Getoutandstayout Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, bc said: Not sure about significantly increasing in value. That would require a greater demand. Both have a had slow but steady increase in value over time. Let's take a look at each by some numbers: TOS#1 has a total of 186 Universal graded copies currently in the Census TTA#1 has a total of 144 Universal graded copies currently in the Census (22% less than TOS#1) For your specific grade ranges (3.0-4.5): TOS#1 has a total of 79 Universal graded copies currently in the Census (about 42% of the total of 186) TTA#1 has a total of 72 Universal graded copies currently in the Census (50% of the total of 144) (about 9% less than the total for TOS#1) From some GPA data: TOS#1 is going for around $661 / $720 / $1500 / $1009 in 3.0 / 3.5 / 4.0 / 4.5 (a total of 58 transactions recorded since 2002) TTA#1 is going for around $850 / $1100 / $921 / $1200 in 3.0 / 3.5 / 4.0 / 4.5 (a total of 47 transactions recorded since 2003, about 19% less than the TOS#1) From a cover appeal perspective you have Kirby vs Heck Both issues debuted in January 1959. So TTA#1 is a little less frequently slabbed & sold and tougher to find in higher grades. They both hover within the same respective price range at your grade levels - each has an outlier or two. The Kirby cover on TTA#1 might be enough to make that the clear decision for some if it came down to one OR the other. As mentioned earlier, without a pickup in demand, these won't be competing in value with their superhero peers. Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but realistically there is currently an adequate supply and demand ratio to cause a gradual increase in value. If demand would increase even a bit , these books would prove to potentially be in league with their superhero peers due to the lower supply. Gonna guess that many of these books are locked away in "black hole" collections (mine are) which implies that any significant value increase will likely only draw out a small fraction of the potential books to market. My vote would be to pick up the nicest looking TTA#1 you can get for your allotted amount if you have to pick just one. Grab the TOS#1 down the road, there's more of them available & brought to market. Then pray like the rest of us PHM junkies (I think we are called "hodlers" in stock market slang) for the demand to explode -bc Thanks for all that info. I know good investment is all about supply and demand. But how often do you go into a comic shop (or even to a show) and see either TTA #1 or TOS #1? I don't think I've ever seen one in a LCS - only at a big show or online. You'd think that the low supply and even a moderate demand would have made these issues comparable to, say, a Hulk #181 or GS X-Men #1 which have an overabundant supply. But it seems that regardless of supply, a solid investment comic boils solely down to demand these days. High demand/low supply (for example, Avengers #1) and you get sky-high prices; high demand/high supply (i.e. Hulk #181) and you still get high prices. The movies really are driving up the issues with first appearances, seemingly regardless of supply. Too bad they aren't doing Tales From The Crypt-like movies based on these PHM issues. bc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Getoutandstayout said: Thanks for all that info. I know good investment is all about supply and demand. But how often do you go into a comic shop (or even to a show) and see either TTA #1 or TOS #1? I don't think I've ever seen one in a LCS - only at a big show or online. You'd think that the low supply and even a moderate demand would have made these issues comparable to, say, a Hulk #181 or GS X-Men #1 which have an overabundant supply. But it seems that regardless of supply, a solid investment comic boils solely down to demand these days. High demand/low supply (for example, Avengers #1) and you get sky-high prices; high demand/high supply (i.e. Hulk #181) and you still get high prices. The movies really are driving up the issues with first appearances, seemingly regardless of supply. Too bad they aren't doing Tales From The Crypt-like movies based on these PHM issues. I've said it many times in this thread, if Disney (or whoever owns the rights to these) would do a 30 minute TV/streaming series based on the PHM characters, even cartoons, the demand would likely propel values. -bc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Larson Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 1 minute ago, bc said: I'm actually quite surprised that you don't have either of them given the breadth of your collection. I'll keep my eyes open for you both. MCS has a pretty clean TTA#1 in CGC 4.0 (CR-OW) for $1,325 or best offer up. They also have the other guys #1 at 3.0 in an auction currently at $466 with a few days to go: https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?ivitems=6891371#50885621 -bc I sold off most of my PHM books in the late 90s when I made a big push into the Golden Age. I had some BEAUTIFUL copies with killer pages, right around the VF range and let them go for market at the time, which was nothing compared to trying to get them back in that condition now. I HAVE reacquired maybe 35% of the PHM books but just grabbing them in whatever affordable grade I bump into them, no focus on condition of any kind, which is why you see me post decent copies and some rough ones. Thanks for the info, I'll look into those copies. It's lower on my priority list right now, but if the *right* copies show up, I'll make a move. bc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Just now, bc said: I've said it many times in this thread, if Disney (or whoever owns the rights to these) would do a 30 minute TV/streaming series based on the PHM characters, even cartoons, the demand would likely propel values. -bc No doubt. Bring back Moonstone, Monster Hunter and have him tackle the Thick-skinned variety. Dr. Droom can handle the ghost/weird/perspective stories. A new World Menace every week! NP_Gresham, bc and Jasonmorris1000000 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Moonstone was kind of lame, if memory serves. Droom gets em all! bc and NP_Gresham 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Larson Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, bc said: I've said it many times in this thread, if Disney (or whoever owns the rights to these) would do a 30 minute TV/streaming series based on the PHM characters, even cartoons, the demand would likely propel values. -bc Look what happened to the prices of TTA #13!!!! MCS has a CGC 7.5 with ow-w pages for $7415!!!! bc and KirbyJack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Frisco Larson said: Look what happened to the prices of TTA #13!!!! MCS has a CGC 7.5 with ow-w pages for $7415!!!! Can you imagine what it would be if a Baby Groot cartoon series was made -bc Edited July 11, 2020 by bc need to send this to the Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Larson Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Just now, bc said: Can you imagine what it would be if a Baby Groot cartoon series was made -bc I sold my 6.0ish copy to a friend for $80 I think. He still has it NP_Gresham, bc and KirbyJack 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Or think about Strange Tales 89. It has climbed into the Top 50 with very little mass media exposure. If FFF became the next Groot? Katie bar the door! bc, Frisco Larson and NP_Gresham 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bc Posted July 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2020 When I got introduced to the PHM genre in the mid-80’s, the allure of them coming before my favorite superheroes and the cool monsters drew me in. Required thank you to Nelson Dodd for the introduction. It wasn’t until I actually got a little older that I realized that Stan & Co. took some of the best aspects of the PHM genre and cultivated them to generate the success of the superheroes: 1. Morality tales - The endings weren’t macabre like the PCH titles. Most of the PHM stories are mini-morality tales about treating others equally no matter what they looked like, respect the planet, work as a team, cherish family, not to be greedy/selfish/hateful/etc. These values were utilized at the advent of the superheroes a.k.a., “with great power comes great responsibility”, the power of the FF family unit and showing mercy to your enemies. 2. Anti-Heroes - A good percentage of the monsters were actually anti-hero’s that have roots in classical literature (Frankenstein, Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde). Many were members of the Malevolent Monster Club here to save humanity from itself or other assaults. They have their early superhero equivalents in the Thing & Hulk. 3. Not everyone is a Popular Muscle-Man - Scrawny Scientists are everywhere, loners and outcasts are main characters. These turn into the Reed Richards / Tony Stark / Peter Parker / Bruce Banner characters to spark the dawn of the superhero era as well as many of their nemesis. Many of the characters in the PHM stories had a physical impairment, much like Donald Blake or Matt Murdock that they overcame to succeed. 4. “Common Man” theme – most of the characters were just normal working people that thru luck, intelligence, wisdom, teamwork, compassion or perseverance triumphed in the face of adversity. Just like Spidey, the FF, Donald Blake/Thor did early on. The characters seemed to be normal folks with the same quirks, flaws, family friction and issues that we experience every day. 5. Producing on a schedule with a team bullpen - A small group of talent cranked out the PHM issues which created a process which provided scalability into the burgeoning superhero titles. Think there is a thread in CG now about Kirby’s prolific output alone in the ‘60’s. When I put all those traits together with the associated talent of the team, I had a new appreciation for these books that drove me, nay compelled me, to complete the entire set and then some. I don’t think that we’d have the Marvel Universe without this short experiment that we all enjoy. Hopefully, other collectors will see that without these large characters sporting Kirby Monster Pants, we likely would not have any Marvel SA superheroes in spandex to enjoy. -bc NP_Gresham, creaturefan95, Jasonmorris1000000 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP_Gresham Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I always liked the ToS #1 cover -the Sci-Fi, and spacemen covers The TTA #1 always struck me as a kind of friendly smile that did not fit with the monster. That cover was actually re-done nicely in WWT #4 - the monster became more "monstrous". bc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bc Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2020 A few July books... -bc Jasonmorris1000000, The Commissioner, NP_Gresham and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Larson Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Very nice!!! bc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Hey Gang, A few pages back we talked about requesting a Competitive Registry Set for JIM 50-82. I just submitted the request on page 7 of this thread: Feel free to go on over and like the post as this was our group discussion. It won't happen until they approve it and unlock the Registry after the awards in a few weeks. -bc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou 14 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 3 hours ago, bc said: Hey Gang, A few pages back we talked about requesting a Competitive Registry Set for JIM 50-82. I just submitted the request on page 7 of this thread: Feel free to go on over and like the post as this was our group discussion. It won't happen until they approve it and unlock the Registry after the awards in a few weeks. -bc I just liked your post. Proud to be part of the PHM Gang!!! bc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Larson Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 4 hours ago, bc said: Hey Gang, A few pages back we talked about requesting a Competitive Registry Set for JIM 50-82. I just submitted the request on page 7 of this thread: Feel free to go on over and like the post as this was our group discussion. It won't happen until they approve it and unlock the Registry after the awards in a few weeks. -bc I just liked the post! Thanks again bc for submitting the set!!! bc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frisco Larson Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Just arrived today! bc and NP_Gresham 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rosland Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Strange Worlds #5. DR.X, bc and NP_Gresham 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...