WONDER WOMAN 2 directed by Patty Jenkins (11/1/19) 3 3

[theCapraAegagrus]

12 minutes ago, D84 said:

Honestly, if I don't like the movie, I won't watch the special features. 

Sounds like my older brother. He won't watch the BvS UE because he doesn't like the Theatrical Cut. His wife wants to see it, though.

[D84]

32 minutes ago, Angel of Death said:

Sounds like my older brother. He won't watch the BvS UE because he doesn't like the Theatrical Cut. His wife wants to see it, though.

I thought special features was behind the scenes stuff.

I'll give an alternate cut of a movie I didn't like a chance.

[Bosco685]

1 hour ago, D84 said:

Honestly, if I don't like the movie, I won't watch the special features. 

I get it. The main film dragging can kill any excitement.

But like with Thor: The Dark World bluray having the Marvel One-Shot 'All Hail the King'. Someone gave me the bluray as a gift and due to that one feature I can't let myself dump it.

[D84]

10 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

I get it. The main film dragging can kill any excitement.

But like with Thor: The Dark World bluray having the Marvel One-Shot 'All Hail the King'. Someone gave me the bluray as a gift and due to that one feature I can't let myself dump it.

I guess I'll check the special features later and see if anything is worth while.

[Artboy99]

late to this party but I have finally seen Wonder Woman 1984.

Rather disappointing film overall. I went into viewing it with low expectations and I still didn't like it.

The first film had so many amazing scenes/moments, this second film had none. 

[kav]

1 hour ago, Artboy99 said:

late to this party but I have finally seen Wonder Woman 1984.

Rather disappointing film overall. I went into viewing it with low expectations and I still didn't like it.

The first film had so many amazing scenes/moments, this second film had none. 

Ending was so dumb-guy monologuing for like 15 minutes.  Not the stuff of drama-

[paperheart]

3 hours ago, Artboy99 said:

late to this party but I have finally seen Wonder Woman 1984.

Rather disappointing film overall. I went into viewing it with low expectations and I still didn't like it.

The first film had so many amazing scenes/moments, this second film had none. 

but have you seen the Snyder cut/Blu-ray version with extended scenes of Cheetah at her hairdresser...

[kav]

55 minutes ago, paperheart said:

but have you seen the Snyder cut/Blu-ray version with extended scenes of Cheetah at her hairdresser...

Oh god is there an extended monologuing scene??

[Bosco685]

4 hours ago, kav said:

Oh god is there an extended monologuing scene??

Probably not. That's him being his regular Ronald McDonald self.

[kav]

If Hollywood would only contact me i could make every movie a blockbuster.
"Nah this scene is stupid boring and predicatable-let's try this instead-"

[Bosco685]

5 minutes ago, kav said:

If Hollywood would only contact me i could make every movie a blockbuster.
"Nah this scene is stupid boring and predicatable-let's try this instead-"

Just think how many writers, directors and actors that had strong potential get turned around from an industry that just chews them up.

So what you do get at times are survivors that learned how to stay employed. That's not always the best atmosphere for creativity.

[kav]

11 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Just think how many writers, directors and actors that had strong potential get turned around from an industry that just chews them up.

So what you do get at times are survivors that learned how to stay employed. That's not always the best atmosphere for creativity.

Perfect example-Last Action Hero.  The original script was fresh and punchy.  Then Arnold wanted changes.  Producers wanted changes.  Everyone stuck their grubby mitts into the thing until it was a ridiculous mess.

[Bosco685]

52 minutes ago, kav said:

Perfect example-Last Action Hero.  The original script was fresh and punchy.  Then Arnold wanted changes.  Producers wanted changes.  Everyone stuck their grubby mitts into the thing until it was a ridiculous mess.

The Incredible Hulk: Feige already had a --script prepared and ready to go written by Zak Penn (Last Action Hero, X2, Suspect Zero). But then they selected Edward Norton who was such a 'super-fan' he convinced Feige he should make changes to improve the story. And within less than a month he delivers a draft.

The Truth Behind Edward Norton’s Hulk Screenplay

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When Norton came in to meet about starring as Banner in April, the film had already been greenlighted and there were just three months before shooting was scheduled to begin, just after Independence Day. But Norton had well-established (if underground) writing experience and strong ideas about how to separate the film from any confusion over its connection to the 2003 Ang Lee version by casting it in a more distinct, starting-over vein like “Batman Begins” or “Casino Royale.”

 

So Norton’s initial deal included payment not just for his acting services but for his writing talents too, with his draft contractually stipulated to be turned around in less than a month. As it turned out, Norton delayed work on another screenplay job to do “Hulk,” and he continues to tweak the --script as principal photography hits its halfway point outside Toronto.

 

Norton has done a lot of uncredited writing work over the last few years, for movies including Frida and Red Dragon. The Times claims that Norton actually showed up on set “with new --script pages not only for his character but for Dr. Hannibal Lecter as well.” Rumor has it that director Brett Ratner fought with Norton over the issue.

The rest is history.

Edited April 6, 2021 by Bosco685

[D84]

23 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

The Incredible Hulk: Feige already had a --script prepared and ready to go written by Zack Penn (Last Action Hero, X2, Suspect Zero). But then they selected Edward Norton who was such a 'super-fan' he convinced Feige he should make changes to improve the story. And within less than a month he delivers a draft.

The Truth Behind Edward Norton’s Hulk Screenplay

The rest is history.

Hollywood hasn't been about creativity in years, possibly decades. Just pump out the same, tired drivel that people will go see because it's the best of what's readily available. 

Most people, before the lockdown, didn't have time to hunt for the good stuff.

[Bosco685]

45 minutes ago, kav said:

Perfect example-Last Action Hero.  The original script was fresh and punchy.  Then Arnold wanted changes.  Producers wanted changes.  Everyone stuck their grubby mitts into the thing until it was a ridiculous mess.

 

33 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

The Incredible Hulk: Feige already had a ---script prepared and ready to go written by Zak Penn (Last Action Hero, X2, Suspect Zero). But then they selected Edward Norton who was such a 'super-fan' he convinced Feige he should make changes to improve the story. And within less than a month he delivers a draft.

The Truth Behind Edward Norton’s Hulk Screenplay

The rest is history.

Man, in thinking this over Zak Penn has really gotten screwed at times. To include when he wrote the --script for X-Men 3 and it went from Bryan Singer to Matthew Vaughn to Brett Ratner and what came out the other hand with all those hand-offs.

Edited April 6, 2021 by Bosco685

[kav]

40 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Edward Norton who was such a 'super-fan'

"Stupor-fan" more like.

[Gatsby77]

11 hours ago, Bosco685 said:

The Incredible Hulk: Feige already had a ---script prepared and ready to go written by Zak Penn (Last Action Hero, X2, Suspect Zero). But then they selected Edward Norton who was such a 'super-fan' he convinced Feige he should make changes to improve the story. And within less than a month he delivers a draft.

The Truth Behind Edward Norton’s Hulk Screenplay

The rest is history.

Wait - so people are now blaming The Incredible Hulk's box office mediocrity on Norton's rewrites? I call BS.

Yes - Norton's a diva and its well-known his behavior on that film got him not only recast as Banner but also largely blacklisted by Hollywood.

But everything I've read indicates Norton's -script changes actually *improved* the -script, adding actual character development at the expense of a few action scenes, and having it align more closely not only with the Bruce Jones "Return of the Monster" run that started with Incredible Hulk # 34 but also the thematic tone of the 70s TV show.

And I've yet to meet anyone who has seen both Hulk films who thinks Ang Lee's is the better one.

The bigger issue is it's *really* hard to make a Hulk solo film compelling.

[Gatsby77]

11 hours ago, kav said:

Perfect example-Last Action Hero.  The original script was fresh and punchy. 

Spot on.

I know a lot of folks here are still sore about the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, but if there's one solid screenwriting tip I know, it's:

Don't mess with Shane Black -script.

[Bosco685]

5 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

Wait - so people are now blaming The Incredible Hulk's box office mediocrity on Norton's rewrites? I call BS.

Yes - Norton's a diva and its well-known his behavior on that film got him not only recast as Banner but also largely blacklisted by Hollywood.

But everything I've read indicates Norton's --script changes actually *improved* the --script, adding actual character development at the expense of a few action scenes, and having it align more closely not only with the Bruce Jones "Return of the Monster" run that started with Incredible Hulk # 34 but also the thematic tone of the 70s TV show.

And I've yet to meet anyone who has seen both Hulk films who thinks Ang Lee's is the better one.

The bigger issue is it's *really* hard to make a Hulk solo film compelling.

And there is the keys to the kingdom with your assumptions - everything that you read and wanted to believe.

Yet it was Norton that cranked out a -script in a month as a draft and kept on editing it during production after Zak Penn had already provided a -script beforehand. The guy that also wrote Last Action Hero and other screenplays, along with the story later on used to guide Avengers (2012). So he may know something about an effective -script from professional experience as his job.

[Bosco685]

13 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said:

Spot on.

I know a lot of folks here are still sore about the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, but if there's one solid screenwriting tip I know, it's:

Don't mess with Shane Black --script.

There's a very good reason Feige ended up producing the 13-minute Marvel One-Shot 'All Hail The King' post-Iron Man 3.

And it certainly wasn't because Ben Kingsley, Sam Rockwell and Scott McNairy had an afternoon to kill some time so they thought to make this just for the heck of it.

Sometimes a Shane Black -script needs some adjusting