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Chip Cataldo

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It got way too complicated after that. You completed a trade with a book you didn't have.

I'm not sure what you mean here. I had the book in my possession before making the trade and sending it to him.

 

Just cancel the trade and both of you return each other's books unless the unhappy side suggests a fair, alternative resolution. 2c

I suggested one, and he accepted. I then fulfilled my end of it.

 

I realize that the easiest solution at this point is for each of us to return the books. However, with the last part being agreed and me keeping my end of it, why does he now get to back out?

 

That's what I'm asking about, really. The solution is essentially a straight selling agreement. I agreed to buy his books at his price and my book back at his agreed-to price. I paid him. He's trying to back out. Why would that be allowed?

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It got way too complicated after that. You completed a trade with a book you didn't have.

I'm not sure what you mean here. I had the book in my possession before making the trade and sending it to him.

 

Just cancel the trade and both of you return each other's books unless the unhappy side suggests a fair, alternative resolution. 2c

I suggested one, and he accepted. I then fulfilled my end of it.

 

I realize that the easiest solution at this point is for each of us to return the books. However, with the last part being agreed and me keeping my end of it, why does he now get to back out?

 

That's what I'm asking about, really. The solution is essentially a straight selling agreement. I agreed to buy his books at his price and my book back at his agreed-to price. I paid him. He's trying to back out. Why would that be allowed?

 

While I'm inclined to agree with you that there was a second deal, which in theory he is bound to follow through on, still I would also recommend just returning to the start position.

 

My reading is that other guy was unhappy with the first trade and then started to think how to restore the balance, it was indeed getting complicated, and I can believe that he could have confused himself over values. Its at least plausible and by returning each others' books you save yourself a lot of drama and retain some goodwill with the other guy. 2c

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Book you didn't have - meaning a book you both assumed was one grade, but ended up being a lower grade due to a flaw that you didn't see. You had the book in your possession, not the other side. If this were a in hand transaction where the other party coukd review the book personally, you'd have an argument. But it wasn't and he had to rely on your representations.

 

It's similar (to a lesser degree) to you trading a book and when the other party receives it he notices that there is minir color touch that was undisclosed because you missed it.

 

That's what I mean when I say you traded a book you didn't have. A NM- is different than a F+. Or a VF is different than a F-.

 

Regarding the alternatives, you suggested them after the other party wanted to cancel the deal. Maybe they felt pressured to accept your proposal after you threw out several proposals. That's why I would just return the books and walk away from the whole thing unless the unhappy side is the one to suggest a resolution. Maybe I'm completely wrong? I'm just offering up an opinion. (shrug)

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It got way too complicated after that. You completed a trade with a book you didn't have.

I'm not sure what you mean here. I had the book in my possession before making the trade and sending it to him.

 

Just cancel the trade and both of you return each other's books unless the unhappy side suggests a fair, alternative resolution. 2c

I suggested one, and he accepted. I then fulfilled my end of it.

 

I realize that the easiest solution at this point is for each of us to return the books. However, with the last part being agreed and me keeping my end of it, why does he now get to back out?

 

That's what I'm asking about, really. The solution is essentially a straight selling agreement. I agreed to buy his books at his price and my book back at his agreed-to price. I paid him. He's trying to back out. Why would that be allowed?

 

The quickest solution would be to return his books, he returns your book, and him refund your $$. If the deal was struck as you are stating it why should he be able to back out of it?

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Chip Cataldo

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Regarding the alternatives, you suggested them after the other party wanted to cancel the deal. Maybe they felt pressured to accept your proposal after you threw out several proposals. That's why I would just return the books and walk away from the whole thing unless the unhappy side is the one to suggest a resolution. Maybe I'm completely wrong? I'm just offering up an opinion. (shrug)

No, I'm not suggesting you're wrong. :foryou: I just didn't understand what you were trying to say.

 

I agree that returning all books and walking away is the easiest thing. It just seemed wrong that he agreed to something and then is able to back out of it. Take an extra day or two to decide, fine...but don't agree and then back out especially when I've already taken care of my end.

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Chip Cataldo

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If the deal was struck as you are stating it why should he be able to back out of it?

This is what I'm asking the community. Regardless of the previous trade and dissatisfaction, he did agree to the sale of his books and purchase of them by me. It wouldn't be allowed for him to back out if he was offering his books up for sale and I purchased them, so why should it be allowed here when an agreement was agreed upon and met by the buyer?

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Sounds like you both made mistakes. You messed up on the condition of the book and he messed up with his final acceptance.

 

Think of it like this. He could have demanded you come up with another book in the grade you said the book was in. I think if he then came to the boards and complained he would get the same advice you are getting now. Just everyone return the books and move on.

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Keep it simple.

Whether one party is wrong or not.

Both of you return the books.

Wash your hands of the entire thing.

Go outside and enjoy the sunshine.

 

 

+1

 

To much going back and forth with numbers and specualtion of price. Both parties return the books and forget it. No one is going to be happy here.

 

 

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Okay, I'm starting to have an issue with a transaction that I need advice on. I'll try to make this brief and include every detail about the deal so each side is accurately represented.

 

Here is the sequence of events :

 

- A boardie and I agreed to a trade. I would send him a higher-grade book and he would send me several (7) books in trade. The book I was trading was acquired on the boards.

 

- He sent scans on most of the books (I accepted his grading on the ones not shown) and I sent front & back scans of my book along with 14 close-up pictures of every corner, staple and spine area as well as answering every question he had about the book.

 

- We agreed to do the trade. I received his books and was happy. He received my book and noticed rust on the underside of the bottom staple that had migrated to the cover. We had both missed it in the initial grade, and it wasn't noted nor noticed when I acquired the book initially on the boards. He said in his opinion the book was two grade points less and pointed me to an eBay auction he'd just lost out on that ended at around 15% of the trade value in our transaction.

 

- He asked that I either return all his books and he return mine, or I only keep a a few books that would equal his "new" perceived value and send back the rest.

 

- I offered a solution to get the book graded by CGC (I would pay for that) and if the book did come back at his grading I'd either refund him the difference in GPA between the original grade agreement and the actual and he keep it, or I'd refund the GPA difference in addition to purchasing the book back at GPA if he didn't want it. He declined.

 

- I then offered another solution where I'd pay him FMV for his books and he return my book. He sent a list with individual prices and then said he'd like to keep the book in addition to me paying him $XXX for the books I was keeping. He valued the book at about 30% of our trade value for the purposes of the solution.

 

- I countered with him returning the book and me paying the number he just quoted me plus the 15% value of my book in the auction he previously brought to my attention when he re-graded the book.

 

- He agreed to these terms, I immediately sent him the cash and asked that he send my book back.

 

- It is a day later and he is now trying to reneg on that deal and wants to refund my money, for me to send him his books back with him sending my book back. He said he "messed up his math" on the valuation of his books and that he "checked his Paypal and got dinged quite a bit from fees." The fees on the transaction total $18.27.

 

- His initial valuation of his books was a bit high based on completed eBay sales, but I agreed to it regardless. I didn't mention that to him.

 

- His last statement was that he hoped I'd "see how one-sided this deal is."

 

I believe our deal to be concluded. I want to keep the books we agreed on and get my book back, which was also agreed on. I feel like I have been completely accommodating to what he wanted (several times) and the last iteration of the deal was almost like a straight board sale where I was buying his books plus my own book back.

 

I'm not upset, I'm just annoyed that it seems like he is now trying to change things after terms were agreed upon and my end of the deal met. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks.

 

...this is why I'm reluctant to do internet trades... so many variables. If it were me, and I made a mistake on my assessment, I would still honor it, especially if the money had been received. I understand the rust issue.... it's a deal breaker for some folks, especially with migration. If the other guy/gal is strictly a collector, while you are a dealer, the dynamic is sometimes awkward. The collector's attachment will often be stronger than that of a dealer.....making these type of trades difficult to consummate. GOD BLESS...

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus) (thumbs u

 

..... I'd undo this deal in favor of maintaining a future relationship.

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Balham's Finest

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Hang on a second.

 

If Chip had proposed a partial refund, and the other party had accepted it, and then the next day the other party said "hang on, I got my maths wrong, I'm not happy any more" would you still think that they should just go back to sending each others' books back?

 

The transaction was a balls-up, that's clear. But it sounds like a resolution was agreed on, and Chip actioned his end. In this particular situation I don't agree that the other party should get out of the new deal just because they're unhappy and it's somehow "neater" to revert to the start position.

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too much confusion has been thrown into this deal with different numbers, proposals and such, and I don't think an accurate price on the value of the book with the rusted staple is going to be agreed on. just giving my opinion here, they can do what they want, but I'd just send everything back and start from scratch.

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