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The umpire is calling strikes..................

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mysterio

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Yep, he sent out a bunch of messages inviting folks to participate in a different online comics discussion board, and since CGC is in the business of online comics discussion boards, that makes him a competitor, and that is against the rules.

 

Ok I will attempt to answer this.

 

CGC is not in the business of online comics discussion boards. CGC IS in the business of encapsulating books. One of the ways that they promote their encapsulation services is by having fans of their product gather in an area where they can discuss their product. The only reason that a sales thread is permitted is because they promote the value of their services by selling books that have already been graded by CGC or books that MAY be graded by CGC. Every chat area, is somehow geared directly or indirectly toward the idea to maintain interest in comic books with the hopes that people will see CGC encapsulation services as a valuable tool toward further maintaining interest in preserving the books. If another forum is going to discuss the competition in a positive light then that detracts from people potentially sending in books to CGC. The reasoning behind the strikes honestly makes sense to me. However the inconsistency does not.

 

When I see that Metropolis and SparkleCity chooses to use another service to grade such high profile books as Detective Comics 27 and other pre-Robin Tec's it leads me to believe that major dealers are lending credibility to other encapsulation companies by selling those books in the competitors' holder. If that is the case then should not their presence and advertisement of their event auctions also be limited? That should not be the case but it seems that this is where we are headed and that is truly saddening.

 

 

According to my registry stats I have 258 slabs. I have about 10 slabs that I have never entered into the registry and 2 slabs from a competing company that I want to hand off to CGC. I have a LOT of money invested in my personal collection currently encapsulated in CGC holders ranging from major keys to early GA superhero books. My collection is supposedly more expansive (I did not say expensive) than some other collections and I realize that my collection is dwarfed by the collections of other members. However we all share one thing in common. The majority of our collections are slabbed by CGC. We want to see the value in that collection be maintained. In order for that to happen CGC needs to continue to be a giant in the encapsulation business. I do not want CGC to fade away. That would not be good for the market nor the value of my collection. The current actions are leaving a poor taste in the mouths of many users and I fear it is driving them away. It may not be true, but the perception of a few decisions are driving people away. I do not want to see CGC ignore and dismiss the competition throwing a blanket over it in the hopes that it will disappear. I want CGC to embrace the competition, look at the innovations that the competition makes, look at areas that CGC can improve and make those improvements in order to demonstrate why CGC is the premier service in grading and encapsulation.

 

And I'd also like GPA (hi George) with CGC's blessing, include the 'other' sales results.

If a Tec '27 is being encapsulated, and then sold, to not include that sale is maddening.

 

If CGC is to be what they were - and wish to still be, they have to accept that these new guys are here to stay - and work with their customers, not drive them away.

 

Putting fingers in ears and shouting la-la-la never works.

 

Look at the pressing *spoon* - I have been with 'he who shall not be named' for 3 years. Up's, downs and arguments included. We are now firm friends, and I resent feeling like I am being forced to choose to keep my business with my friend, which MAY lead to me having to switch companies - or to use another pressing company to keep my books CGC if he is forced out.

 

I'll be sticking with JG for the record, but I simply won't slab ANYTHING until I see how the market plays out.

 

And that's where GPA comes in. CGC need to allow George to add the 'new' sales - I hope they already are going to do so.

 

This whole thing is becoming a fiasco tbh.

 

Wait? What?

Where did GPA say they have an exclusive deal with CGC to track only their slab sales?

Did I miss that or are you just :blahblah:???

 

If you see that GPA has direct links to the CGC census, and then add in the fact that CGC are being very territorial, then why would I NOT wonder if CGC would dissuade, or indeed disallow George to add the 'other' data.

 

Why aren't PGX sales on there?

 

I don't think it's a leap in the slightest to wonder aloud if CGC will 'forbid' George to add other companies data to GPA.

 

Would you be surprised if that happened?

 

I'm asking that it NOT happen, if it was intended to be so. I can't imagine how you would perceive that as :blahblah: - for me, it's very important information for myself going forward.

 

I'm not interested in arguing. This is far too important. :foryou:

 

 

As far as I know GPA and George are their own company?

 

GPA has no connection to CGC other than to report trackable sales.

 

GPA can track and post any sale they wish.

 

Why would CGC have control over GPA? To influence the market?

 

Don't know if anyone responded to this point later in the thread, but my understanding is that GPA cannot use any sales data they wish. I believe CLink claims the rights to the sales data from their site and don't let GPA use them.

 

True, but the broader point is valid. CGC is in the business of encapsulating books, not selling them. How or why CGC should limit the collection or dissemination of sales information of slabbed books on other venues is not clear. It would seem that a vibrant market in slabbed books with transparent sales data is good for CGC. The only limitation to GPA would be access to those data, which sites like Clink can and do regulate access to.

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GPA can scrape and data mine from the internet that you or I can see.

 

What they choose to publish is an entirely different thing.

 

 

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GPA can scrape and data mine from the internet that you or I can see.

 

What they choose to publish is an entirely different thing.

 

 

I thought that Clink had told George that he couldn't even do that off of their site.

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GPA can scrape and data mine from the internet that you or I can see.

 

What they choose to publish is an entirely different thing.

 

 

I thought that Clink had told George that he couldn't even do that off of their site.

 

How do you stop someone from recording numbers from a public site? You and I can do it.

 

 

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GPA can scrape and data mine from the internet that you or I can see.

 

What they choose to publish is an entirely different thing.

 

 

I thought that Clink had told George that he couldn't even do that off of their site.

 

How do you stop someone from recording numbers from a public site? You and I can do it.

 

 

I get that, but we aren't making historical data available nor charging money to access that data. They claim the info is proprietary. Others could speak to this debate better than I can, I just recall reading about it here.

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GPA can scrape and data mine from the internet that you or I can see.

 

What they choose to publish is an entirely different thing.

 

 

I thought that Clink had told George that he couldn't even do that off of their site.

 

How do you stop someone from recording numbers from a public site? You and I can do it.

 

 

Don't you have to sign something before you can view their auctions? I know that I can't even see what things went for there unless I put a bid on it. Heritage makes it available, unless stuff has changed, then Clink doesn't.

 

My guess is, there is something in there about not using the data.

 

I suppose you could copy the end of auction stuff if you do it quickly, but they seem to make things very difficult. ...which might be a good thing. If they allowed regular tracking I might actually bid more often lol

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GPA can scrape and data mine from the internet that you or I can see.

 

What they choose to publish is an entirely different thing.

 

 

I thought that Clink had told George that he couldn't even do that off of their site.

 

How do you stop someone from recording numbers from a public site? You and I can do it.

 

 

Sure - and you'd receive a nice lawsuit in return.

 

GPA has agreements in place with all the partners that supply the sales data - they don't just data mine various websites and call it a day.

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GPA can scrape and data mine from the internet that you or I can see.

 

What they choose to publish is an entirely different thing.

 

 

I thought that Clink had told George that he couldn't even do that off of their site.

 

How do you stop someone from recording numbers from a public site? You and I can do it.

 

 

Don't you have to sign something before you can view their auctions? I know that I can't even see what things went for there unless I put a bid on it. Heritage makes it available, unless stuff has changed, then Clink doesn't.

 

My guess is, there is something in there about not using the data.

 

I suppose you could copy the end of auction stuff if you do it quickly, but they seem to make things very difficult. ...which might be a good thing. If they allowed regular tracking I might actually bid more often lol

 

Comiclink wanted to pick & choose which numbers to report to GPA - that's why their sales data is not in there ...

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GPA can scrape and data mine from the internet that you or I can see.

 

What they choose to publish is an entirely different thing.

 

 

I thought that Clink had told George that he couldn't even do that off of their site.

 

How do you stop someone from recording numbers from a public site? You and I can do it.

 

 

Sure - and you'd receive a nice lawsuit in return.

 

GPA has agreements in place with all the partners that supply the sales data - they don't just data mine various websites and call it a day.

 

People record sales numbers from Clink all the time.

 

How is that any different?

 

I'm not talking about publishing them. Just recording them.

 

 

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GPA can scrape and data mine from the internet that you or I can see.

 

What they choose to publish is an entirely different thing.

 

 

I thought that Clink had told George that he couldn't even do that off of their site.

 

How do you stop someone from recording numbers from a public site? You and I can do it.

 

 

Don't you have to sign something before you can view their auctions? I know that I can't even see what things went for there unless I put a bid on it. Heritage makes it available, unless stuff has changed, then Clink doesn't.

 

My guess is, there is something in there about not using the data.

 

I suppose you could copy the end of auction stuff if you do it quickly, but they seem to make things very difficult. ...which might be a good thing. If they allowed regular tracking I might actually bid more often lol

 

Comiclink wanted to pick & choose which numbers to report to GPA - that's why their sales data is not in there ...

 

And yet other companies do pick and choose what they report to GPA.

 

 

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GPA can scrape and data mine from the internet that you or I can see.

 

What they choose to publish is an entirely different thing.

 

 

I thought that Clink had told George that he couldn't even do that off of their site.

 

How do you stop someone from recording numbers from a public site? You and I can do it.

 

 

Sure - and you'd receive a nice lawsuit in return.

 

GPA has agreements in place with all the partners that supply the sales data - they don't just data mine various websites and call it a day.

 

People record sales numbers from Clink all the time.

 

How is that any different?

 

I'm not talking about publishing them. Just recording them.

 

 

You mean you record them for your personal use? I'm sure that is fine. Maybe you should start an Ask Roy thread. I'm always looking for price guidance, I never know what to ask for something.

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Full disclosure, I don't personally record any Clink sales but I know many people that do. I just rely on my memory.

 

But I know for a fact that many people use spreadsheets, screen shots, etc.

 

 

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GPA can scrape and data mine from the internet that you or I can see.

 

What they choose to publish is an entirely different thing.

 

 

I thought that Clink had told George that he couldn't even do that off of their site.

 

How do you stop someone from recording numbers from a public site? You and I can do it.

 

 

Sure - and you'd receive a nice lawsuit in return.

 

GPA has agreements in place with all the partners that supply the sales data - they don't just data mine various websites and call it a day.

 

Never mind that CL's "sales data" is specious, at best.

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Full disclosure, I don't personally record any Clink sales but I know many people that do. I just rely on my memory.

 

But I know for a fact that many people use spreadsheets, screen shots, etc.

 

 

Personally, I prefer the old toss the book up in the air and if it sticks to the ceiling trick;)

 

doh! Wait, that was the grading tests trick..I forgot.

 

I just look at eBay sales, MAYBE GPA for the slabs. I don't collect many nosebleed books, so I'm pretty safe.

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I never could understand that...if you don't want to participate...can't you just ummm...

 

Take the site off your bookmarks and leave;)?

 

It adds to his mystique!

 

He had Mystique? They were dating?

 

I think I'm losing my mind, I'd better go get some things done, lol.

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