speople Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Does grading depend on what mood a grader is in when they get a comic ? I count 7 ticks that break colour on the spine of this, plus that bottom left corner looks very iffy, but yet this book still got a 9.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I'm going to say, yes. There are objective standards they grade on, but everyone doing so is going to be subjective about how they interpret each flaw. Ever send books in to get pre-screened for 9.8, have them all get rejected, only then just mail them right back again to CGC and they all get approved and graded 9.8? MAGIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csaag Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I believe more than 1 grader looks at a book. Size & severity also come into play in addition to a count of defects. If you read enough posts you'll see various mentions to periods where it seems there's stricter grading or looser grading. Maybe that relates to staff turnover. Keys_Collector and The Lions Den 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Ghost Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I honestly think so. I have a Giant Size X-Men 7.5 that looks like a 6.5 on a good day. I'd give a 6 or 5.5 if it were me. It has multiple creases on the cover itself, folded overlap and a spine tear, yet 7.5 it is. I'm fine with it if it's a legit 7.5, but it drives me crazy thinking if I send it for a press clean and regrade it'll get LOWER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 4 hours ago, brentdevil said: I honestly think so. I have a Giant Size X-Men 7.5 that looks like a 6.5 on a good day. I'd give a 6 or 5.5 if it were me. It has multiple creases on the cover itself, folded overlap and a spine tear, yet 7.5 it is. I'm fine with it if it's a legit 7.5, but it drives me crazy thinking if I send it for a press clean and regrade it'll get LOWER. Or try selling it as graded. You'd almost expect the buyer to be emailing you immediately that it's not even close. And you know he's right, but now you find yourself defending the CGC grade. Or agreeing and taking a return, postage on you, probably, both ways. Over-grading is just as bad as under-grading. Both are bad, and that's why we pay to get a professional opinion. We just want it to be the correct grade so that we can proceed from there. I did see a seller on eBay, I think it was a Thor 337 involved, who was selling a 9.6 but stated immediately he didn't agree with the grade, so was pricing it $100 lower. Now that is some bold integrity. HuddyBee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Barrett Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 11 hours ago, csaag said: I believe more than 1 grader looks at a book. Size & severity also come into play in addition to a count of defects. If you read enough posts you'll see various mentions to periods where it seems there's stricter grading or looser grading. Maybe that relates to staff turnover. I completely agree. I’ve seen it both ways up and down. Over grading is just as bad as under grading. You’re happy when it comes back better than you thought but over saturation of a book in certain grades on the Census can also have an adverse effect on the value, not to mention that presentation comes into play, if you choose to sell it. I do know that in their Grading Department they do have a certain amount of staff turnover and often the right and loose Grading is a direct reflection of that. This is why the Overstreet Guide to Grading still remains my go too, for trying to pre grade books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 11 hours ago, csaag said: I believe more than 1 grader looks at a book. Size & severity also come into play in addition to a count of defects. If you read enough posts you'll see various mentions to periods where it seems there's stricter grading or looser grading. Maybe that relates to staff turnover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 8 hours ago, brentdevil said: I honestly think so. I have a Giant Size X-Men 7.5 that looks like a 6.5 on a good day. I'd give a 6 or 5.5 if it were me. It has multiple creases on the cover itself, folded overlap and a spine tear, yet 7.5 it is. I'm fine with it if it's a legit 7.5, but it drives me crazy thinking if I send it for a press clean and regrade it'll get LOWER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Lightning55 said: Or try selling it as graded. You'd almost expect the buyer to be emailing you immediately that it's not even close. And you know he's right, but now you find yourself defending the CGC grade. Or agreeing and taking a return, postage on you, probably, both ways. Over-grading is just as bad as under-grading. Both are bad, and that's why we pay to get a professional opinion. We just want it to be the correct grade so that we can proceed from there. I did see a seller on eBay, I think it was a Thor 337 involved, who was selling a 9.6 but stated immediately he didn't agree with the grade, so was pricing it $100 lower. Now that is some bold integrity. I agree...but it does make me wonder what the "correct" grade is for any given book..? HuddyBee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 15 hours ago, speople said: Does grading depend on what mood a grader is in when they get a comic ? I count 7 ticks that break colour on the spine of this, plus that bottom left corner looks very iffy, but yet this book still got a 9.2 Sometimes books are graded what they are due to the process of elimination. In other words, this book isn't nice enough for a 9.4, but it's nicer than a 9.0. And until the grading scale incorporates 9.1 and 9.3, this is what you're going to get... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myowncollector Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I think they are dead on 90 some percent of the time. Rest of time not off by much. Once in awhile might be a human error, wrong label, encapsulation mistake. I don't think they have a mood towards grading. They have a formula and follow it. My grading will not be inline with them all the time for sure, but only because we have a different formula. MatterEaterLad, The Lions Den and HuddyBee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Ghost Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Lightning55 said: Or try selling it as graded. You'd almost expect the buyer to be emailing you immediately that it's not even close. And you know he's right, but now you find yourself defending the CGC grade. Or agreeing and taking a return, postage on you, probably, both ways. Over-grading is just as bad as under-grading. Both are bad, and that's why we pay to get a professional opinion. We just want it to be the correct grade so that we can proceed from there. I did see a seller on eBay, I think it was a Thor 337 involved, who was selling a 9.6 but stated immediately he didn't agree with the grade, so was pricing it $100 lower. Now that is some bold integrity. I'm keeping the book so not an issue for me unless I decide to sell it and try for a higher grade. It just would be nice to know if it objectively stands at the grade it was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keys_Collector Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I've seen far worse and remember that there is a difference between how a book presents AND its actual technical grade. That books presents pretty nicely IMO and its not a 9.8 so can have some defects which is why it is a 9.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Graders are human, once the robots and computers take over all emotion will be removed from the equation, providing the software is written by another emotionless computer or robot and then all grading will be black and white. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlowUpTheMoon Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Did @thirdgreenham submit it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 All day every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 All I feel like saying is that Adventure 332 looks pretty damn sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PickleRick1216 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Has anyone had any luck getting more detailed grader's notes than what is disclosed on the submission tracking hyperlink? I am assuming they have an extremely detailed checklist that they fill out for each book and keep on file but I am a little discouraged when all I get back is "light foxing to cover, wear all corners cover breaks color." The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, PickleRick1216 said: Has anyone had any luck getting more detailed grader's notes than what is disclosed on the submission tracking hyperlink? I am assuming they have an extremely detailed checklist that they fill out for each book and keep on file but I am a little discouraged when all I get back is "light foxing to cover, wear all corners cover breaks color." Lol, they don't. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speople Posted June 24, 2020 Author Share Posted June 24, 2020 19 hours ago, William-James88 said: All I feel like saying is that Adventure 332 looks pretty damn sweet! I have a better one. Which considering that there are just 3 currently known copies graded higher, 2 9.4s and a 9.6, it might make mine an equal best copy (or best in grade) The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...