Miracleman 5 5

[EwanUK]

As for CGC taking note -- I submitted it directly into an employee's hands at a convention here in Austin, and pointed out the 2D interior and had it noted on the paperwork. And they missed it; when I got it back the first time, there was nothing noted on the label. Complained, sent it back, and then they got it right.

 

good grief - they're so professional

[EwanUK]

I have the top UK CGC copy (9.6); I might even sell it at the right price . Note that Dez Skinn has even run out of UK copies now (and he did have a big stash of them at one time) so maybe getting harder to get hold of.

 

cool - can we see a scan please?

is it noted?

[Neeidea]

I have the top UK CGC copy (9.6); I might even sell it at the right price . Note that Dez Skinn has even run out of UK copies now (and he did have a big stash of them at one time) so maybe getting harder to get hold of.

 

cool - can we see a scan please?

is it noted?

 

Well there is a story there, CGC missed it (even after being told twice) but I spotted it after grading and got them to correct it (not sure if they had already encapsulated at that point) before shipping so I do have the "U.K. Edition" noted on the left of the label. I might sell it as I have a few #1's now (including a CGC s/s signed by Garry Leach with a Blue certificate so also signed by Cat and Dean!).

 

Edited March 29, 2013 by Neeidea

[mschmidt]

Reads more... hey this is actually a great site

but...

 

The print runs on Miracleman started at just over 20,000 for issue #1 but, by issue #11, that had halved. Miracleman #15 is the most famous of the issues featuring the death of Kid Miracleman but also rare due to a low print run of just over 7,000. Issue #21 is rarer still with a print run under 7,000 but the rarest of all is #24 with a print run of only 6,400.

 

This is inaccurate. These widely misunderstood numbers come from the CBG guide and were pre-order numbers for a distributer (if I recall)

 

Miracleman no.1 had a confimed print run of 135,000

 

what is a lot more scarce than is generaly appreciated is the British version of no.1 (different back cover, indicia and advert). This wasn't distributed in America.

 

Yeah, those numbers are waayyy off - #15 had a print run of around 35,000 copies ...

[Neeidea]

Where did you get 35,000 from, also does that figure include sales outside North America?

 

I assume Miracleman was just a direct edition (although Newstand was still pretty popular back in the 80's all the covers seem the same so I guess it was just for comics shops).

Edited March 29, 2013 by Neeidea

[mschmidt]

It's an extrapolation based on the confirmed print run of #1 and the corresponding capcity orders from CBG.

[Neeidea]

Ah ok thanks.

[woregul]

Hey George

 

There's a highest and only graded copy of the blue foil edition which is also a 9.0 so maybe the seller got confused with that one.

 

Would love to know where the other 98 2D's are

 

 

Hey Sam I hope you are doing well.

[woregul]

Hmm. I got a free Dez-signed Miracleman 1 from Dez a while back when ordering some Warriors. I wonder if that is the UK version? It was not anywhere near 9.8, but still I may have a UK copy. I will have to look for that in my unorganized collection...

[Neeidea]

So print run something like:

 

#01 - 135,000

#02 - 86,000

#03 - 91,000

#04 - 76,000

#05 - 86,000

#06 - 70,000

#07 - 61,000

#08 - 59,000

#09 - 63,000

#10 - 53,000

#11 - 45,000

#12 - 47,000

#13 - 42,000

#14 - 41,000

#15 - 35,000

#16 - 40,000

#17 - 38,000

#18 - 40,000

#19 - 39,000

#20 - 35,000

#21 - 34,000

#22 - 35,000

#23 - 36,000

#24 - 32,000

 

[Ryan.]

So print run something like:

 

#01 - 135,000

#02 - 86,000

#03 - 91,000

#04 - 76,000

#05 - 86,000

#06 - 70,000

#07 - 61,000

#08 - 59,000

#09 - 63,000

#10 - 53,000

#11 - 45,000

#12 - 47,000

#13 - 42,000

#14 - 41,000

#15 - 35,000

#16 - 40,000

#17 - 38,000

#18 - 40,000

#19 - 39,000

#20 - 35,000

#21 - 34,000

#22 - 35,000

#23 - 36,000

#24 - 32,000

 

Well my world is now turned upside-down. I thought the print runs were way lower.

[seanfingh]

So print run something like:

 

#01 - 135,000

#02 - 86,000

#03 - 91,000

#04 - 76,000

#05 - 86,000

#06 - 70,000

#07 - 61,000

#08 - 59,000

#09 - 63,000

#10 - 53,000

#11 - 45,000

#12 - 47,000

#13 - 42,000

#14 - 41,000

#15 - 35,000

#16 - 40,000

#17 - 38,000

#18 - 40,000

#19 - 39,000

#20 - 35,000

#21 - 34,000

#22 - 35,000

#23 - 36,000

#24 - 32,000

 

Well my world is now turned upside-down. I thought the print runs were way lower.

 

Those are tiny for the time.

[Ryan.]

So print run something like:

 

#01 - 135,000

#02 - 86,000

#03 - 91,000

#04 - 76,000

#05 - 86,000

#06 - 70,000

#07 - 61,000

#08 - 59,000

#09 - 63,000

#10 - 53,000

#11 - 45,000

#12 - 47,000

#13 - 42,000

#14 - 41,000

#15 - 35,000

#16 - 40,000

#17 - 38,000

#18 - 40,000

#19 - 39,000

#20 - 35,000

#21 - 34,000

#22 - 35,000

#23 - 36,000

#24 - 32,000

 

Well my world is now turned upside-down. I thought the print runs were way lower.

 

Those are tiny for the time.

 

I had always taken the 5000-7000 numbers as scripture. The runs are evidently 6x what I thought they were. It's like, relative, man.

[seanfingh]

So print run something like:

 

#01 - 135,000

#02 - 86,000

#03 - 91,000

#04 - 76,000

#05 - 86,000

#06 - 70,000

#07 - 61,000

#08 - 59,000

#09 - 63,000

#10 - 53,000

#11 - 45,000

#12 - 47,000

#13 - 42,000

#14 - 41,000

#15 - 35,000

#16 - 40,000

#17 - 38,000

#18 - 40,000

#19 - 39,000

#20 - 35,000

#21 - 34,000

#22 - 35,000

#23 - 36,000

#24 - 32,000

 

Well my world is now turned upside-down. I thought the print runs were way lower.

 

Those are tiny for the time.

 

I had always taken the 5000-7000 numbers as scripture. The runs are evidently 6x what I thought they were. It's like, relative, man.

 

I understand. I think there were more than 5000-7000 copies of 1-5 at every con I set up for in the eighties.

[EwanUK]

So print run something like:

 

#01 - 135,000

#02 - 86,000

#03 - 91,000

#04 - 76,000

#05 - 86,000

#06 - 70,000

#07 - 61,000

#08 - 59,000

#09 - 63,000

#10 - 53,000

#11 - 45,000

#12 - 47,000

#13 - 42,000

#14 - 41,000

#15 - 35,000

#16 - 40,000

#17 - 38,000

#18 - 40,000

#19 - 39,000

#20 - 35,000

#21 - 34,000

#22 - 35,000

#23 - 36,000

#24 - 32,000

 

Well my world is now turned upside-down. I thought the print runs were way lower.

 

Those are tiny for the time.

 

I had always taken the 5000-7000 numbers as scripture. The runs are evidently 6x what I thought they were. It's like, relative, man.

 

I understand. I think there were more than 5000-7000 copies of 1-5 at every con I set up for in the eighties.

 

 

The 135,000 figure for no.1 comes from Dez who was co-publisher: "The 135,000 print run for Miracleman #1 has left the US about 20% short of actual orders"

So it was also vastly over-ordered. While I was only 13 at the time I remember the launch of the book being super-hyped and hot.

 

No.2 had a 70,000 print run.

 

In comparison, Garry Leach has said Warrior no.1 had a launch print run of 44,000 - of which 34,000 were for the UK market, and 10,000 for US.

 

The final issues - No.24 to No.26 just 15,000.

So much rarer than MM no.15 or no.24

 

Warrior sets do very well, and are getting better. My sub-set went for an astonishing £360 earlier this year.

 

[seanfingh]

 

MM was one of the main reasons I started asking to get driven to the LCS. Before that, everything I got was on the spinner rack and I would get back issues from the LCS. But MM was an ongoing that i wanted to get every month. I think #4 was the last one I got that way.

[EwanUK]

I have the top UK CGC copy (9.6); I might even sell it at the right price . Note that Dez Skinn has even run out of UK copies now (and he did have a big stash of them at one time) so maybe getting harder to get hold of.

 

cool - can we see a scan please?

is it noted?

 

Well there is a story there, CGC missed it (even after being told twice) but I spotted it after grading and got them to correct it (not sure if they had already encapsulated at that point) before shipping so I do have the "U.K. Edition" noted on the left of the label. I might sell it as I have a few #1's now (including a CGC s/s signed by Garry Leach with a Blue certificate so also signed by Cat and Dean!).

 

 

lovely copy. Probably nicest we will see.

 

I now only have no.1 and no.23 in graded copies. My no.1 is a 9.8 double-cover

 

The UK edition has a striking yellow rear cover.

 

Was it distributed in British newsgaents? That's a really good question.

 

Certainly no.s 2 to 24 weren't.

 

 

[Bronty]

great book, but that's just way too much of an asking price IMO

[Bronty]

^ referring to the 2d book.

[John R]

I think Chipmaker's CGC 9.0 is actually 23/100 so is the other CGC 9.0.

 

AAAHHHAAA!

 

Ok, got it

 

So the Stoltz one is no.7

Chip's no.23

 

makes sense

 

So back to 6

 

or is it 7?

 

Funny how to come to the market after all this time and are both 9.0s ?

 

I think the rumor that MM may soon be appearing in Marvel pages has played into why it has come to market now?