vaillant Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Although I don’t have it, I confirm the Trick or Treat pages are in the original Carl Barks library edition. Starting around 1960, italian authors (especially Luciano Bottaro) loved to juxtapose Hazel to Goofy, often with exhilarating results. Basically, the idea from which stemmed what would have become a long series of stories, is that Goofy do not believe in magic, and denies Hazel the very fact that she exists. Believe me, they are something! This one in particular (story involves rocket science), Goofy and Hazel are stranded on the Moon, Hazel offers to return them to earth, and still Goofy does not believe in magic). I think I almost died laughing when I read this as a kid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Starting around 1960, italian authors (especially Luciano Bottaro) loved to juxtapose Hazel to Goofy, often with exhilarating results. Basically, the idea from which stemmed what would have become a long series of stories, is that Goofy do not believe in magic, and denies Hazel the very fact that she exists. Believe me, they are something! What a clever concept! I can definitely this working while staying true to the original characters. Thanks for posting the different images. (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaillant Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 The most exhilarating are the dialogues. I recall I laughed to tears when I read those stories. Bottaro's Goofy is an extremization of his "one way" reasoning, and Hazel's replies are brilliant. I’d love to be able to let you read something of those… Maybe I could rescue that issue and translate some pages… Here’s the author, Luciano Bottaro (left) with my friend Luca Boschi, which works for Disney. He died a few years ago and is missed a lot. His latest Goofy/Hazel story, from 2005: (his style became heavily simplified in the last years, much like Mike Mignola on Hellboy, to make an example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tb Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Thanks for posting these, vaillant. Like just about anyone who grew up in Germany or Scandinavia in the 1970s I was a big fan of Bottaro's stories. I suspect we did not get to see the most esoteric Italian stories as they probably were censored. A few years ago, I got to meet a collector who befriended Bottaro and - after years of trying - eventually got him to sell some of his original artwork, including an incredible page from the late 1950s where Scrooge is chopping off the nose of one of the Beagle Boys with a sword. It's unbelievable to me that all the treasures of Italian Disney art art completely unknown to US collectors, but, then again, it has some advantages, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 This book seems to be really hard to find in high grade. This one is a lowly 7.0 but it was cheap and my horde continues to grow! Another of the greats! Do you have copies of the missing pages? You know I remember seeing those once, I think, but I do not have copies. Can you, or anyone, post them? Thanks! My copies are buried so I cannot post. We are remodeling and my best books (and copies of this) are buried in the back of a cabinet with boxes stacked in front. Wish I could get to them as I would like to post my copy of 26. Sorry. I would love to see them and your copy of 26 but I know how it is. My comics aren't buried by anything other than other comic boxes and I still have a hard time finding what I'm looking for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 This book seems to be really hard to find in high grade. This one is a lowly 7.0 but it was cheap and my horde continues to grow! Another of the greats! Do you have copies of the missing pages? You know I remember seeing those once, I think, but I do not have copies. Can you, or anyone, post them? Thanks! They are in the CB Library hardcover (I think) and, iirc, in a standalone Gladstone reprint devoted to that issue. Don't have scans--or the books, for that matter!--handy. Splash Panel 1st page Published by Dell DD #26 Splash Panel 1st page Published by Gladstone in CBL Donald Duck Adventures #21 They are right behind my desk on a bookshelf. I knew the missing pages sounded familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaillant Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Thanks for posting these, vaillant. Like just about anyone who grew up in Germany or Scandinavia in the 1970s I was a big fan of Bottaro's stories. I suspect we did not get to see the most esoteric Italian stories as they probably were censored. A few years ago, I got to meet a collector who befriended Bottaro and - after years of trying - eventually got him to sell some of his original artwork, including an incredible page from the late 1950s where Scrooge is chopping off the nose of one of the Beagle Boys with a sword. It's unbelievable to me that all the treasures of Italian Disney art art completely unknown to US collectors, but, then again, it has some advantages, too. I recall the story! It‘s one of those weird time-travel stories where Scrooge and/or the Beagles find other versions of themselves in different times and places. A sort of Fantastic Four #5 without Doctor Doom's time platform. I can’t see the advantages, besides of course the fact we don’t have a horde of US collectors all after our original art… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Mann Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Always liked this cover plus it has the "Peter and the Wolf" story from the movie "Make Mine Music". mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50YrsCollctngCmcs Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Thanks for posting these, vaillant. Like just about anyone who grew up in Germany or Scandinavia in the 1970s I was a big fan of Bottaro's stories. I suspect we did not get to see the most esoteric Italian stories as they probably were censored. A few years ago, I got to meet a collector who befriended Bottaro and - after years of trying - eventually got him to sell some of his original artwork, including an incredible page from the late 1950s where Scrooge is chopping off the nose of one of the Beagle Boys with a sword. It's unbelievable to me that all the treasures of Italian Disney art art completely unknown to US collectors, but, then again, it has some advantages, too. As a US fan growing up in the seventies there was really no way to find out about the Italian books unless you travelled in Europe. This was out of the question for any but the wealthiest Americans in those days so you would only hear about the occasional European book, no history, no reprints, almost nothing. Even today you could easily grow up a US Barks fan and have only the slightest notion of the European work. The first time I went to Europe in 1982 I was astounded by the stores devoted solely to comic albums that I came across in Paris. I also loved that there were small cinemas that only showed Disney cartoons. While I was in Italy I did not come across any such stores though I suspected they existed but I just did not find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tb Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Thanks for posting these, vaillant. Like just about anyone who grew up in Germany or Scandinavia in the 1970s I was a big fan of Bottaro's stories. I suspect we did not get to see the most esoteric Italian stories as they probably were censored. A few years ago, I got to meet a collector who befriended Bottaro and - after years of trying - eventually got him to sell some of his original artwork, including an incredible page from the late 1950s where Scrooge is chopping off the nose of one of the Beagle Boys with a sword. It's unbelievable to me that all the treasures of Italian Disney art art completely unknown to US collectors, but, then again, it has some advantages, too. I recall the story! It‘s one of those weird time-travel stories where Scrooge and/or the Beagles find other versions of themselves in different times and places. A sort of Fantastic Four #5 without Doctor Doom's time platform. I can’t see the advantages, besides of course the fact we don’t have a horde of US collectors all after our original art… Here's a link to the Bottaro page. Do you know if it actually was published? I remember many of these wonderful stories with Witch Hazel, Scrooge, Goofy etc. meeting each other, but not this particular one. I must have read hundreds of great stories by Italian artists like Scarpa, Campi, and even the tie-together stories by Perego (who I understand was quite a character with a highly unusual background?) bring back fond memories when I see them. ---- Re. the "Trick or Treat" splash panel mentioned in another post: The organizers of the upcoming pan-European Carl Barks exhibition have approached me and asked to loan the original art for this page, along with my other Barks comic book pages. I really hope the project, which is very ambitious, pans out so a new generation of European fans will be able to see his comic book art in person. Since the early Barks originals are so rare, part of my motivation behind collecting them has always been to make a sampling of them available to museum exhibitions. Paradoxically, the oil paintings are more accessible and certainly more common than the comic book pages from Barks' peak years. And, to be completely honest, I find the latter more impressive and certainly more historically interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Thanks for sharing the link. Definitely more exuberant duck action than is normally allowed in the American version. I love the name of the web site: Home for Ducks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciorac Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Sorry for the cross post, but these belong here. And I'm pretty excited to have them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffman_Comics Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Very sharp FC 178 William. Underrated key IMHO. As to the FC #9, does this mean I can look forward to your undercopy becoming available shortly ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-Gun Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Sorry for the cross post, but these belong here. And I'm pretty excited to have them Hey I like those too. I found two copies of 178 but still no #9. :golfclap:Way to go Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Those are both very cool but that #178 just pops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciorac Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Very sharp FC 178 William. Underrated key IMHO. As to the FC #9, does this mean I can look forward to your undercopy becoming available shortly ? It would have to be a coverless to be an undercopy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciorac Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Those are both very cool but that #178 just pops! It is quite fresh in hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Those are both very cool but that #178 just pops! It is quite fresh in hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffman_Comics Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Very sharp FC 178 William. Underrated key IMHO. As to the FC #9, does this mean I can look forward to your undercopy becoming available shortly ? It would have to be a coverless to be an undercopy Sounds good to me!! It'll fit right in with the rest of my drek!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaillant Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Sorry for the cross post, but these belong here. And I'm pretty excited to have them Golly, two landmarks in a single post! I always loved the new version Daan Jippes did for Donald Duck #250 – and I guess I’ll have to be content with that… ) Here's a link to the Bottaro page. Do you know if it actually was published? I remember many of these wonderful stories with Witch Hazel, Scrooge, Goofy etc. meeting each other, but not this particular one. I must have read hundreds of great stories by Italian artists like Scarpa, Campi, and even the tie-together stories by Perego (who I understand was quite a character with a highly unusual background?) bring back fond memories when I see them. O-mi-gosh! Your friend has the original art for the splash page of "Uncle Scrooge and the Golden Bunch"! I’d love to have a page from that story! I am not an original art collector, but Scarpa is my favorite, and I’d love to have a piece from his work. Not sure which story you are referring to. All the Goofy/Hazel stories were published, it may be that 1986 story got canceled. I recall Bottaro suspended his collaboration with Disney in the 1980s. I got acquainted with his daughter once, and I am also in touch with Carpi‘s son. Scarpa’s daughter lives in Spain, where they moved with their family before he died. So you have the OA for the Trick or Treat original, censored first page? That’s a treat as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
