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[Zolnerowich]

On 12/23/2017 at 9:48 PM, N e r V said:

Someone who was very important to Comics and sadly gone early in life is now not given the due respect he deserves for his part in comics. Others came after him to occupy what he and others built first.

 

 

 

 

NerV — what a fabulous video clip with Phil Seuling! Thanks so much for sharing. 

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Bill Everett make over of Gene Fawcette.

 

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What Bill Everett’s Daredevil #1 cover should have been.

 

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LB Cole originals.

 

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[LearnedHand]

On 12/24/2017 at 12:48 AM, N e r V said:

Someone who was very important to Comics and sadly gone early in life is now not given the due respect he deserves for his part in comics. Others came after him to occupy what he and others built first.

 

 

 

 

 

Just saw this thread - wow, great stuff!

Curious - does anyone have more on Phil Seuling?  I ask because I've always wanted to learn more about him than just what's reprinted above from wikipedia and the little I have from fanzines from the period.  I had met him a few times in the late 1970s/very early 1980s.  I was in 5th or 6th grade at the time and the school teacher (and his girlfriend at the time) that got me into collecting Golden Age was friends with Phil and Carole, and he introduced us probably in 1977 or 1978 at the July 4th Seuling show.  I would run into Seuling on occasion thereafter and he would always take a few minutes to chat about comic books with me - probably because I was an oddity - this small and young kid that was very into what was then considered advanced collecting.  Anyway, he was a sort of enigma to me, as he seemed very sophisticated and important, with people constantly in need of his attention, but at the same time he was like a big kid.  Well, I lost touch with my teacher (he and his girlfriend moved away) and in parallel, the  July 4th Seuling show disappeared.  I heard a couple years later that he had died, which was disturbing as he was very young.  Anyway, was just curious to learn more about him, as he left a lasting impression.  Again, this is a great thread.  

 

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On 12/22/2017 at 7:00 PM, Tri-ColorBrian said:

Those 2 banned me from Collector's when I was 13...

You should have sneaked back in using the glasses with the rubber nose attached they used to sell in the classified comic ads. 

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5 minutes ago, Sqeggs said:

You should have sneaked back in using the glasses with the rubber nose attached they used to sell in the classified comic ads. 

I did!  but somehow they still recognized me...One time I even tried to sneak in wearing the kings new clothes...but that didn't work either...

[50YrsCollctngCmcs]

4 hours ago, LearnedHand said:

 

Just saw this thread - wow, great stuff!

Curious - does anyone have more on Phil Seuling?  I ask because I've always wanted to learn more about him than just what's reprinted above from wikipedia and the little I have from fanzines from the period.  I had met him a few times in the late 1970s/very early 1980s.  I was in 5th or 6th grade at the time and the school teacher (and his girlfriend at the time) that got me into collecting Golden Age was friends with Phil and Carole, and he introduced us probably in 1977 or 1978 at the July 4th Seuling show.  I would run into Seuling on occasion thereafter and he would always take a few minutes to chat about comic books with me - probably because I was an oddity - this small and young kid that was very into what was then considered advanced collecting.  Anyway, he was a sort of enigma to me, as he seemed very sophisticated and important, with people constantly in need of his attention, but at the same time he was like a big kid.  Well, I lost touch with my teacher (he and his girlfriend moved away) and in parallel, the  July 4th Seuling show disappeared.  I heard a couple years later that he had died, which was disturbing as he was very young.  Anyway, was just curious to learn more about him, as he left a lasting impression.  Again, this is a great thread.  

 

His July 4th show moved down to Philadelphia for a couple of years; 1977 or 1978 maybe. It ended back up in New York at least once in 1979 or 1980 as I recall going home from that show with a high school friend and running into some new college friends on the train. Oddly I remember Phil’s presence at the earlier New York shows but not the Philadelphia or later New York Show.

[LearnedHand]

12 hours ago, 40YrsCollctngCmcs said:

His July 4th show moved down to Philadelphia for a couple of years; 1977 or 1978 maybe. It ended back up in New York at least once in 1979 or 1980 as I recall going home from that show with a high school friend and running into some new college friends on the train. Oddly I remember Phil’s presence at the earlier New York shows but not the Philadelphia or later New York Show.

Not sure if this qualifies as a real contribution to this thread, but found this stuff yesterday.  I know I have older stuff (programs and show buttons - remember show buttons before badges?, etc.).  Will keep looking when I get a chance...  

[50YrsCollctngCmcs]

2 hours ago, LearnedHand said:

Not sure if this qualifies as a real contribution to this thread, but found this stuff yesterday.  I know I have older stuff (programs and show buttons - remember show buttons before badges?, etc.).  Will keep looking when I get a chance...  

We used to love to take the bus up to the Seuling monthly shows! I scored some great comics at those shows back in the mid seventies. Wish I'd had more cash then though!

[N e r V]

20 hours ago, LearnedHand said:

 

Just saw this thread - wow, great stuff!

Curious - does anyone have more on Phil Seuling?  I ask because I've always wanted to learn more about him than just what's reprinted above from wikipedia and the little I have from fanzines from the period.  I had met him a few times in the late 1970s/very early 1980s.  I was in 5th or 6th grade at the time and the school teacher (and his girlfriend at the time) that got me into collecting Golden Age was friends with Phil and Carole, and he introduced us probably in 1977 or 1978 at the July 4th Seuling show.  I would run into Seuling on occasion thereafter and he would always take a few minutes to chat about comic books with me - probably because I was an oddity - this small and young kid that was very into what was then considered advanced collecting.  Anyway, he was a sort of enigma to me, as he seemed very sophisticated and important, with people constantly in need of his attention, but at the same time he was like a big kid.  Well, I lost touch with my teacher (he and his girlfriend moved away) and in parallel, the  July 4th Seuling show disappeared.  I heard a couple years later that he had died, which was disturbing as he was very young.  Anyway, was just curious to learn more about him, as he left a lasting impression.  Again, this is a great thread.  

 

What else were you looking for about him?

He was the father of the direct sales concept, his conventions were important in the early fan movement of the 1960’s and 70’s and he was one of the early pioneers of comics living in the Silver and Bronze Age timeline.

 

The irony with him was he created the direct sales market and lost it in 1978 to the company that would eventually lead into Geppi  and Diamond over a lawsuit for being a monopoly which is exactly what Diamond eventually became themselves. 

Not that Seuling cared long since he would be dead in a few short years after that or that Diamond is a monopoly still today since physical comics are going the way of the VCR but you have to laugh at the strange paths history follows sometimes. 

[50YrsCollctngCmcs]

37 minutes ago, N e r V said:

What else were you looking for about him?

He was the father of the direct sales concept, his conventions were important in the early fan movement of the 1960’s and 70’s and he was one of the early pioneers of comics living in the Silver and Bronze Age timeline.

 

The irony with him was he created the direct sales market and lost it in 1978 to the company that would eventually lead into Geppi  and Diamond over a lawsuit for being a monopoly which is exactly what Diamond eventually became themselves. 

Not that Seuling cared long since he would be dead in a few short years after that or that Diamond is a monopoly still today since physical comics are going the way of the VCR but you have to laugh at the strange paths history follows sometimes. 

I think the reason Phil Seuling was able to get things moving in fandom was because of his outgoing gregarious nature. Now granted my memories are those of a shy suburban grammar school then high school kid; but when Phil was in the room you sure knew who was in charge. I vaguely recall sitting through one auction where he ran things and he was quite entertaining and fun. I'm sure being a teacher had a lot to do with his stage presence but he was the right guy at the right time!

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Look carefully and you’ll see Phil in here too.

 

 

 

Alan Light

Published on Jul 13, 2017

 

 

Sound Super 8MM film I shot of World Color Press Day, when the Spartan Printing Company plant opened its doors for tours, in 1977. The plant was 14 acres in size and printed comic books, magazines and much more. It employed a few thousand people. The plant closed in 1992. At one point you can see prominent comic book dealer and comicon host Phil Seuling talking in the school gymnasium. Phil died in 1984 at age 50.

 

 

 

[50YrsCollctngCmcs]

2 hours ago, N e r V said:

 

 

 

 

Look carefully and you’ll see Phil in here too.

 

 

 

Alan Light

Published on Jul 13, 2017

 

 

Sound Super 8MM film I shot of World Color Press Day, when the Spartan Printing Company plant opened its doors for tours, in 1977. The plant was 14 acres in size and printed comic books, magazines and much more. It employed a few thousand people. The plant closed in 1992. At one point you can see prominent comic book dealer and comicon host Phil Seuling talking in the school gymnasium. Phil died in 1984 at age 50.

 

 

 

 

Wow; really gives you a sense of what a commodity and throw away item comics were intended to be. I bet no one on that line printing any Bronze Age classics would have imagined these things having any value.

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5 hours ago, 40YrsCollctngCmcs said:

Wow; really gives you a sense of what a commodity and throw away item comics were intended to be. I bet no one on that line printing any Bronze Age classics would have imagined these things having any value.

Never mind the BA guys, just think about the guys who were printing out hundreds of thousands of copies of Action 1 and Detective 27.

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[50YrsCollctngCmcs]

11 hours ago, N e r V said:

 

This photo reminded me of how I first met Steve Geppi at one of Seuling’s Philadelphia shows. He didn’t set up at the New York shows so this was the first time I had seen him. He had a nice setup with his books under thick see through plastic. Theft had become more prevalent and few folks had wall displays in those days: so thick plastic over your stock on the fold out table was the theft proof solution.

in the morning he had a nice display of Golden Age; all out of my price range but I stopped by to admire them. I remember he was more talkative and friendly than most dealers and didn’t seem to mind a high school looky Loo like me hanging around gawking at books.

But my mind was blown in the afternoon when I swung back by the table and Mr. Geppi was putting some amazing new books on display includind a Detective 27! He explained to me that he had just purchased a local (original owner - no one called them that then) collection from a gentleman who walked into the show. It really made my day to see those great books that had never even been bagged hitting the table!