AtlasFan Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Another great yellow-brown globby blobby monster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempusFugitivus Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Quick look at the back cover of the ST 68 shows basically no flaws at all. Evidently, the book has no stains as CGC will hammer even a virtually invisible one. There is "Marvel Chipping" all along the top and right edge, some bottom too. [Marvel books were supposedly cut with dull blades at the end of the day.] But CGC is very lax on this type of defect, evidently as a production flaw. There is spine wear with 4 large color breaking creases and some smaller ones. These should have knocked it down to a 7.5 by themselves. If this is your undercopy, I'd like to see your overcopy. Edited March 30, 2013 by TempusFugitivus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Quick look at the back cover of the ST 68 shows basically no flaws at all. Evidently, the book has no stains as CGC will hammer even a virtually invisible one. There is "Marvel Chipping" all along the top and right edge, some bottom too. [Marvel books were supposedly cut with dull blades at the end of the day.] But CGC is very lax on this type of defect, evidently as a production flaw. There is spine wear with 4 large color breaking creases and some smaller ones. These should have knocked it down to a 7.5 by themselves. If this is your undercopy, I'd like to see your overcopy. A John sighting ! ....what's up, amigo ? HAPPY EASTER......GOD BLESS.... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempusFugitivus Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Hi James, I'm always lurking in the Pre-Hero Marvel section. I've never understood why the Marvel Chipping gets such a pass. If I get time, I'll post two Pre-Heroes with extensive chipping..... but decent grades anyway. John PS: Happy Easter to you too. Edited March 30, 2013 by TempusFugitivus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I'm with you about chipping.....it significantly affects my max bid. I can live with pre Marvel tears, however. Some of these monster books are just so tough we have to make allowances. GOD BLESS... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u P.S. The aforementioned ST 68 is one of the tough ones. It was many years before I had even seen one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 But, the inconsistency of CGC is baffling. This ST 68 was my undercopy. I think my other copy is about 1/2 grade better. A 9.0?, I wish. Along the undercopy topic, for 20 years I had a nice copy of a JLA in the teens, thinking it was 8.0 at best. I pick up a nice slabbed copy in 7.5 that presented like a 9.0 so I decided to sell my raw. Trust me, in hand the 7.5 looked better. Anyway, the raw 'undercopy' came back as a 9.2. As a side note the happy buyer threw some more money my way. Nice gesture, you rarely see in today's marketplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysterio Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I looked at the back cover and it looks fine. But the issue is the front cover. A true 8.5 should not have that level of readily apparent defects in a scan, and one of our own (who I bought a book from and experienced his fine grading first hand) who had the book in hand puts it at a 6.5 to 7.0. From the scans I tend toward the 7.0. Speaking for myself, there are books that get gift grades in the realm of possibility (like a 6.0 getting a 6.5) and then there are the WTF grades like this one that are like 4 full levels off. I got one of those myself in my last sub of pre-hero. I bought a book hoping for a 5.0-5.5 and it came back a head scratching 7.0. Some would have been thrilled, and if I thought the book warranted it I would be too. But since the book is woefully overgraded IMO it is a little embarrassing. So I don't think he is showing seller remorse as much as shock that such an overgrade would happen. Thanks, Mysterio. You summed it up perfectly. No beef here with Sparkle, let them double their money on these two books, god bless them. But, the inconsistency of CGC is baffling. This ST 68 was my undercopy. I think my other copy is about 1/2 grade better. A 9.0?, I wish. When this happens it is like the "eBay NM" syndrome. We all know what "eBay NM" looks like, and buyer beware. Here, though, you get the blue label assurance. But if any of us tried to pass that book off as VF+ in a raw sale we'd get returns 90 times out of 100. That to me is the standard. The vast majority of the CGC books I get I agree with their assessment within 0.5 either way, but for whatever reason these head scratchers show up just frequently enough to keep us on our toes. I've got a scan of Jaster-mereel's 8.0 copy, and when my Internet gets restored I will post it (been limited to my iPhone for a few days). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster's Lair Comics Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Seeing that Strange Tales 68 reminded me of my first two submissions And, until recently, the only graded copy (a 6.0 just sold on heritage or comiclink) Both books I've had for a while, but wanted to get them graded. Planning on doing more when I get the time and money..... My 8.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasFan Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Here is my 68 & 69 - a couple of great pre-hero issues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Bronze age fan* Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Poor mans grades. [/img] [/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Big Apple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 What a beauty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin.J Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Big Apple Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICK STARR Posted March 31, 2013 Share Posted March 31, 2013 Big Apple Stunning! I did not know there are such high grade Big Apple PH's. Anyone else have any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster's Lair Comics Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Sweet book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICK STARR Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 A couple ST issues that seem HTF in higher grades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster's Lair Comics Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 ST 70 has been hard for me to find in grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 .....you can say that again. I think that title is the toughest of the four for pre '61.........GOD BLESS... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasFan Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 ST 70 is indeed a tough book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
october Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 ST 70 has been hard for me to find in grade. That issue is a bear. I have a 5.0 or so, and count myself lucky to even own that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
