the casino working in full motion. Spend a day watching the angst of the submission faces, the smiles/frowns/high fives and shaking of the head. It's a HBO show show waiting to happen - Behind the grading door.

 

 

WW Chicago On-site CGC grading is just a month and half away from this Royal Flush hitting again!

 

[VintageComics]

Good points Vintage...

 

I check GPA on most raws I buy. I don't think GPA is the problem. It's misrepresenting a book and/or playing Nostradamus with post-pressing results and charging post press prices.

 

It really seems to be a discussion about grading confidence, doesn't it?

 

 

[DiceX]

I've seen it more when CGC does on-site grading.

 

You can see the casino working in full motion. Spend a day watching the angst of the submission faces, the smiles/frowns/high fives and shaking of the head. It's a HBO show show waiting to happen - Behind the grading door.

 

 

WW Chicago On-site CGC grading is just a month and half away from this Royal Flush hitting again!

 

 

You should always close your mouth when someone cuts the cheese.

 

 

[slym2none]

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

 

Holy carp - using GPA for raw book prices based on a projected grade after pressing.

 

 

 

 

-slym

[ciorac]

I've seen it more when CGC does on-site grading.

 

You can see the casino working in full motion. Spend a day watching the angst of the submission faces, the smiles/frowns/high fives and shaking of the head. It's a HBO show show waiting to happen - Behind the grading door.

 

 

That is so true. We should pitch it to HBO or the History Channel

[paperheart]

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=6802762#Post6802762

 

Holy carp - using GPA for raw book prices based on a projected grade after pressing.

 

 

 

-slym

 

this is the part that doesn't sit remotely well with me.

[ItsJustRyan]

I've seen it more when CGC does on-site grading.

 

You can see the casino working in full motion. Spend a day watching the angst of the submission faces, the smiles/frowns/high fives and shaking of the head. It's a HBO show show waiting to happen - Behind the grading door.

 

 

That is so true. We should pitch it to HBO or the History Channel

 

If Comic Book Men can make it

[slym2none]

OK, why do some sellers user numerical and letter grades in the same sales thread selling raw books?

 

One book will be listed as NM and the next will be listed at 9.4. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I thought those were the same???

 

I used to list both, since some people are not familiar with the numerical grades.

But I guess an answer to your question could be: they are not able to associate any given grade to the numerical equivalent, so maybe they think 9.4 is better than NM? Could be.

 

Anyway, it’s easy:

9.2: NM-

9.4: NM

9.6: NM+

9.8: NM/M

9.9: M-

10: M!

 

I just always assumed that if they gave a numerical grade they were basically saying that's what they think the CGC grade would be. If they give a letter grade maybe they're not quite as sure.

 

Seems weird to me unless someone is offering some kind of guarantee on what CGC will grade a book at.

 

People have been using both scales since before CGC was ever around...

 

 

 

 

-slym

[blazingbob]

Says who? "GPA is representative of the selling value of those books in those respective grades"

 

GPA is only a small portion of the reported sales of a book in a certain grade.

 

Ebay/Heritage/comiconnect and a few select others are not exactly who I look to for pricing information, especially my raw books.

 

 

[Speedy-D]

I'm buying less and less from these boards these days. I suspect its a trend that will continue.

You should be buying OA anyway. Comics suck!!

[blazingbob]

Still the classic CGC on-site grading photo.

 

 

[slym2none]

We don't need more rules....just more CG threads throwing sellers under the bus.

 

 

 

 

 

-slym ( )

[Old Fashion PB and J]

I've seen it more when CGC does on-site grading.

 

You can see the casino working in full motion. Spend a day watching the angst of the submission faces, the smiles/frowns/high fives and shaking of the head. It's a HBO show show waiting to happen - Behind the grading door.

 

 

That is so true. We should pitch it to HBO or the History Channel

You saw me at Philly right..

[Speedy-D]

So yeah, I don't see a point in getting bent out of shape.

 

AK, I don't think it's so much about people going on a bender as it is to just lay out the ground rules. I don't know how it happened that anyone thought it would be a good idea to quote GPA on raw book sales, but it's not a practice that should be used. Period.

 

GPA is stricly for slabs.

 

Quote Overstreet for raw books. Alternatively, do multiple raw book checks on eBay or the forums in the listed grade and use as much sales data as possible rather than cherry picking sales to help skew your ask price.

 

I guess my point is, who are we protecting by instituting that kind of a restriction?

We're protecting people who don't want more information.

 

Would people similarly have a problem if I said:

 

This book is a 9.4 (or NM, however you want to say it). Current GPA value is $525. Overstreet value is $10 for a NM. My price is $10. Would that be okay?

 

Or would people prefer:

 

This book is a 9.4 (or NM, however you want to say it). Overstreet value is $10 for a NM. My price is $10. Would that be okay?

 

If you're okay with the latter in each set of examples, ask yourself why.

 

I prefer the latter. Because when I buy something, I don't need to be quoted the price for something not related to my purchase.

 

The difference between buying raw and buying slabbed is huge. With raw, there's no wait time. There's no handling and submission fees. There's no pressing issues. There's no return shipping charges. There's no determining market value. There's no risk in slabbing a book that might see a change (for better/worse) in market value during the time it's gone being graded. These are factors that play into the valuation of a book, including the benefit of utilizing CGC's service.

 

Buying raw is not in the same ballpark as buying slabbed. Quoting GPA in a raw listing doesn't seem to serve no other purpose than make your book like it has a greater value than it does.

 

If I go to a car lot and want to buy a used car, and the salesman is telling me how much the car I am looking at goes for "new" instead of the determined used Kelly Blue Book value - I'm not going to be very impressed with that sales tactic.

 

Overstreet is for raw. GPA is for slabbed. I don't think the two need to mix.

You're assuming the buyer is going to rush out and get the comic graded. I'm much more likely to crack a graded comic than submit an ungraded one. Once it's in my hands, just about any comic will soon be ungraded. So, this leaves me giving comics my own grade. Once I've decided a comic someone is selling is an 8.0, why don't I want to know what 8.0s go for, graded and ungraded? Again, there's basically no difference to me as once it's in my hands, my grade is the one that matters.

[shadroch]

I'm buying less and less from these boards these days. I suspect its a trend that will continue.

You should be buying OA anyway. Comics suck!!

 

Actually, I'm buying 1950s Vintage Marx Playsets, and 1950-1970 Vegas publications.

The herd hasn't caught on to these yet.

[shadroch]

Says who? "GPA is representative of the selling value of those books in those respective grades"

 

GPA is only a small portion of the reported sales of a book in a certain grade.

 

Ebay/Heritage/comiconnect and a few select others are not exactly who I look to for pricing information, especially my raw books.

 

 

How do you come up with your prices. I'm far too lazy to do the work myself, so I might as well just ask.

If a please, will help, consider yourself pleased.

[VintageComics]

Says who? "GPA is representative of the selling value of those books in those respective grades"

 

GPA is only a small portion of the reported sales of a book in a certain grade.

 

Ebay/Heritage/comiconnect and a few select others are not exactly who I look to for pricing information, especially my raw books.

 

 

Having gone through this discussion many times, I think you know what I meant to say.

 

Obviously there is not just one right way to price something. It's all going to depend on the type of market/books we're discussing.

 

I realize that GPA is not the "be all and end all" but it does provide a significant chunk of relevant sales data on commonly traded books.

 

I think most people are discussing commonly traded books in this discussion - ie. pricing a raw 9.8 Walking Dead #1 at CGC 9.8 GPA pricing or an Avengers #95 or something like that.

 

Obviously on rarer books it may provide clues as to valuation but you usually need a little more data than just a GPA point. I think you and I both agree that it's not the authority for pricing all books all the time.