The "NEW" Official This Score Needs Fixing Thread (July 2014)

[Guest]

This is the place to request that scores in the CGC Registry competitive sets be evaluated. You may have slight disagreements with scores, but some of those slight disagreements just boil down to a judgement call. What we're looking for here are clearly incorrect scoring examples. Please provide links, sales histories or any other data that may be helpful in making the appropriate changes to the score.

 

If the score simply has a “0” your request should go in the Set Expansion Thread or PM Gemma.

 

Here is the list we are working on. Anything posted after these is going to be added the the next list to start working on. Please be patient!

 

TMNT- Vol. 1 (DONE)

SGT. FURY Price Variants (DONE)

Mystery Tales (DONE)

Strange Tales (DONE)

Strange Tales 1-34 (SAME AS ABOVE?)

Octagon Editions (DONE)

Wolverine 102.5- (DONE)

X-Men V2 #1 20th anniversary edition (DONE)

Amazing Spider-man Annual #1 (DONE)

Avengers #55 (DONE)

East of West #1 "Variant Cover" (DONE)

Journey into Fear (DONE)

Pre-Robin tecs (DONE)

Batman: Harley Quinn #nn (DONE)

Marvel Feature 1 (1975) (DONE)

Runaways (2003) (DONE)

Avengers Annual #2 (DONE)

Captain America #117

Captain America #118

Daredevil #111

Fantastic Four #52

Incredible Hulk #102

Journey into Mystery Annual #1

Marvel Super-Heroes #18

Tales of Suspense #57

Tales to Astonish #60

Amazing Spider-man #39

Hero for Hire #1

Iron Man #1

Marvel Premiere #1

Ms Marvel #1

All Select Comics #2-#8

Captain America Comics #33, #37, #4

USA Comics from #6-14

Punch comics 12

Brave & the Bold 28

Walking Dead (various issues)

5 Ghosts Ashcan

Witches Tales - Harvey

Adventures into the Unknown

Adventures into Weird Worlds

Baffling Mysteries

Beware

Beyond

Black Cat Mystery

Blue Bolt/Ghostly Weird Tales

Chamber of Chills

Chilling Tales

Crime SuspenStories

Dark Mysteries

Eerie (Avon)

Forbidden Worlds

Haunt of Fear

Haunted Thrills

Horrific

Horrors

Mister Mystery

Mysteries

Mysterious Adventures

Mystery Tales

Panic

Shock SuspenStories

Spellbound

Spook

Strange Fantasy

Strange Mysteries

Startling Terror Tales

Strange Stories from Another World

Strange Suspense Stories

Strange Worlds

Suspense

Tales from the Crypt

Tales of Horror

Terrifying Tales

Thing (Charleton)

This Magazine is Haunted

Tomb of Terror (Harvey)

Vault of Horror

Voodoo

Web of Evil

Web of Mystery

Weird Chills

Weird Mysteries

Weird Terror

Weird Thrillers

Worlds of Fear

Weird Tales of the Future

Terrors of the Jungle

Witchcraft

DC Comics Presents

 

[Lookin4Newsstands]

Hi

 

Please consider these 3 comics for score fixing-

they're all related to Guardians of the Galaxy movie released Aug. 1, 2014, and are only going up in value:

 

1) From Annihilation: Conquest set:

Annihilation: Conquest #6

Note: This is the 1st appearance of the new Guardians of the Galaxy team (which will be lineup of characters from movie)

Rare, and recently sold for ~$200.

 

2) From Guardians of the Galaxy (2008) set:

Guardians of the Galaxy # 1

Note: 1st issue with new team (movie lineup)

Rare, and recently sold for ~$500.

 

3) From Guardians of the Galaxy (1990) set:

Guardians of the Galaxy #1

Note: 1st issue of the 1st series.

Recently sold for ~$175.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

[mschmidt]

Hi

 

Please consider these 3 comics for score fixing-

they're all related to Guardians of the Galaxy movie released Aug. 1, 2014, and are only going up in value:

 

1) From Annihilation: Conquest set:

Annihilation: Conquest #6

Note: This is the 1st appearance of the new Guardians of the Galaxy team (which will be lineup of characters from movie)

Rare, and recently sold for ~$200.

 

2) From Guardians of the Galaxy (2008) set:

Guardians of the Galaxy # 1

Note: 1st issue with new team (movie lineup)

Rare, and recently sold for ~$500.

 

3) From Guardians of the Galaxy (1990) set:

Guardians of the Galaxy #1

Note: 1st issue of the 1st series.

Recently sold for ~$175.

 

Thanks!

 

 

None of these books are rare.

 

They're seeing an uptick in pricing due to pre-movie hype, but it doesn't make sense to constantly re-score the registry sets based on these movie price bubbles.

[N/A]

It doesn't make any sense to base any registry points on current FMV.

[Supa-Bad-Mofo]

This is the place to request that scores in the CGC Registry competitive sets be evaluated. You may have slight disagreements with scores, but some of those slight disagreements just boil down to a judgement call. What we're looking for here are clearly incorrect scoring examples. Please provide links, sales histories or any other data that may be helpful in making the appropriate changes to the score.

 

If the score simply has a “0” your request should go in the Set Expansion Thread or PM me.

 

Here is the list I am working on. Anything posted after these is going to be added the the next list to start working on. Please be patient!

 

TMNT- Vol. 1

[font:Century Gothic]SGT. FURY Price Variants[/font]

Mystery Tales

Strange Tales

Strange Tales 1-34

Lady Death

Wolverine 102.5-

X-Men V2 #1 20th anniversary edition

Journey into Fear

Terrors of the Jungle

Witchcraft

Pre-Robin tecs

Batman: Harley Quinn (Specifically #nn)

Marvel Feature 1 (1975)

East of West #1 "Variant Cover"

Amazing Spider-man Annual #1 - increase by 25%

Avengers #55 - triple in value

Avengers Annual #2 (phenomenally tough black cover) - increase by 50%

Captain America #117 (has been undervalued for a long time) - triple in value

Daredevil #111 - double in value

Fantastic Four #52 (far more difficult than #48) - double in value

Incredible Hulk #102 (badly undervalued in relation to the other 1968 series starters and the other numbers immediately after) - 25% increase at least

Journey into Mystery Annual #1 - double in value and also add this issue to the Journey into Mystery set (it's only in the Marvel Annuals set at the moment)

Marvel Super-Heroes #18 - triple in value

Tales of Suspense #57 - double in value

Tales to Astonish #60 - increase by 25%

Amazing Spider-man #39 - increase by 50%

Captain America #118 - double in value

Hero for Hire #1 - double in value

Iron Man #1 - increase by 25%

Marvel Premiere #1 - increase by 50%

Ms Marvel #1 - triple in value

All Select Comics #2-#8

Captain America Comics #33, #37, #4

USA Comics from #6-14

Runaways (2003)- Issue #1 $4, 10-18 $3, 2-9 $3,

Punch comics 12

 

Sooooo happy to see this!!! Here are a few links to some recent ebay sales for issues 133 and 134 to help you out. Notice the July sale price on the 9.2 133 exceeded the 9.4 sale in June. I'm not sure about 141 and 142. They are so rare I would imagine they would bring double if not triple or even more...but that is just a guess! I'm not even sure if there is any GPA data on them. Are you planning on looking at points for the Sgt. Fury set (especially after issue 100) as well, or is that not on the list yet? If anyone has any GPA numbers they could throw at this request, feel free to chime in! Thanks again for looking at this!!!

 

Ebay Sale 6/19/14---Sgt. Fury 134 Variant CGC 9.4

 

Ebay Sale 6/19/14---Sgt. Fury 133 Variant CGC 9.4

 

Ebay Sale 7/13/14---Sgt. Fury 133 Variant CGC 9.2

[Supa-Bad-Mofo]

It doesn't make any sense to base any registry points on current FMV.

 

So...should we base the points on whether there is a signature or not?

[N/A]

It doesn't make any sense to base any registry points on current FMV.

 

So...should we base the points on whether there is a signature or not?

 

No.

[Gotham Kid]

It doesn't make any sense to base any registry points on current FMV.

 

Taking speculative pricing aside, FMV for the most part is reflective of a book's importance as well as its scarcity, availability and desirability.

[cheetah]

--- Pre-Code Horror (increase of 25% to 100% depending on title/issue)

Adventures into the Unknown (DONE)

Adventures into Weird Worlds (DONE)

Baffling Mysteries (DONE)

Beware (DONE)

Beyond (DONE)

Black Cat Mystery (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) (DONE)

Blue Bolt/Ghostly Weird Tales (DONE)

Chamber of Chills (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) (DONE)

Chilling Tales (DONE)

Crime SuspenStories (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) (DONE)

Dark Mysteries (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) (DONE)

Eerie (Avon) (DONE)

Forbidden Worlds(Current Scores Seem Appropriate) (DONE)

Haunt of Fear (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) (DONE)

Haunted Thrills (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) (DONE)

Horrific (DONE)

Horrors (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) (DONE)

Mister Mystery (DONE)

Mysteries (DONE)

Mysterious Adventures (DONE)

Mystery Tales (DONE)

Panic (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) (DONE)

Shock SuspenStories (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) DONE

Spellbound (DONE)

Spook (DONE)

Strange Fantasy (DONE)

Strange Mysteries (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) DONE

Startling Terror Tales Skip- Need to Come Back to this one.

Strange Stories from Another World (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) DONE

Strange Suspense Stories (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) DONE

Strange Worlds Current Scores Seem Appropriate) DONE

Suspense (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) DONE

Tales from the Crypt (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) DONE

Tales of Horror DONE

Terrifying Tales (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) DONE

Thing (Charleton) (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) DONE

This Magazine is Haunted (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) DONE

Tomb of Terror (Harvey) DONE

Vault of Horror (Current Scores Seem Appropriate) Done

Voodoo DONE

Web of Evil DONE

Web of Mystery (Current Scores Seem Appropriate)

Weird Chills DONE

Weird Mysteries DONE

Weird Terror DONE

Weird Thrillers DONE

Witches Tales- I did the Eerie- Scores Seem Appropriate

 

I've got to say that this was disappointing. Even the titles that got a bump averaged only 10-20 percent. Walking Dead 100 is worth more than nearly everyone of the graded books in these titles.

 

And why do the Eerie Witches Tales? They aren't PCH. The Harvey title is PCH.

[Gotham Kid]

 

I've got to say that this was disappointing. Even the titles that got a bump averaged only 10-20 percent. Walking Dead 100 is worth more than nearly everyone of the graded books in these titles.

 

 

And I'd take any one of them over Walking Garbage any day of the week and twice on week-ends.

 

Problem may be that WD scores are just too high.

[Supa-Bad-Mofo]

It doesn't make any sense to base any registry points on current FMV.

 

Taking speculative pricing aside, FMV for the most part is reflective of a book's importance as well as its scarcity, availability and desirability.

 

Thank you, Peter!

 

+1 (thumbs u

 

[N/A]

It doesn't make any sense to base any registry points on current FMV.

 

Taking speculative pricing aside, FMV for the most part is reflective of a book's importance as well as its scarcity, availability and desirability.

 

But we are in a speculative market.

 

[N/A]

It doesn't make any sense to base any registry points on current FMV.

 

Taking speculative pricing aside, FMV for the most part is reflective of a book's importance as well as its scarcity, availability and desirability.

 

Thank you, Peter!

 

+1 (thumbs u

 

Then what tool would you use to calculate FMV and eliminate speculation?

[N/A]

 

I've got to say that this was disappointing. Even the titles that got a bump averaged only 10-20 percent. Walking Dead 100 is worth more than nearly everyone of the graded books in these titles.

 

 

And I'd take any one of them over Walking Garbage any day of the week and twice on week-ends.

 

Problem may be that WD scores are just too high.

 

Probably. (thumbs u

 

Of course it outsells most everything else mentioned.

[cheetah]

 

I've got to say that this was disappointing. Even the titles that got a bump averaged only 10-20 percent. Walking Dead 100 is worth more than nearly everyone of the graded books in these titles.

 

 

And I'd take any one of them over Walking Garbage any day of the week and twice on week-ends.

 

Problem may be that WD scores are just too high.

 

Probably. (thumbs u

 

Of course it outsells most everything else mentioned.

 

Every modern comic in the top 200 out sells the entire remaining population every PCH book ever printed. They are also significantly easier to find.

[Waylander]

It doesn't make any sense to base any registry points on current FMV.

 

Taking speculative pricing aside, FMV for the most part is reflective of a book's importance as well as its scarcity, availability and desirability.

 

Thank you, Peter!

 

+1 (thumbs u

 

Then what tool would you use to calculate FMV and eliminate speculation?

 

The question should be not what tool, but who. As soon as something is printed OSPG or sold it is in effect out of date.

[N/A]

 

I've got to say that this was disappointing. Even the titles that got a bump averaged only 10-20 percent. Walking Dead 100 is worth more than nearly everyone of the graded books in these titles.

 

 

And I'd take any one of them over Walking Garbage any day of the week and twice on week-ends.

 

Problem may be that WD scores are just too high.

 

Probably. (thumbs u

 

Of course it outsells most everything else mentioned.

 

Every modern comic in the top 200 out sells the entire remaining population every PCH book ever printed. They are also significantly easier to find.

 

So you want to base it on scarcity?

[Supa-Bad-Mofo]

 

I've got to say that this was disappointing. Even the titles that got a bump averaged only 10-20 percent. Walking Dead 100 is worth more than nearly everyone of the graded books in these titles.

 

 

And I'd take any one of them over Walking Garbage any day of the week and twice on week-ends.

 

Problem may be that WD scores are just too high.

 

Probably. (thumbs u

 

Of course it outsells most everything else mentioned.

 

Every modern comic in the top 200 out sells the entire remaining population every PCH book ever printed. They are also significantly easier to find.

 

So you want to base it on scarcity?

 

I believe it should be considered...in some way.

[N/A]

This happens every time in a discussion like this. Lots of loose ideas and pointing out "errors". Round and round we go.

[cheetah]

 

I've got to say that this was disappointing. Even the titles that got a bump averaged only 10-20 percent. Walking Dead 100 is worth more than nearly everyone of the graded books in these titles.

 

 

And I'd take any one of them over Walking Garbage any day of the week and twice on week-ends.

 

Problem may be that WD scores are just too high.

 

Probably. (thumbs u

 

Of course it outsells most everything else mentioned.

 

Every modern comic in the top 200 out sells the entire remaining population every PCH book ever printed. They are also significantly easier to find.

 

So you want to base it on scarcity?

 

So, have you turned into Mr. Contrarian, Jeff? I've spoken about equity in the registry many times. Folks who ask repeatedly for a raise in points for a book they overpaid for while other titles get ignored. Marvel books have more than double in value in the last five years. Some have been doubled and then doubled again. Other titles have no one asking for increases as prices go up and the end up disproprtionately low. PCH titles have never seen a revision since the registry was started. Pre-hero Marvels have gotten a couple of boosts and it seemed appropriate that PCH books be reviewed in light of the increasingly strong PCH market that has been generated by the cover-centric, high-grade collecting environment that CGC has created. Obviously, the comic experts at CGC who now run the registry don't agree with me so we have one-year old comics worth 800 points and 65-year old comics worth 75. Or the first issue of EC Comics Tales from the Crypt worth 18,000 points in 9.8 while the first issue of Marvel's Tales to Astonish is worth 50,400 points in 9.8. One is a part of comic book history that has been reprinted multiple times and is seen as symbolic of the cutting edge of pop culture in the 1950s. The other was a minor title of a struggling publisher. One went out of publication because Congress felt it was damaging the brains of American youth. The other changed formats when Stan Lee realized there was money to be made on superheroes.