Bosco685 Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted December 29, 2023 Share Posted December 29, 2023 common sense dictates that A2 might fall short of A1 by a skosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw-Man Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 well, grandsons' duty will have me there tomorrow. i'll report thereafter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 That was fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) down >75% second weekend in China, will end with >80% less than Aquaman ($292M) in the Middle Kingdom; that's a chilly reception, man Edited December 30, 2023 by paperheart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 Quote Per Deadline, the Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom box office has added an additional $80.1 million in 73 international markets, nearly tripling its domestic opening weekend and claiming the No. 1 spot worldwide. Those markets include China, where it had the biggest opening for a 2023 superhero movie. Its 3-day global opening weekend total is now a much more substantial $107.7 million, though it hasn't yet earned back its production budget of more than $200 million. The Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom release comes during a time when big-budget superhero movies are generally experiencing diminishing returns. This has especially been the case for the DC franchise, which is transitioning into the soft reboot known as the DC Universe, but it has held true for the rival Marvel Cinematic Universe as well. However, Aquaman's international results are tracking well ahead of certain recent flops in both franchises. Check out how far ahead of select previous superhero movies the movie is in like-for-like markets below, per Deadline: Despite negative reviews and the possible Aquaman 3 being cast into doubt, Aquaman 2 is tracking considerably ahead of The Marvels, which posted the MCU's worst-ever opening weekend this November. It has still fallen behind the MCU's other two titles from 2023, however. Those are Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, which had a global opening of $282.1 million, and Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, which had $225 million. It could nevertheless pull ahead of Ant-Man, which had the worst week 2 drop of the entire franchise before The Marvels broke its record later in the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Huh. That's a weird spin on "Won't hit $150 million domestic." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, which had $225 million. It could nevertheless pull ahead of Ant-Man, which had the worst week 2 drop of the entire franchise before The Marvels broke its record later in the year. after New Year's Day it will be 60% behind Aquaman over the same time frame, no math on earth can get this anywhere near $225M US #mathishard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 Article about international far exceeding domestic box office: Captain Obvious 1: Domestic is doing horrible Captain Obvious 2: Haa Haa domestic is going to be more horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 How to Lie With Statistics, an example. Pretend the calendar doesn't exist. Publish international results for a film released during Christmas / New Year's week - and compare those seemingly robust weekday results to those of films that were released outside the holiday season, and then brag about how the former film is outpacing the others. Put another way, basically no chance the international take for this ultimately matches Black Adam's $225 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 On 12/31/2023 at 6:40 AM, Gatsby77 said: How to Lie With Statistics, an example. Pretend the calendar doesn't exist. Publish international results for a film released during Christmas / New Year's week - and compare those seemingly robust weekday results to those of films that were released outside the holiday season, and then brag about how the former film is outpacing the others. Put another way, basically no chance the international take for this ultimately matches Black Adam's $225 million. the vast majority of these box office 'gurus' are cheerleaders not reporters. the deadline guy may be the worst. he's trumpeting X-Mas week being above last year ignoring that US BO in December will be below December 2000 when average ticket prices were 60% lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 On 12/27/2023 at 5:26 PM, Bosco685 said: Having actually watched this movie, I can see this riding between 6.0 to 7.0 on average. Which is where a large portion of the IMDb users are falling with this one. IMDb user ratings are still in the mode range of 6.0 to 7.0, though the overall mean is still riding 6.0/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) Edited December 31, 2023 by Bosco685 Had to update to include The Marvels domestic bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 Since some of these metrics matter to some (though excluded them when it fits their needs)... Two previous billion dollar (+) solo films with lagging sequels. Should be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw-Man Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 must say i kinda liked it. prefer it to the first one. imo better than black adam, flash and the marvels. ADAMANTIUM, Larryw7, WolverineX and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryw7 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I think people are comparing the two franchises and their reception, but there's something I feel like saying Aquaman is the lame duck last movie in a series that lost a lot of appeal when Gunn came along and said "That's all, Folks!" On the other hand,The Marvels was marketed as the beginning of a new direction for Marvel and the resurgence of Brie Marvel as the new leader of the avengers. We'll see who "wins". Will Marvel bounce back and make another slate of first rate films? Will Gunn bring fresh life to DC? Only time will tell. The humble Watcher lurking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) This Variety piece is worth reading. It goes to what I wrote above, about Aquaman's failure not being specific to the film (or Warner Bros.) itself, but rather superhero fatigue more generally. Although this author's point can be summarized as "Bring back the A-list characters," he does a good job of reviewing the evolution and cultural impact of comic book TV shows and movies from the 1960s (Batman TV show) to present. https://variety.com/2023/film/columns/fall-of-comic-book-movie-culture-inevitable-superman-batman-deadpool-1235858728/ Edited January 1 by Gatsby77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Cool Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 1/1/2024 at 5:44 AM, Larryw7 said: I think people are comparing the two franchises and their reception, but there's something I feel like saying Aquaman is the lame duck last movie in a series that lost a lot of appeal when Gunn came along and said "That's all, Folks!" On the other hand,The Marvels was marketed as the beginning of a new direction for Marvel and the resurgence of Brie Marvel as the new leader of the avengers. We'll see who "wins". Will Marvel bounce back and make another slate of first rate films? Will Gunn bring fresh life to DC? Only time will tell. Only losers when you are talking about those two movies. The recent John Wicks numbers look fantastic compared to those two duds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 1/1/2024 at 6:10 AM, Gatsby77 said: This Variety piece is worth reading. It goes to what I wrote above, about Aquaman's failure not being specific to the film (or Warner Bros.) itself, but rather superhero fatigue more generally. Although this author's point can be summarized as "Bring back the A-list characters," he does a good job of reviewing the evolution and cultural impact of comic book TV shows and movies from the 1960s (Batman TV show) to present. https://variety.com/2023/film/columns/fall-of-comic-book-movie-culture-inevitable-superman-batman-deadpool-1235858728/ NYT had a similar piece yesterday. Paywall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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