I just have to bring this up again

[COI]

That was pretty epic.

 

I love you all equally. Let's play nice people. These are comic books we are speaking of, let's try to remember that. Nothing wrong with Pedigree's, SS, neither, or both. It's about the Superheroes, do it for them.

 

Spoon yourself, hippy.

[seanfingh]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

 

Ya know I usually don't have time to play key board warrior in general but today I'll make an exception. I tend to notice that sig series books are very rarely HG Silver or HG Key BA.

 

You want to throw ur cahonies out there and impress me with your devotion to the yellow label, well open up your wallet. Go buy the TC Avengers 4 which will run 15-17K and up. Then go and get it of sig series'd by Stan. At that level you better have a buyer that appreciates the signature as much as you do. If the resale is hurt by say 4-5K because of the signature does the appeal go down for the yellow label fanatics.

 

No thanks. I was just hoping this would annoy you, and mission accomplished. I get books SS'd because, for me, there is no greater appreciation of the art form than to have a nice copy of a book that I enjoy, handled and signed by the guy that created it. Call me crazy, but that is far more important to me than whether it is a Western Penn or a Winnipeg.

 

Clearly the ePeen thing is really what is important to you. How hilarious that the underlying "cost" of the comic is of tantamount importance to you. You certainly enjoy posting in absolutes. Much of what you say is unassailable, and most SS devotees agree wholeheartedly. But painting all Pedigrees with the same brush makes you sound like a foolish shoe-banging grandpa, stooping to pick up his fallen dentures while yelling for those damn kids to get off your yard.

 

What do I own, sonny? A bunch of comics signed by their creators. These are my comics, there are many like them, but these are mine. Go find and buy and save all the Pedigrees, Jbud Quixote, and godspeed.

 

Fingh you remind me of Roger from American Dad, in some ways. Good stuff.

 

From Wiki:

 

"Roger starts out on the series as a sensitive pushover who is often cheated, ridiculed and taken advantage of. Over progressive seasons however, the character has become increasingly depicted as cruel, callous, self-interested, devious, crafty and depraved."

 

Thanks, dude!

[HarveySwick]

That was pretty epic.

 

I love you all equally. Let's play nice people. These are comic books we are speaking of, let's try to remember that. Nothing wrong with Pedigree's, SS, neither, or both. It's about the Superheroes, do it for them.

 

Spoon yourself, hippy.

[stanley1883]

That was pretty epic.

 

I love you all equally. Let's play nice people. These are comic books we are speaking of, let's try to remember that. Nothing wrong with Pedigree's, SS, neither, or both. It's about the Superheroes, do it for them.

 

Spoon yourself, hippy.

 

lets hug it out

 

 

BTW whats a "retart" and what are you staking them for?

[jbud73]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

 

Ya know I usually don't have time to play key board warrior in general but today I'll make an exception. I tend to notice that sig series books are very rarely HG Silver or HG Key BA.

 

You want to throw ur cahonies out there and impress me with your devotion to the yellow label, well open up your wallet. Go buy the TC Avengers 4 which will run 15-17K and up. Then go and get it of sig series'd by Stan. At that level you better have a buyer that appreciates the signature as much as you do. If the resale is hurt by say 4-5K because of the signature does the appeal go down for the yellow label fanatics.

 

No thanks. I was just hoping this would annoy you, and mission accomplished. I get books SS'd because, for me, there is no greater appreciation of the art form than to have a nice copy of a book that I enjoy, handled and signed by the guy that created it. Call me crazy, but that is far more important to me than whether it is a Western Penn or a Winnipeg.

 

Clearly the ePeen thing is really what is important to you. How hilarious that the underlying "cost" of the comic is of tantamount importance to you. You certainly enjoy posting in absolutes. Much of what you say is unassailable, and most SS devotees agree wholeheartedly. But painting all Pedigrees with the same brush makes you sound like a foolish shoe-banging grandpa, stooping to pick up his fallen dentures while yelling for those damn kids to get off your yard.

 

What do I own, sonny? A bunch of comics signed by their creators. These are my comics, there are many like them, but these are mine. Go find and buy and save all the Pedigrees, Jbud Quixote, and godspeed.

 

And I was hoping that my comment would annoy you, mission accomplished. Yes the posts are in absolutes, having a Ped SS'd is also an absolute so the commentary was in kind and of course sparked the trench posting polarity to the contrary which may detract from the purpose of the statement I felt to be important - that in order to appreciate a comics as a piece of history one should consider acquisitions in terms of possession and not ownership. We bag our comics, board them box them and strive to preserve them. In that preservation we are seeking to keep a piece of our history, nostalgia in place, however most people fail to ascribe is that history is a shared experience and permeates more than the space in front of an individual nose.

 

If you feel that the cost is tantamount in my discourse here than I doubt you have read the overwhelming majority of my posts. Cost is a factor in the maturity of a collectibles base, it is a sometimes unfortunate reality and serves as an indicator, an again unfortunate one of the fervor of some people's ability to attain items to appreciate. However if the collectibles base is reliant on the financial pull then sooner or later you have 4 guys in a room with all the shiny baubles and really do not have an appreciation at all.

 

I happen to think Steranko's signature is one of the best in the hobby, I understand the compulsion to have him sign a copy of his creation. What I take issue with is having the compulsion of the individual overwhelm the potential ability to appreciate a significant copy of the medium in its original state because it was altered in an irreversible manner. Some people disagree, some people agree - history however has not been kind to manipulation and manufacturing of collectibles and seeing it repeat itself in a medium I care about does give me pause to rant about it.

[retrothecollector]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

 

Ya know I usually don't have time to play key board warrior in general but today I'll make an exception. I tend to notice that sig series books are very rarely HG Silver or HG Key BA.

 

You want to throw ur cahonies out there and impress me with your devotion to the yellow label, well open up your wallet. Go buy the TC Avengers 4 which will run 15-17K and up. Then go and get it of sig series'd by Stan. At that level you better have a buyer that appreciates the signature as much as you do. If the resale is hurt by say 4-5K because of the signature does the appeal go down for the yellow label fanatics.

 

No thanks. I was just hoping this would annoy you, and mission accomplished. I get books SS'd because, for me, there is no greater appreciation of the art form than to have a nice copy of a book that I enjoy, handled and signed by the guy that created it. Call me crazy, but that is far more important to me than whether it is a Western Penn or a Winnipeg.

 

Clearly the ePeen thing is really what is important to you. How hilarious that the underlying "cost" of the comic is of tantamount importance to you. You certainly enjoy posting in absolutes. Much of what you say is unassailable, and most SS devotees agree wholeheartedly. But painting all Pedigrees with the same brush makes you sound like a foolish shoe-banging grandpa, stooping to pick up his fallen dentures while yelling for those damn kids to get off your yard.

 

What do I own, sonny? A bunch of comics signed by their creators. These are my comics, there are many like them, but these are mine. Go find and buy and save all the Pedigrees, Jbud Quixote, and godspeed.

 

Fingh you remind me of Roger from American Dad, in some ways. Good stuff.

 

From Wiki:

 

"Roger starts out on the series as a sensitive pushover who is often cheated, ridiculed and taken advantage of. Over progressive seasons however, the character has become increasingly depicted as cruel, callous, self-interested, devious, crafty and depraved."

 

Thanks, dude!

Anytime.....Any day

 

 

[comix4fun]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

 

Ya know I usually don't have time to play key board warrior in general but today I'll make an exception. I tend to notice that sig series books are very rarely HG Silver or HG Key BA.

 

You want to throw ur cahonies out there and impress me with your devotion to the yellow label, well open up your wallet. Go buy the TC Avengers 4 which will run 15-17K and up. Then go and get it of sig series'd by Stan. At that level you better have a buyer that appreciates the signature as much as you do. If the resale is hurt by say 4-5K because of the signature does the appeal go down for the yellow label fanatics.

 

No thanks. I was just hoping this would annoy you, and mission accomplished. I get books SS'd because, for me, there is no greater appreciation of the art form than to have a nice copy of a book that I enjoy, handled and signed by the guy that created it. Call me crazy, but that is far more important to me than whether it is a Western Penn or a Winnipeg.

 

Clearly the ePeen thing is really what is important to you. How hilarious that the underlying "cost" of the comic is of tantamount importance to you. You certainly enjoy posting in absolutes. Much of what you say is unassailable, and most SS devotees agree wholeheartedly. But painting all Pedigrees with the same brush makes you sound like a foolish shoe-banging grandpa, stooping to pick up his fallen dentures while yelling for those damn kids to get off your yard.

 

What do I own, sonny? A bunch of comics signed by their creators. These are my comics, there are many like them, but these are mine. Go find and buy and save all the Pedigrees, Jbud Quixote, and godspeed.

 

And I was hoping that my comment would annoy you, mission accomplished. Yes the posts are in absolutes, having a Ped SS'd is also an absolute so the commentary was in kind and of course sparked the trench posting polarity to the contrary which may detract from the purpose of the statement I felt to be important - that in order to appreciate a comics as a piece of history one should consider acquisitions in terms of possession and not ownership. We bag our comics, board them box them and strive to preserve them. In that preservation we are seeking to keep a piece of our history, nostalgia in place, however most people fail to ascribe is that history is a shared experience and permeates more than the space in front of an individual nose.

 

If you feel that the cost is tantamount in my discourse here than I doubt you have read the overwhelming majority of my posts. Cost is a factor in the maturity of a collectibles base, it is a sometimes unfortunate reality and serves as an indicator, an again unfortunate one of the fervor of some people's ability to attain items to appreciate. However if the collectibles base is reliant on the financial pull then sooner or later you have 4 guys in a room with all the shiny baubles and really do not have an appreciation at all.

 

I happen to think Steranko's signature is one of the best in the hobby, I understand the compulsion to have him sign a copy of his creation. What I take issue with is having the compulsion of the individual overwhelm the potential ability to appreciate a significant copy of the medium in its original state because it was altered in an irreversible manner. Some people disagree, some people agree - history however has not been kind to manipulation and manufacturing of collectibles and seeing it repeat itself in a medium I care about does give me pause to rant about it.

 

 

You totally wrote that like Dr. Evil.

 

 

[RockMyAmadeus]

[COI]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

 

Ya know I usually don't have time to play key board warrior in general but today I'll make an exception. I tend to notice that sig series books are very rarely HG Silver or HG Key BA.

 

You want to throw ur cahonies out there and impress me with your devotion to the yellow label, well open up your wallet. Go buy the TC Avengers 4 which will run 15-17K and up. Then go and get it of sig series'd by Stan. At that level you better have a buyer that appreciates the signature as much as you do. If the resale is hurt by say 4-5K because of the signature does the appeal go down for the yellow label fanatics.

 

No thanks. I was just hoping this would annoy you, and mission accomplished. I get books SS'd because, for me, there is no greater appreciation of the art form than to have a nice copy of a book that I enjoy, handled and signed by the guy that created it. Call me crazy, but that is far more important to me than whether it is a Western Penn or a Winnipeg.

 

Clearly the ePeen thing is really what is important to you. How hilarious that the underlying "cost" of the comic is of tantamount importance to you. You certainly enjoy posting in absolutes. Much of what you say is unassailable, and most SS devotees agree wholeheartedly. But painting all Pedigrees with the same brush makes you sound like a foolish shoe-banging grandpa, stooping to pick up his fallen dentures while yelling for those damn kids to get off your yard.

 

What do I own, sonny? A bunch of comics signed by their creators. These are my comics, there are many like them, but these are mine. Go find and buy and save all the Pedigrees, Jbud Quixote, and godspeed.

 

And I was hoping that my comment would annoy you, mission accomplished. Yes the posts are in absolutes, having a Ped SS'd is also an absolute so the commentary was in kind and of course sparked the trench posting polarity to the contrary which may detract from the purpose of the statement I felt to be important - that in order to appreciate a comics as a piece of history one should consider acquisitions in terms of possession and not ownership. We bag our comics, board them box them and strive to preserve them. In that preservation we are seeking to keep a piece of our history, nostalgia in place, however most people fail to ascribe is that history is a shared experience and permeates more than the space in front of an individual nose.

 

If you feel that the cost is tantamount in my discourse here than I doubt you have read the overwhelming majority of my posts. Cost is a factor in the maturity of a collectibles base, it is a sometimes unfortunate reality and serves as an indicator, an again unfortunate one of the fervor of some people's ability to attain items to appreciate. However if the collectibles base is reliant on the financial pull then sooner or later you have 4 guys in a room with all the shiny baubles and really do not have an appreciation at all.

 

I happen to think Steranko's signature is one of the best in the hobby, I understand the compulsion to have him sign a copy of his creation. What I take issue with is having the compulsion of the individual overwhelm the potential ability to appreciate a significant copy of the medium in its original state because it was altered in an irreversible manner. Some people disagree, some people agree - history however has not been kind to manipulation and manufacturing of collectibles and seeing it repeat itself in a medium I care about does give me pause to rant about it.

 

As someone who collects neither pedigrees nor signatures at this time, I don't know who to agree with; you're both making very good points.

 

That said, I tend to lean towards Sean's point, in the context of a market that, for the sake of profit, has molested and mutilated pedigrees, and even made them vanish from existence. Within that context, I'll take collectors like Sean who do what they do because they love the books.

[COI]

That was pretty epic.

 

I love you all equally. Let's play nice people. These are comic books we are speaking of, let's try to remember that. Nothing wrong with Pedigree's, SS, neither, or both. It's about the Superheroes, do it for them.

 

Spoon yourself, hippy.

 

lets hug it out

 

 

BTW whats a "retart" and what are you staking them for?

 

I should probably get rid of that location. It was a "you had to be there" kinda thing. If I explain it, it'll lose the funny.

[stanley1883]

Ok so the argument was respect the history of the pedigree and don't get it signed as it tarnishes that book?

 

I honestly can see both sides of the argument, but I would personally argue that if you bought it with your money, do whatever the hell you want with it. I understand that there is some level of history involved and you're promoting the preservation of that history which is understandable. But again, it's a comic book, not the Declaration of Independence. Also I would think most collectors collect for themselves and not for others.

 

Anyway that was merely my , I'll just sit back and enjoy the show, I don't want to be accosted.

 

[HarveySwick]

[stanley1883]

That was pretty epic.

 

I love you all equally. Let's play nice people. These are comic books we are speaking of, let's try to remember that. Nothing wrong with Pedigree's, SS, neither, or both. It's about the Superheroes, do it for them.

 

Spoon yourself, hippy.

 

lets hug it out

 

 

BTW whats a "retart" and what are you staking them for?

 

I should probably get rid of that location. It was a "you had to be there" kinda thing. If I explain it, it'll lose the funny.

 

Totally get it, kinda the same with my location, a ton of inside the jokes that I share with myself.

 

Hope you didnt take offense as I certainly didn't mean any.

 

This is one heck of a thread going on here. We've got ourselves a topic!

[COI]

That was pretty epic.

 

I love you all equally. Let's play nice people. These are comic books we are speaking of, let's try to remember that. Nothing wrong with Pedigree's, SS, neither, or both. It's about the Superheroes, do it for them.

 

Spoon yourself, hippy.

 

lets hug it out

 

 

BTW whats a "retart" and what are you staking them for?

 

I should probably get rid of that location. It was a "you had to be there" kinda thing. If I explain it, it'll lose the funny.

 

Totally get it, kinda the same with my location, a ton of inside the jokes that I share with myself.

 

Hope you didnt take offense as I certainly didn't mean any.

 

This is one heck of a thread going on here. We've got ourselves a topic!

 

I'm on of the harder people to offend here. Just as long as you ship to Canada.

[jbud73]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

 

Ya know I usually don't have time to play key board warrior in general but today I'll make an exception. I tend to notice that sig series books are very rarely HG Silver or HG Key BA.

 

You want to throw ur cahonies out there and impress me with your devotion to the yellow label, well open up your wallet. Go buy the TC Avengers 4 which will run 15-17K and up. Then go and get it of sig series'd by Stan. At that level you better have a buyer that appreciates the signature as much as you do. If the resale is hurt by say 4-5K because of the signature does the appeal go down for the yellow label fanatics.

 

No thanks. I was just hoping this would annoy you, and mission accomplished. I get books SS'd because, for me, there is no greater appreciation of the art form than to have a nice copy of a book that I enjoy, handled and signed by the guy that created it. Call me crazy, but that is far more important to me than whether it is a Western Penn or a Winnipeg.

 

Clearly the ePeen thing is really what is important to you. How hilarious that the underlying "cost" of the comic is of tantamount importance to you. You certainly enjoy posting in absolutes. Much of what you say is unassailable, and most SS devotees agree wholeheartedly. But painting all Pedigrees with the same brush makes you sound like a foolish shoe-banging grandpa, stooping to pick up his fallen dentures while yelling for those damn kids to get off your yard.

 

What do I own, sonny? A bunch of comics signed by their creators. These are my comics, there are many like them, but these are mine. Go find and buy and save all the Pedigrees, Jbud Quixote, and godspeed.

 

And I was hoping that my comment would annoy you, mission accomplished. Yes the posts are in absolutes, having a Ped SS'd is also an absolute so the commentary was in kind and of course sparked the trench posting polarity to the contrary which may detract from the purpose of the statement I felt to be important - that in order to appreciate a comics as a piece of history one should consider acquisitions in terms of possession and not ownership. We bag our comics, board them box them and strive to preserve them. In that preservation we are seeking to keep a piece of our history, nostalgia in place, however most people fail to ascribe is that history is a shared experience and permeates more than the space in front of an individual nose.

 

If you feel that the cost is tantamount in my discourse here than I doubt you have read the overwhelming majority of my posts. Cost is a factor in the maturity of a collectibles base, it is a sometimes unfortunate reality and serves as an indicator, an again unfortunate one of the fervor of some people's ability to attain items to appreciate. However if the collectibles base is reliant on the financial pull then sooner or later you have 4 guys in a room with all the shiny baubles and really do not have an appreciation at all.

 

I happen to think Steranko's signature is one of the best in the hobby, I understand the compulsion to have him sign a copy of his creation. What I take issue with is having the compulsion of the individual overwhelm the potential ability to appreciate a significant copy of the medium in its original state because it was altered in an irreversible manner. Some people disagree, some people agree - history however has not been kind to manipulation and manufacturing of collectibles and seeing it repeat itself in a medium I care about does give me pause to rant about it.

 

 

You totally wrote that like Dr. Evil.

 

 

 

Chris and here I was hoping you would comment on my getting OA Colored analogy. But the Austin Powers reference is still (thumbs u

 

Sean didn't compare me to a shoe banging denture dropper did he? Hmm well I will be sure to be a little more careful at conventions so as to not get knocked over by a SS zealot running around for a witness like a late night TV lawyer running after an ambulance.

[seanfingh]

What I take issue with is having the compulsion of the individual overwhelm the potential ability to appreciate a significant copy of the medium in its original state because it was altered in an irreversible manner.

 

And this is an absolutely understandable position. In fact, I consider the opposite position to be fairly untenable. What I mean by that is that there are a number of books that I would never SS, either because of their provenance or some other reason. There are just too many other copies of everything that I collect available. I also understand that there are a lot of folks who slap signatures (typically Stan Lee) for no other reason than to get another couple hundred bucks out of the Greater Fool.

 

Realistically, no one is hurt by my Western Penn copy being signed, beautifully, by Jim Steranko. There are hundreds more 9.4, 9.6 and 9.8 copies for everyone to enjoy. My back always gets up on this subject, and writing in absolutes makes me even more vitriolic.

 

I have enjoyed you and your posts for years, and have no desire for you to write me off as an individual_without_enough_empathy, or at least I am hopeful for you not to write me off, even though I am an individual_without_enough_empathy (and also apparently an alien that speaks like Paul Lynde).

[seanfingh]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Western Penn, sucka

 

 

 

Ya know I usually don't have time to play key board warrior in general but today I'll make an exception. I tend to notice that sig series books are very rarely HG Silver or HG Key BA.

 

You want to throw ur cahonies out there and impress me with your devotion to the yellow label, well open up your wallet. Go buy the TC Avengers 4 which will run 15-17K and up. Then go and get it of sig series'd by Stan. At that level you better have a buyer that appreciates the signature as much as you do. If the resale is hurt by say 4-5K because of the signature does the appeal go down for the yellow label fanatics.

 

No thanks. I was just hoping this would annoy you, and mission accomplished. I get books SS'd because, for me, there is no greater appreciation of the art form than to have a nice copy of a book that I enjoy, handled and signed by the guy that created it. Call me crazy, but that is far more important to me than whether it is a Western Penn or a Winnipeg.

 

Clearly the ePeen thing is really what is important to you. How hilarious that the underlying "cost" of the comic is of tantamount importance to you. You certainly enjoy posting in absolutes. Much of what you say is unassailable, and most SS devotees agree wholeheartedly. But painting all Pedigrees with the same brush makes you sound like a foolish shoe-banging grandpa, stooping to pick up his fallen dentures while yelling for those damn kids to get off your yard.

 

What do I own, sonny? A bunch of comics signed by their creators. These are my comics, there are many like them, but these are mine. Go find and buy and save all the Pedigrees, Jbud Quixote, and godspeed.

 

And I was hoping that my comment would annoy you, mission accomplished. Yes the posts are in absolutes, having a Ped SS'd is also an absolute so the commentary was in kind and of course sparked the trench posting polarity to the contrary which may detract from the purpose of the statement I felt to be important - that in order to appreciate a comics as a piece of history one should consider acquisitions in terms of possession and not ownership. We bag our comics, board them box them and strive to preserve them. In that preservation we are seeking to keep a piece of our history, nostalgia in place, however most people fail to ascribe is that history is a shared experience and permeates more than the space in front of an individual nose.

 

If you feel that the cost is tantamount in my discourse here than I doubt you have read the overwhelming majority of my posts. Cost is a factor in the maturity of a collectibles base, it is a sometimes unfortunate reality and serves as an indicator, an again unfortunate one of the fervor of some people's ability to attain items to appreciate. However if the collectibles base is reliant on the financial pull then sooner or later you have 4 guys in a room with all the shiny baubles and really do not have an appreciation at all.

 

I happen to think Steranko's signature is one of the best in the hobby, I understand the compulsion to have him sign a copy of his creation. What I take issue with is having the compulsion of the individual overwhelm the potential ability to appreciate a significant copy of the medium in its original state because it was altered in an irreversible manner. Some people disagree, some people agree - history however has not been kind to manipulation and manufacturing of collectibles and seeing it repeat itself in a medium I care about does give me pause to rant about it.

 

 

You totally wrote that like Dr. Evil.

 

 

 

Chris and here I was hoping you would comment on my getting OA Colored analogy. But the Austin Powers reference is still (thumbs u

 

Sean didn't compare me to a shoe banging denture dropper did he? Hmm well I will be sure to be a little more careful at conventions so as to not get knocked over by a SS zealot running around for a witness like a late night TV lawyer running after an ambulance.

 

Now I really look like a .

[RockMyAmadeus]

 

 

 

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[HarveySwick]

 

 

 

" "

 

[retrothecollector]

What I take issue with is having the compulsion of the individual overwhelm the potential ability to appreciate a significant copy of the medium in its original state because it was altered in an irreversible manner.

 

And this is an absolutely understandable position. In fact, I consider the opposite position to be fairly untenable. What I mean by that is that there are a number of books that I would never SS, either because of their provenance or some other reason. There are just too many other copies of everything that I collect available. I also understand that there are a lot of folks who slap signatures (typically Stan Lee) for no other reason than to get another couple hundred bucks out of the Greater Fool.

 

Realistically, no one is hurt by my Western Penn copy being signed, beautifully, by Jim Steranko. There are hundreds more 9.4, 9.6 and 9.8 copies for everyone to enjoy. My back always gets up on this subject, and writing in absolutes makes me even more vitriolic.

 

I have enjoyed you and your posts for years, and have no desire for you to write me off as an individual_without_enough_empathy, or at least I am hopeful for you not to write me off, even though I am an individual_without_enough_empathy (and also apparently an alien that speaks like Paul Lynde).

Let it go.....man