letsgrumble Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 22 hours ago, Bronty said: Oh man you are trolling so hard! FF 1-275 is much better overall than spidey 1-275, but the fact is the runs are better and worse at different points in time. Spidey 1-40 is better, FF40-100 destroys spidey. 100-200 are a draw, but FF 200-275 is so much better than spidey. The thing I don't like about Spidey 40 up is there is so much of a soap opera element. FF has family squabbles as part of the storyline, but its a sideshow and that's all. Peripheral. With spidey its like in the late 60s the book really becomes about Peter Parker's love/career interests. Blech. I don't think its a coincidence that they called his second title, Peter Parker TSS, as that's where Marvel's head was at. The book should have Peter elements, even significant ones but jeez louise I don't want more pages about his girlfriends then about what's happening in what should be the main story. The plot hooks of love, jealousy, and heartbreak in the lives of Peter Parker and Johnny Storm derive from the romance comics in the 1950s, many of which Stan wrote. Spidey and FF had a soap opera element that would thread each issue, and I think that's why Marvel had such a faithful readership in the 1960s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 (edited) I'm not disputing any of that. But I feel like a bored housewife trying to read Spider-Man - the pendulum swung too far towards soap after ditto left. I very much feel the same way about the xmen Edited June 29, 2017 by Bronty letsgrumble 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnboxingTreasures Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 ALL FF needs is a great writer and artist to do an arc that lasts more than 5 issues. Throw in some Campbell variants and you have yourself a top 10 book again. Mercury Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey 62 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 4 hours ago, NamesJay said: ALL FF needs is a great writer and artist to do an arc that lasts more than 5 issues. Throw in some Campbell variants and you have yourself a top 10 book again. Couldn't that work for almost any sagging book? The trick is to find the right writer and artist at the right time, telling the right story. If that was easy, almost every book would be fighting for the top spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Cool Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 FF 4 just does not translate well into todays entertainment whereas Spidey and X-Men were so far ahead of their time that they are entirely relevant today. Young adults with super-powers and social issues is something adults and teens can get behind. They tried to make the characters in FF younger and since it felt unnatural it failed. I'm liking the idea of concentrating on the FF kids since a modern story won't feel as forced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fashion PB and J Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 The sad part is that so much of what is happening in the movies today stems directly from the Fantastic Four title. Guardians of the Galaxy, Fantastic Four by way of the annhialation saga, by way of annhiulus. That team started out in the comics to defeat the leader of the Negative Zone. (All FF Characters) Avengers - Infinity War. Kirby created The Watcher in FF who was the first known of the celestial beings, Galactus (FF), Surfer (FF), Warlock (FF). The Fantastic Four is the foundation of the marvel universe, but we haven't had a creative mind working on this title in 30 years. Want to talk about a waste of a franchise? What happened to the FF you say? Wolverine, and Movies. jimjum12 and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fashion PB and J Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 @Architecht I no longer have a custom title.. Sad days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Aldred Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1Cool said: FF 4 just does not translate well into todays entertainment whereas Spidey and X-Men were so far ahead of their time that they are entirely relevant today It was much too sensible and sophisticated, admittedly. The Thing letting himself be swallowed by a giant sea monster (imaginatively called Giganto, just in case you missed that it was very, very large indeed) to take it out with a nuke that he's got strapped to his back. Quality storytelling. Edited June 30, 2017 by Ken Aldred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Architecht Posted June 30, 2017 Administrator Share Posted June 30, 2017 1 hour ago, The Resurrection said: @Architecht I no longer have a custom title.. Sad days. What was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lizards2 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 29 minutes ago, Architecht said: 2 hours ago, The Resurrection said: @Architecht I no longer have a custom title.. Sad days. What was it? Pat's a Dork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgrumble Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 World's Greatest Comic Magazine... NO MORE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 (edited) I have the solution bring the Fantastic Four back, but kill off Reed and have Victor Von Doom as the new leader! This will be the new modern spin with their enemy leading them. We will even have Sue fall in love with Doom which will cause conflict with Ben and the Human Torch. One thing that made the Fantastic Four was they had the number one villian. When reading FF I always thought Doctor Doom was much more interesting than Reed Richards. Edited June 30, 2017 by ComicConnoisseur letsgrumble 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComicConnoisseur Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 On 6/28/2017 at 0:50 PM, Bronty said: The thing I don't like about Spidey 40 up is there is so much of a soap opera element. FF has family squabbles as part of the storyline, but its a sideshow and that's all. Peripheral. With spidey its like in the late 60s the book really becomes about Peter Parker's love/career interests. Blech. I don't think its a coincidence that they called his second title, Peter Parker TSS, as that's where Marvel's head was at. The book should have Peter elements, even significant ones but jeez louise I don't want more pages about his girlfriends then about what's happening in what should be the main story. You are right. I went back and read some of those Spideys #40 to #100 a few years back. I was surprised at how much of a soap opera they were with Peter with Gwen and Mary Jane. Spidey #1-#40 are the peak, but the series gets real good again with Gerry Conway #123 to #149. That run there is better than #41 to #100. Larryw7 and 1950's war comics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, ComicConnoisseur said: Spidey #1-#40 are the peak, but the series gets real good again with Gerry Conway #123 to #149. That run there is better than #41 to #100. 100% agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fashion PB and J Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Architecht said: What was it? 2 hours ago, lizards2 said: Pat's a Dork You spelled pimp wrong lizards2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fashion PB and J Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Architecht said: What was it? Something about you giving me a ban card and me losing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porcupine48 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 1 minute ago, The Resurrection said: Something about you giving me a ban card and me losing it and it said ghaaah.. lizards2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I'm a 70s kid but I never liked FF. Not then not now. I liked some of the stories. Dr Doom is by far THE rising star of the title. Probably as ultimate a villain as Darth Vader is in my mind. But the team is very campy and very.. well.. old However, I do agree that FF #1 used to be THE Marvel book to own in the 80s. Even while I wasn't a fan, I could only dream of owning that book back then, not AF15, not X-Men 1. FF 1 was the grail. Certainly doesn't feel that way anymore ComicConnoisseur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unca Ben Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 What happened to the Fantastic Four? Kirby left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnboxingTreasures Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Portray Reed accurately as a super genius. Portray Sue as the hottest female on the planett. Make The Thing on equal ground as Hulk in terms of strength. Portray Johnny as a younger Tony Stark. It's all about writing. "Where there is a good story, people will come." Art is of course important too, sure, but really -- just nail the story and things will come into place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
