I just have to bring this up again

[Unca Ben]

It would be more interesting to here about his work instead of reading more inane threads.

 

Link #1

 

Link #2

 

 

A. KAVIRAJ: Kav is an artist, teacher, and biologist who lives in Sacramento, California.

He is the artist for The End of Paradise, Rapid City,Tales From The Future, and Dr Death vs The Zombie. He is the writer and artist for Dr. Death vs. The Vampire. E-mail: ddkaviraj@aol.com

 

Nice detective work.

 

I can't and won't take credit for it.

 

You guys are joking, right?

This isn't the same Kav, is it?

 

Given the story in Link #1 , "debunking the fakers", isn't this what our Kav was found to have done in a thread here? Faking his age on a story of buying old books, supposedly off the stands, that were later sold to a dealer?

 

 

 

[Prince Namor]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

Let's quote this book some more.

 

 

BOOM SHAKA LAKA!!

 

I got Steranko all riled up on Twitter one night.

[Kevin.J]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

ha ha so you don't think a *person_with_a_brain_the _size_of_a_peanut* should get the Church Action #1 signed by Stan Lee I take it....

 

Well a lot of the GA is ok as the creators are often no longer alive. I have to admit to not knowing this, but will CGC authenticate ANYTHING? Like if someone got Romita to sign FF1 would they authenticate the sig? I'm hoping John would decline, but in the event that a creator did actually sign something they didn't have a hand in I HOPE they have a policy for where the authenticators would NOT witness the signature.

 

This issue is obviously near and dear to me, NOTHING makes my stomach turn and blood boil more than Sig Series Pedigrees.... Well there is Slight Resto Pedigrees which is up there as well, color touching a 9.4 Ped to get a 9.6 Those people should be too, but oh wait then there wouldn't be any Old School GA dealers left

 

CGC SS is a witnessing program, not an authentication program. So those who have passed, and the signatures not witnessed by CGC, their signatures are not eligible for CGC SS.

 

I have a tough time saying one thing is ok and one thing isn't.

 

If I'm a boss and all I collect are HG pedigrees, and I take my gradson to meet STan Lee, if I have Stan sign my HG pedigree Avengers 1 because its my grandson's favorite movie and my favorite comic, am I the worst person ever? Because I want to remember this special moment, and for my grandson to remember it? Are there other options to have things signed? Sure there are, but its my favorite comic (WHICH I OWN) and I want it to be my grandson's favorite too. Is that ok with everyone? I don't care if the retail is great or the market is limited, I hope no one ever buys it, I hope my grandson keeps and passes it to his grandson. Do I deserve your judgment or harsh criticism?

 

Maybe you can tell it to the 10 year old grandson after his grandpa passes that his gramps was a fool for having his favorite comic signed by his lifelong hero and that he shared the special moment with his grandson. THe grandson can know the history behind the pedigree and still appreciate it, but he hopefully will value it more because of the added history of that time he went to go meet Stan Lee with his gramps.

 

There's certainly something to be said for investor value and market, and probably from a value perspective, maybe even a historical perspective, its not ultra wise to get your HG KEY signed, but from a human perspective, its not too hard for me to find a justification.

 

 

 

This is a specific example used to generalize a situation that is dependent on so many "1 in a million factors" as to not really be relevant in the context of the impact of Sig. Series a Pedigree on the comics collectible hobby. Ah, why I rarely post in general. ..... Here is my counter example that is equally specific with a myriad number of factors necessary that are so "alien in a ship comes to earth and gives you a million dollars" as to not be relevant to articulating a point in any discussion.

 

Lets say you were able to get the BSD who owns all the Church Timely's to sell them to just you. Lets also say that you had the money, probably 7 figures, to purchase those books. Hey maybe the Dentist was getting out of the Hobby and threw in the Church Action 1 and Allentown Tec 27 for good measure. Then lets say you a HUGE ROB LIEFELD fan and that Rob once saved your life because his art on X-force was so beautiful that it gave you hope that the human race was not hopeless and that you therefore did not want to commit suicide anymore and remain a part of it.

 

Lets continue this line of reasoning to the point where you take all those Church books and get Rob to sign the Cover of EVERYONE of them in big black marker so that his signature took up a full 1/3 of every Cover. You then submit them for Sig Series. Does anyone think that those events would NOT have a negative impact on the historical preservation of the medium of comics and the collectible hobby as a whole moving forward?

 

It would be worth it if instead of signing them, he just drew feet, that would make them so rare

[conditionfreak]

I have never killed a minority.

 

I have alerted Congress.

 

 

Easy Parkfro.

 

Um, that would be Comix4Jerks.

 

(maybe I can talk another into changing to a more appropriate name)

[Prince Namor]

Can you get an SS with an interior signature? Just wondering...

 

 

Yes, I have a couple.

I like that! You can have the old school feel of the ballpoint pen signature on the first page while not ruining the cover AND having it SS.

 

 

Some sigs are cool.

 

[/img]

 

I'm a fan of that book!

[Park]

It would be more interesting to here about his work instead of reading more inane threads.

 

Link #1

 

Link #2

 

 

A. KAVIRAJ: Kav is an artist, teacher, and biologist who lives in Sacramento, California.

He is the artist for The End of Paradise, Rapid City,Tales From The Future, and Dr Death vs The Zombie. He is the writer and artist for Dr. Death vs. The Vampire. E-mail: ddkaviraj@aol.com

 

Nice detective work.

 

I can't and won't take credit for it.

 

I will.

 

What am I taking credit for?

 

Does it matter?

 

And does not knowing ever stopped you before?

 

 

Nope and nope.

 

This is too easy.

[revat]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

ha ha so you don't think a *person_with_a_brain_the _size_of_a_peanut* should get the Church Action #1 signed by Stan Lee I take it....

 

Well a lot of the GA is ok as the creators are often no longer alive. I have to admit to not knowing this, but will CGC authenticate ANYTHING? Like if someone got Romita to sign FF1 would they authenticate the sig? I'm hoping John would decline, but in the event that a creator did actually sign something they didn't have a hand in I HOPE they have a policy for where the authenticators would NOT witness the signature.

 

This issue is obviously near and dear to me, NOTHING makes my stomach turn and blood boil more than Sig Series Pedigrees.... Well there is Slight Resto Pedigrees which is up there as well, color touching a 9.4 Ped to get a 9.6 Those people should be too, but oh wait then there wouldn't be any Old School GA dealers left

 

CGC SS is a witnessing program, not an authentication program. So those who have passed, and the signatures not witnessed by CGC, their signatures are not eligible for CGC SS.

 

I have a tough time saying one thing is ok and one thing isn't.

 

If I'm a boss and all I collect are HG pedigrees, and I take my gradson to meet STan Lee, if I have Stan sign my HG pedigree Avengers 1 because its my grandson's favorite movie and my favorite comic, am I the worst person ever? Because I want to remember this special moment, and for my grandson to remember it? Are there other options to have things signed? Sure there are, but its my favorite comic (WHICH I OWN) and I want it to be my grandson's favorite too. Is that ok with everyone? I don't care if the retail is great or the market is limited, I hope no one ever buys it, I hope my grandson keeps and passes it to his grandson. Do I deserve your judgment or harsh criticism?

 

Maybe you can tell it to the 10 year old grandson after his grandpa passes that his gramps was a fool for having his favorite comic signed by his lifelong hero and that he shared the special moment with his grandson. THe grandson can know the history behind the pedigree and still appreciate it, but he hopefully will value it more because of the added history of that time he went to go meet Stan Lee with his gramps.

 

There's certainly something to be said for investor value and market, and probably from a value perspective, maybe even a historical perspective, its not ultra wise to get your HG KEY signed, but from a human perspective, its not too hard for me to find a justification.

 

 

 

This is a specific example used to generalize a situation that is dependent on so many "1 in a million factors" as to not really be relevant in the context of the impact of Sig. Series a Pedigree on the comics collectible hobby. Ah, why I rarely post in general. ..... Here is my counter example that is equally specific with a myriad number of factors necessary that are so "alien in a ship comes to earth and gives you a million dollars" as to not be relevant to articulating a point in any discussion.

 

Lets say you were able to get the BSD who owns all the Church Timely's to sell them to just you. Lets also say that you had the money, probably 7 figures, to purchase those books. Hey maybe the Dentist was getting out of the Hobby and threw in the Church Action 1 and Allentown Tec 27 for good measure. Then lets say you a HUGE ROB LIEFELD fan and that Rob once saved your life because his art on X-force was so beautiful that it gave you hope that the human race was not hopeless and that you therefore did not want to commit suicide anymore and remain a part of it.

 

Lets continue this line of reasoning to the point where you take all those Church books and get Rob to sign the Cover of EVERYONE of them in big black marker so that his signature took up a full 1/3 of every Cover. You then submit them for Sig Series. Does anyone think that those events would NOT have a negative impact on the historical preservation of the medium of comics and the collectible hobby as a whole moving forward?

 

this is an extreme to the point where it barely makes sense to consider it.

 

Someone wanting to share a memory with a relative, and getting their favorite book signed by its creator are not so farfetched.

 

 

 

[slym2none]

Ah... the snowy Wednesday "Friday" thread...

 

 

 

 

-slym

[Logan510]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

Let's quote this book some more.

 

 

BOOM SHAKA LAKA!!

 

I got Steranko all riled up on Twitter one night.

 

Showing too much thigh again?

[Prince Namor]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

Let's quote this book some more.

 

 

BOOM SHAKA LAKA!!

 

I got Steranko all riled up on Twitter one night.

 

Showing too much thigh again?

 

A little more predictable than that. Arguing about Kirby.

[comix4fun]

I have never killed a minority.

 

I have alerted Congress.

 

 

Easy Parkfro.

 

Um, that would be Comix4Jerks.

 

(maybe I can talk another into changing to a more appropriate name)

 

like ConditionJerk?

[Prince Namor]

[RockMyAmadeus]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

Let's quote this book some more.

 

[jbud73]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

ha ha so you don't think a *person_with_a_brain_the _size_of_a_peanut* should get the Church Action #1 signed by Stan Lee I take it....

 

Well a lot of the GA is ok as the creators are often no longer alive. I have to admit to not knowing this, but will CGC authenticate ANYTHING? Like if someone got Romita to sign FF1 would they authenticate the sig? I'm hoping John would decline, but in the event that a creator did actually sign something they didn't have a hand in I HOPE they have a policy for where the authenticators would NOT witness the signature.

 

This issue is obviously near and dear to me, NOTHING makes my stomach turn and blood boil more than Sig Series Pedigrees.... Well there is Slight Resto Pedigrees which is up there as well, color touching a 9.4 Ped to get a 9.6 Those people should be too, but oh wait then there wouldn't be any Old School GA dealers left

 

CGC SS is a witnessing program, not an authentication program. So those who have passed, and the signatures not witnessed by CGC, their signatures are not eligible for CGC SS.

 

I have a tough time saying one thing is ok and one thing isn't.

 

If I'm a boss and all I collect are HG pedigrees, and I take my gradson to meet STan Lee, if I have Stan sign my HG pedigree Avengers 1 because its my grandson's favorite movie and my favorite comic, am I the worst person ever? Because I want to remember this special moment, and for my grandson to remember it? Are there other options to have things signed? Sure there are, but its my favorite comic (WHICH I OWN) and I want it to be my grandson's favorite too. Is that ok with everyone? I don't care if the retail is great or the market is limited, I hope no one ever buys it, I hope my grandson keeps and passes it to his grandson. Do I deserve your judgment or harsh criticism?

 

Maybe you can tell it to the 10 year old grandson after his grandpa passes that his gramps was a fool for having his favorite comic signed by his lifelong hero and that he shared the special moment with his grandson. THe grandson can know the history behind the pedigree and still appreciate it, but he hopefully will value it more because of the added history of that time he went to go meet Stan Lee with his gramps.

 

There's certainly something to be said for investor value and market, and probably from a value perspective, maybe even a historical perspective, its not ultra wise to get your HG KEY signed, but from a human perspective, its not too hard for me to find a justification.

 

 

 

This is a specific example used to generalize a situation that is dependent on so many "1 in a million factors" as to not really be relevant in the context of the impact of Sig. Series a Pedigree on the comics collectible hobby. Ah, why I rarely post in general. ..... Here is my counter example that is equally specific with a myriad number of factors necessary that are so "alien in a ship comes to earth and gives you a million dollars" as to not be relevant to articulating a point in any discussion.

 

Lets say you were able to get the BSD who owns all the Church Timely's to sell them to just you. Lets also say that you had the money, probably 7 figures, to purchase those books. Hey maybe the Dentist was getting out of the Hobby and threw in the Church Action 1 and Allentown Tec 27 for good measure. Then lets say you a HUGE ROB LIEFELD fan and that Rob once saved your life because his art on X-force was so beautiful that it gave you hope that the human race was not hopeless and that you therefore did not want to commit suicide anymore and remain a part of it.

 

Lets continue this line of reasoning to the point where you take all those Church books and get Rob to sign the Cover of EVERYONE of them in big black marker so that his signature took up a full 1/3 of every Cover. You then submit them for Sig Series. Does anyone think that those events would NOT have a negative impact on the historical preservation of the medium of comics and the collectible hobby as a whole moving forward?

 

this is an extreme to the point where it barely makes sense to consider it.

 

Someone wanting to share a memory with a relative, and getting their favorite book signed by its creator are not so farfetched.

 

 

 

Actually I think there are a number of far fetched aspects to your analogy, that my analogy was more far fetched is only relevant in so far as we agree BOTH of them have limited relevance to the discussion of the existence of sig series and its potential impact on the historical underpinnings of the Hobby.

 

Sig Series has its fans, I understand the attachment of the medium, meaning the comic book, to the creators. That nostalgia is important and also at the core of the hobby. I think a more apt analogy for Chris and the OA guys is the trend, which was short lived but had an impact on the hobby, of getting OA colored.

 

For those that are not aware, original comics art was traditionally pen and ink, meaning B&W. In the 80s or predominantly in that period I believe, certain collectors who possessed the art began having colorists fill in the line art. This obscured the artistry of the piece in some examples to a shattering degree. It was only in hindsight that the trend was resisted and the colored OA pieces are now seen as unfortunate pariahs in the OA hobby. Again this usually only occurs in hindsight and is largely irreversible. As an aside the monetary value of many of these colored pieces is almost universally less than their contemporary B&W examples, sometimes they are worth 1/4 of a similar artists work in B&W. A cautionary tale or irony in that many sig series comics are initiated to increase the value, or because of a perceived increase in value of the book in question.

 

Time will tell, but in 25 years maybe the comics hobby will be looking at Sig Series as an unfortunate period in the collecting timeline, irreversible with the Pedigree Books being the saddest casualties. Personally I hope I'm wrong but ......

[slym2none]

I wish I could get away with telling other people what to do with stuff they own & bought with their own money.

 

Of course, I would never really try...

 

 

 

 

-slym

[HarveySwick]

[Kevin.J]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

ha ha so you don't think a *person_with_a_brain_the _size_of_a_peanut* should get the Church Action #1 signed by Stan Lee I take it....

 

Well a lot of the GA is ok as the creators are often no longer alive. I have to admit to not knowing this, but will CGC authenticate ANYTHING? Like if someone got Romita to sign FF1 would they authenticate the sig? I'm hoping John would decline, but in the event that a creator did actually sign something they didn't have a hand in I HOPE they have a policy for where the authenticators would NOT witness the signature.

 

This issue is obviously near and dear to me, NOTHING makes my stomach turn and blood boil more than Sig Series Pedigrees.... Well there is Slight Resto Pedigrees which is up there as well, color touching a 9.4 Ped to get a 9.6 Those people should be too, but oh wait then there wouldn't be any Old School GA dealers left

 

CGC SS is a witnessing program, not an authentication program. So those who have passed, and the signatures not witnessed by CGC, their signatures are not eligible for CGC SS.

 

I have a tough time saying one thing is ok and one thing isn't.

 

If I'm a boss and all I collect are HG pedigrees, and I take my gradson to meet STan Lee, if I have Stan sign my HG pedigree Avengers 1 because its my grandson's favorite movie and my favorite comic, am I the worst person ever? Because I want to remember this special moment, and for my grandson to remember it? Are there other options to have things signed? Sure there are, but its my favorite comic (WHICH I OWN) and I want it to be my grandson's favorite too. Is that ok with everyone? I don't care if the retail is great or the market is limited, I hope no one ever buys it, I hope my grandson keeps and passes it to his grandson. Do I deserve your judgment or harsh criticism?

 

Maybe you can tell it to the 10 year old grandson after his grandpa passes that his gramps was a fool for having his favorite comic signed by his lifelong hero and that he shared the special moment with his grandson. THe grandson can know the history behind the pedigree and still appreciate it, but he hopefully will value it more because of the added history of that time he went to go meet Stan Lee with his gramps.

 

There's certainly something to be said for investor value and market, and probably from a value perspective, maybe even a historical perspective, its not ultra wise to get your HG KEY signed, but from a human perspective, its not too hard for me to find a justification.

 

 

 

This is a specific example used to generalize a situation that is dependent on so many "1 in a million factors" as to not really be relevant in the context of the impact of Sig. Series a Pedigree on the comics collectible hobby. Ah, why I rarely post in general. ..... Here is my counter example that is equally specific with a myriad number of factors necessary that are so "alien in a ship comes to earth and gives you a million dollars" as to not be relevant to articulating a point in any discussion.

 

Lets say you were able to get the BSD who owns all the Church Timely's to sell them to just you. Lets also say that you had the money, probably 7 figures, to purchase those books. Hey maybe the Dentist was getting out of the Hobby and threw in the Church Action 1 and Allentown Tec 27 for good measure. Then lets say you a HUGE ROB LIEFELD fan and that Rob once saved your life because his art on X-force was so beautiful that it gave you hope that the human race was not hopeless and that you therefore did not want to commit suicide anymore and remain a part of it.

 

Lets continue this line of reasoning to the point where you take all those Church books and get Rob to sign the Cover of EVERYONE of them in big black marker so that his signature took up a full 1/3 of every Cover. You then submit them for Sig Series. Does anyone think that those events would NOT have a negative impact on the historical preservation of the medium of comics and the collectible hobby as a whole moving forward?

 

this is an extreme to the point where it barely makes sense to consider it.

 

Someone wanting to share a memory with a relative, and getting their favorite book signed by its creator are not so farfetched.

 

 

 

Actually I think there are a number of far fetched aspects to your analogy, that my analogy was more far fetched is only relevant in so far as we agree BOTH of them have limited relevance to the discussion of the existence of sig series and its potential impact on the historical underpinnings of the Hobby.

 

Sig Series has its fans, I understand the attachment of the medium, meaning the comic book, to the creators. That nostalgia is important and also at the core of the hobby. I think a more apt analogy for Chris and the OA guys is the trend, which was short lived but had an impact on the hobby, of getting OA colored.

 

For those that are not aware, original comics art was traditionally pen and ink, meaning B&W. In the 80s or predominantly in that period I believe, certain collectors who possessed the art began having colorists fill in the line art. This obscured the artistry of the piece in some examples to a shattering degree. It was only in hindsight that the trend was resisted and the colored OA pieces are now seen as unfortunate pariahs in the OA hobby. Again this usually only occurs in hindsight and is largely irreversible. As an aside the monetary value of many of these colored pieces is almost universally less than their contemporary B&W examples, sometimes they are worth 1/4 of a similar artists work in B&W. A cautionary tale or irony in that many sig series comics are initiated to increase the value, or because of a perceived increase in value of the book in question.

 

Time will tell, but in 25 years maybe the comics hobby will be looking at Sig Series as an unfortunate period in the collecting timeline, irreversible with the Pedigree Books being the saddest casualties. Personally I hope I'm wrong but ......

 

Yeah, dont worry about it, you are wrong

[Prince Namor]

10 years from now CGC will have the technology to REMOVE signatures and make a book a blue label again.

Add on service!

[ChasingKingKirby]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

I just had a nerdgasm...

[BlowUpTheMoon]

 

I know I am a couple of days earlier, but this is for you!